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Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34

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    Mazhar
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    How is the impact on the doer and not the object? 'Shun' is a transitive verb, so the impact must be on an object -- in this case the 'wives'. See this definition and note that it states 'transitive verb' next to the word http//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shun

    Please provide a reference or source for any claims you make, especially when they cannot be proven and are in-fact false statements.

    Link gives examples for the use of this transitive verb

    to avoid deliberately and especially habitually

    Examples of SHUN
    He shuns parties and social events.
    After his divorce he found himself being shunned by many of his former friends.

    The subject is holding himself back from maintaining association or linkage with others. As against it the conceptual meaning of the Arabic verb is opposite to it. You can use this verb in relation to Arabic word

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      Examples of SHUN
      He shuns parties and social events.
      After his divorce he found himself being shunned by many of his former friends.

      The subject is holding himself back from maintaining association or linkage with others.

      In those examples

      "He shuns parties and social events" = parties and social events are the 'objects' being shunned

      "After his divorce he found himself being shunned by many of his former friends." = The pronoun 'he' is the object being shunned in the past tense.

      In both cases the impact is on the object, just like a transitive verb always is. Why are you trying to twist it in the opposite direction with irrelevant claims like, 'The subject is holding himself back...' etc etc. The fact is that there is an object being impacted on, so 'shun' is not different to other transitive verbs.

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        In those examples

        "He shuns parties and social events" = parties and social events are the 'objects' being shunned

        "After his divorce he found himself being shunned by many of his former friends." = The pronoun 'he' is the object being shunned in the past tense.

        In both cases the impact is on the object, just like a transitive verb always is. Why are you trying to twist it in the opposite direction with irrelevant claims like, 'The subject is holding himself back...' etc etc. The fact is that there is an object being impacted on, so 'shun' is not different to other transitive verbs.

        "shun them"; them denotes 'your wives'; so you say 'shun your wives'; it means avoid your wives; this does not equate with Arabic verb of Ayah; it equates to Arabic verbal noun .

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          "shun them"; them denotes 'your wives'; so you say 'shun your wives'; it means avoid your wives; this does not equate with Arabic verb of Ayah; it equates to Arabic verbal noun .

          Can you explain how 'shun your wives' involves a verbal noun? 'Shun' is not a verbal noun, it is a transitive verb.

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            Can you explain how 'shun your wives' involves a verbal noun? 'Shun' is not a verbal noun, it is a transitive verb.

            Make verb from it like Izrebuhunna and it will mean "avoid them-shun your wives'.

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              Make verb from it like Izrebuhunna and it will mean "avoid them-shun your wives'.

              Earlier you said, 'it equates to Arabic verbal noun ', but now you say I need to 'Make verb from it like Izrebuhunna'.

              Isn't that a contradiction?

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                Earlier you said, 'it equates to Arabic verbal noun ', but now you say I need to 'Make verb from it like Izrebuhunna'.

                Isn't that a contradiction?

                Peace

                Oh God,

                I thought you know the basics of Arabic language system because of your recent attempt.

                Arabic verb is made from the Verbal Noun. Present tense verbs are made from the perfect verb and so on. Just load some software like verbace and put your mouce on , it wil tell you it means avoidance, shunning.

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                  Just load some software like verbace and put your mouce on , it wil tell you it means avoidance, shunning.

                  The words 'Shunning' and 'Avoidance' are verbal nouns. But the word 'Shun' is not a verbal noun. You brought up these terms, so you should know the difference.

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                    The words 'Shunning' and 'Avoidance' are verbal nouns. But the word 'Shun' is not a verbal noun. You brought up these terms, so you should know the difference.

                    Oh God,

                    Do you know the difference between a verbal noun and a verb? The verb gives the meanings of act and the state inherent in the verbal noun with addition of subject and the tense. First you have to know the meanings of the Verbal Noun, thereafter, you will understand the meanings and affect of verb.

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                      Do you know the difference between a verbal noun and a verb? The verb gives the meanings of act and the state inherent in the verbal noun with addition of subject and the tense. First you have to know the meanings of the Verbal Noun, thereafter, you will understand the meanings and affect of verb.

                      The basic meaning of a verb is based on the root word / letters, not on the verbal noun http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_verbs

                      You may have learnt Arabic in that order, starting from verbal nouns, but the root of a verb is not the verbal noun itself.

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                        The basic meaning of a verb is based on the root word / letters, not on the verbal noun http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_verbs

                        You may have learnt Arabic in that order, starting from verbal nouns, but the root of a verb is not the verbal noun itself.

                        You are again wrongly perceiving what is stated there in the link.

                        "The root communicates the basic meaning of the verb, e.g. k-t-b 'write'". It is not saying that verb is made from the Root. The Root is the Origin of all words in Arabic minus articles. Meanings of a verb necessarily contains the basic meanings of the Root. Verb has few more things in its meanings.

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