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WHY AERNT THERE FEMALE PROPHETS

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    Supernaut
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    Mary was told about a future event (345-47) and only messengers are told of future events (7227) so it's likely that Mary was a messenger. I think all the prophets were males simply because many past societies wouldn't have listened to women. I could be wrong though. Maybe there were female prophets that the great reading simply doesn't name.

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      women can't be messengers, they scream giving birth.

      Men would scream a lot more than women do if men gave birth. Women have a greater pain threshold than men. And so what if women scream when they give birth? What effect does that have on their ability to be prophets?

      And also there is a defect in their religion too so how can they guide others to straight path?

      That's Sunni/Shia garbage. There's no verse in the great reading that suggests women have "a defect in their religion".

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        Rami
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        Of course! Opposite of nisaa';. Nisaa', itself, is not always women
        Also meaning on foot.

        The context rules. Vers 1643 does not have a context to support either meaning.

        And if ye go in fear, then (pray) standing or riding. And when ye are again in safety, remember Allah, as He hath taught you that which (heretofore) ye knew not.

        And proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage. They will come unto thee on foot and riding; they will come from every deep ravine,

        Come on Samia, you know I am right! D

        Your feminist spirit can't tolerate it. But the prophethood is not a game and male and female have different responsibilities that complete each other.

        Heck, why am I a human. I want to be an angel. At least they get to fly. laugh

        Peace,

        Rami

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          MUNZIR_ALI
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          Peace,
          Respectfully.

          Maybe there were, maybe there weren't but would it make a difference? I mean people rarely listened to the prophets and messengers, regradless of the gender. Even today, people follow their desires rather then someone who is smart, male or female.

          Peace.

          THats because most people are narrow minded... peace

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            All this talk about "men are superior" or "if a woman would be a prophet she would not guide us on the right path", etc. is total rubbish. Women and men are equal.

            "Their Lord responded to them "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER/ALL AS EACH OTHER..." (3195)

            I am guessing there are more/only male prophets because in the past, women weren't respected as much and didnt have as much rights. For example, Prophet Muhammad gave women more right/equal rights because of the teachings of the Quran. If a woman would have done so in 7th century barbaric Arabia then she woul dmost probably get killed or something. In Europe or another place she would be declared a witch. I guess people were/are still more averse to women. A sad reality.

            Peace

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              Men would scream a lot more than women do if men gave birth. Women have a greater pain threshold than men. And so what if women scream when they give birth? What effect does that have on their ability to be prophets?

              That's Sunni/Shia garbage. There's no verse in the great reading that suggests women have "a defect in their religion".

              Supernaut - I was just going to reply to that one but you got to it first. ;D

              I would bet any man if he had to give birth would do the same!

              The "defect in religion" is referencing to the fact that women have periods, but that's not something women have control over anyway.

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                Cushan
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                I think all the prophets were males simply because many past societies wouldn't have listened to women. I could be wrong though. Maybe there were female prophets that the great reading simply doesn't name.

                That's the best assumption, I think. What unique benefit would sending a female messenger provide, after all.

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                  Aynur,

                  Men also have similar "defects", but Orthodox Muslims only pick on women because women are easier to pick on. How shameful.

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                    Supernaut
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                    Cushan,

                    I think a female messenger would be a really good thing now when everyone associates misogyny with religion.

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                      Profets are an example to follow by the propulations they are sent to. Who would need more to have an example of meekness males or females? Both need it. But if a woman Profet were to be an example of meekness it would be harder for males to assume meekness was required of them.

                      On the other hand Maryam was a Prophet, although some males-only persons may think the opposite, at any rate she was certainly more of Profet than nearly all males in the world.

                      Salaam

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                        Samia
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                        Your feminist spirit can't tolerate it.

                        Thanks for the compliment handshake

                        What's the role of the prophet anyway?

                        971

                        And the believers, men and women, are protecting one another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise.

