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Analysis of Joseph Schacht and the "living sunnah" and origins of Islamic Law

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    Meteora
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    That link so friggin much to read laugh

    I did notice he types "Koran" though. P

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      Bigmo
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      That link so friggin much to read laugh

      I did notice he types "Koran" though. P

      And hard to read also, but its very important to understand because if Shariah law and sunni jurisprudence is not derived from the Koran or Muhammad and was a letr innovation, where did it derive itself from? This is something Koranist should spend time on.

      AS far as Koran rather than Quran, I am not racist and I don't believe that non Muslims should write Islamic terms according to classic Arabic even when Muslims do not pronounce them as such. How many Muslims do you know pronounce Muhammad that way? Words should be spelled according to how they are pronounced and not how its in classic Arabic. Its like Muslims have a different standard for non Muslim. Before in English it used to be Moslems, then the Arabs and Muslim immigrants came and changed it to Muslims. It used to be Mohammad then they changed it to Muhammad even though most Arabs pronounce it as Mahammad. Soon they will require (pbuh) also.

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        MUNZIR_ALI
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        Who is a qadis?

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          The theories of Joseph Schacht regarding the provenance and development of
          Islamic jurisprudence have been as widely criticized as they have been deeply
          influential. Schacht's detractors have, for the most part, taken issue with his
          modern version of "intiqad al-rijal" (criticism of hadith transmitters), by means
          of which he claimed to turn the previously accepted chronology of early Islamic
          legal evolution?Allah-Muhammad-Companions-Followers of fiqh?on its
          head. However, neither critics nor supporters of Schacht are wont to inquire
          into a more fundamental question if prophetic exempla and scriptural dicta
          are, on Schacht's view, only secondary contributors to the formation of sharia,
          what then is the ultimate source of the "living tradition" and "popular practice"
          to which he assigns the primary role in that enterprise?

          Where do Joseph Schacht and the scholars who have embraced his
          thesis think Islamic jurisprudence and positive law came from, if
          not from Quran and hadith? What are the substitute historical
          processes with which Schacht attempts to fill in what Noel Coulson
          aptly refers to as the "void "which is assumed, or rather created by
          his own thesis? Schacht's supporters have largely side-stepped this
          issue, while his premiere critics?Sezgin, Juynboll, Azmi, Motzki,
          Abbott, Coulson, Hasan, F?ck?preoccupied with the controversy
          surrounding the antiquity and authenticity of hadith, rarely broach
          (and never delve into) this essential question, even though it may
          represent a far more effective line of attack than the strategies they
          generally employ.

          More importantly, what is this "local" or "customary practice" of
          the outlying regions which the (earliest) Umayyad qadis were forced
          to take into account, and which eventually (so Schacht would also
          have it) metamorphosed into the "living tradition" of the "ancient
          schools of law"? If it does not originate in the Quran or hadith,
          where did it come from?

          What, then, in Schacht's conception, is left to Islam? What legal
          elements may still be regarded as authentic historical products of
          Quranic prescription or exhortation, or as enacted or inspired by
          the exemplary conduct of the Prophet and his Companions, or at
          least as the outcome of the accumulated internal experience of the
          Islamic umma?

          This essay attempts to elicit a straightforward answer to that question
          from Schacht's elusive writings on the subject, and then puts that answer
          to the test with the help of two of the rare instances in which Schacht
          commits himself on this score regarding specific legal issues.

          http//deathandreligion.plamienok.sk/files/12-DEAD%20TRADITION.pdf

          http//www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/531762/posts

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            Bigmo
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            http//www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/531762/posts

            Thanks peace

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              Bigmo
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              Who is a qadis?

              judges

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                MUNZIR_ALI
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                judges

                Oh 'ghazee', I get it now...I got confused when it said qadi laugh

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                  Oh 'ghazee', I get it now...I got confused when it said qadi laugh

                  Ghazi & Qadi are two different names with different meanings.

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                    Ghazi & Qadi are two different names with different meanings.

                    I didn't know! )

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                      I didn't know! )

                      The qadis that Schacht is talking about are judges of some sort who pass legal judgements or are judicial figures in state affairs.

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