                        More than this? Different from this?

                        and how about this

                        http//www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/middleeast/06dubai.html

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                          Men would scream a lot more than women do if men gave birth. Women have a greater pain threshold than men. And so what if women scream when they give birth? What effect does that have on their ability to be prophets?

                          That's Sunni/Shia garbage. There's no verse in the great reading that suggests women have "a defect in their religion".

                          I am glad that someone realise how nonsensical it would be to give any reason that prevent women to be messengers.. Infact there is no reason whatsoever, and what utter nonsense it would be to say men and women have different roles and bla bla.

                          What quran has told us is pretty clear

                          We sent not an apostle, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of God. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked God's forgiveness, and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found God indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.

                          We follow the messengers by God's permission and anyone who care about truth would listen to the messengers regardless of their gender/status. There is no such verse in quran that suggest God didn't send any female messenger. And after reading the link in Samia's above post there should be no doubts and lame excuses left in minds that could possibly prevent women being messengers.

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                            unknownuser
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                            Your feminist spirit can't tolerate it.

                            femi?nist /'fem{shwa}n{I}st/ noun a person who supports the belief that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men.

                            Any man who is not feminist is clearly a misogynist.

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                              Rami
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                              feminist /'fem{shwa}n{I}st/ noun a person who supports the belief that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men.

                              Any man who is not feminist is clearly a misogynist.

                              What do you mean by equal rights? They both have different roles in society like night and day. They complete each other.

                              Lets give an example, men can marry multiple women but women cannot. Here unequal rights for you. Why? Because they are different physiologically.

                              Wake up from the idiocy of feminism which is destoying the basic family unit.

                              It is like the moon saying I want the light of the sun and so the Earth burns as a result! I have clarified my signs to you that you may take heed.

                              Peace,

                              Rami

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                                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                What do you mean by equal rights? They both have different roles in society like night and day. They complete each other.

                                Lets give an example, men can marry multiple women but women cannot. Here unequal rights for you. Why? Because they are different physiologically.

                                Wake up from the idiocy of feminism which is destoying the basic family unit.

                                It is like the moon saying I want the light of the sun and so the Earth burns as a result! I have clarified my signs to you that you may take heed. P

                                Peace,

                                Rami

                                Is this what you teach at the "Jedi Quran + Torah school"? jedi confused
                                Women and men are clearly equal. Of course they MAY have different duties/roles, but this is also not always true in the west. The Quran definitely says that both men and women are equal.

                                Are you saying that they are not equal?

                                Peace

                                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                  Rami
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                                  Is this what you teach at the "Jedi Quran + Torah school"? jedi confused
                                  Women and men are clearly equal. Of course they MAY have different duties/roles, but this is also not always true in the west. The Quran definitely says that both men and women are equal.

                                  Are you saying that they are not equal?

                                  Peace

                                  They are equal in basic human rights. But masculinity gives and takes away some privileges and so does femininity.

                                  Happy? D

                                  Satisfaction of my customers is paramount.

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                                    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                    They are equal in basic human rights. But masculinity gives and takes away some privileges and so does femininity.

                                    Happy?

                                    Satisfaction of my customers is paramount.

                                    rotfl

                                    Dude...are you feeling OK, or should I send over a doctor? lol.

                                    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                      Rami
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                                      rotfl

                                      Dude...are you feeling OK, or should I send over a doctor? lol.

                                      I am a doctor. Don't worry. I will self-medicate. jedi

                                      In the Jedi school, we know all sort of shit.

                                      Join Now!

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                                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                        I am a doctor. Don't worry. I will self-medicate. jedi

                                        In the Jedi school, we know all sort of shit.

                                        Join Now!

                                        peace
                                        jedi

                                        maybe sometime later...

                                        .... ... rotfl

                                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                          Samia
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                                          They are equal in basic human rights.

                                          What do you mean by "basic human rights"? They have the right to eat, drink and not get killed for sports?

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