12:28 Schemes of women
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1228 When her husband saw the shirt torn from the back, he said, "This is the typical scheme of you women. Your scheming is formidable."
Scheming of women is formidable (م? &
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1222 When he reached his maturity, We gave him position and knowledge. It is thus that We reward the good doers.
1223 The woman, in whose house he was staying, attempted to seduce him away from himself. She closed the doors and said, "I have prepared myself for you." He said, "I seek refuge with God, He is my Lord, He made good my residence; the wicked do not succeed."
1224 She desired him and he desired her, had it not been that he saw His Lord's manifest evidence; thus We turned evil and lewdness away from him, as one of Our loyal servants.
1225 As they rushed towards the door, she tore his shirt from behind; and they found her noble husband at the door. She said, "What is the punishment of he who wanted to molest your family? Is it not that he be jailed or punished painfully?"
1226 He said, "She is the one who seduced me from myself," and a witness from her family gave testimony "If his shirt was torn from the front, then she is truthful, and he is the liar."
1227 "If his shirt is torn from behind, then she is lying, and he is truthful."
1228 So when he saw that his shirt was torn from behind, he said, "This is from your female scheming, your female scheming is indeed formidable!"
Reading in context always helps
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Its just elaziz's (Yusuf's boss) opinion. U cant force him to think another way )
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1222 When he reached his maturity, We gave him position and knowledge. It is thus that We reward the good doers.
1223 The woman, in whose house he was staying, attempted to seduce him away from himself. She closed the doors and said, "I have prepared myself for you." He said, "I seek refuge with God, He is my Lord, He made good my residence; the wicked do not succeed."
1224 She desired him and he desired her, had it not been that he saw His Lord's manifest evidence; thus We turned evil and lewdness away from him, as one of Our loyal servants.
1225 As they rushed towards the door, she tore his shirt from behind; and they found her noble husband at the door. She said, "What is the punishment of he who wanted to molest your family? Is it not that he be jailed or punished painfully?"
1226 He said, "She is the one who seduced me from myself," and a witness from her family gave testimony "If his shirt was torn from the front, then she is truthful, and he is the liar."
1227 "If his shirt is torn from behind, then she is lying, and he is truthful."
1228 So when he saw that his shirt was torn from behind, he said, "This is from your female scheming, your female scheming is indeed formidable!"
Reading in context always helps
That sounds a bit like my ex-wife ... no seriously, it is a wonderful example of truth.
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Its just elaziz's (Yusuf's boss) opinion.
and quran disapproves his opinion?
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Well, i didnt read the whole Book, but i dont remember some points like women are cruel tipe of beings and all that. Nah man, we got examples of women like Mary, pharaon's wife. I dont remember reproaches to them, but i remember reproach to Yunus (and he is man). Peace to prophets and all righteous men. Just my thougts.
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If anyone wished to study it
From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Kaf-Ya-Dal (Kaf-Alif-Dal) = To be about to, be just on the point of, be well nigh, intend, wish, practise an artful device, desire, contrive/plot/devise such a thing, worked or laboured at or upon anything, to do something clandestinely, to deceive/beguile/circumvent, means of evading/eluding, vomited, emitted fire, had menstrual flux, gave up his spirit.
kada vb. (1)
perf. act. 1276
impf. act. 125, 2157, 8615, 8616
impv. 7195, 1155, 7739
n.vb. 3120, 476, 7183, 818, 125, 1228, 1228, 1233, 1234, 1250, 1252, 2060, 2064, 2069, 2170, 2215, 3798, 4025, 4037, 5242, 5246, 6845, 7739, 8615, 8616, 1052
pcple. pass. 5242LL, V7, p 166, 167
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Yusuf Ali So when he saw his shirt,- that it was torn at the back,- (her husband) said "Behold! It is a snare of you women! truly, mighty is your snare!
Pickthal So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said Lo! this is of the guile of you women. Lo! the guile of you is very great.
Arberry When he saw his shirt was torn from behind he said, 'This is of your women's guile; surely your guile is great.
Shakir So when he saw his shirt rent from behind, he said Surely it is a guile of you women; surely your guile is great
Sarwar When the master saw that Joseph's shirt was torn from behind, he told his wife, "This is some of your womanly guile in which you are certainly skillful.
Khalifa When her husband saw that his garment was torn from the back, he said, "This is a woman's scheme. Indeed, your scheming is formidable.
Hilali/Khan So when he (her husband) saw his ((Yoosufs (Joseph)) shirt torn at the back; (her husband) said "Surely, it is a plot of you women! Certainly mighty is your plot!
H/K/Saheeh So when her husband saw his shirt torn from the back, he said, "Indeed, it is of the women's plan. Indeed, your plan is great.
Malik So when he (her husband) saw that Joseph's shirt was ripped from behind, he said to her "It is one of the tricks of you women! Your trick was mighty indeed!
QXP When her husband saw the shirt torn from the back, he said, "This is the typical scheme of you women. Your scheming is formidable." (His discriminatory comment shows his anger, and that women in that society were not viewed well).
Maulana Ali So when he saw his shirt rent behind, he said Surely it is a device of you women. Your device is indeed great!
Free Minds So when he saw that his shirt was torn from behind, he said "This is from your female scheming, your female scheming is indeed great!"
Qaribullah And when he saw his shirt torn at the back, he said 'This is one of your (women's) guiles. Your guile, (O woman), is great indeed!
George Sale And when her husband saw that his garment was torn behind, he said, this is a cunning contrivance of your sex; for surely your cunning is great.
JM Rodwell And when his lord saw his shirt torn behind, he said, "This is one of your devices! verily your devices are great!
Asad And when saw that his tunic was torn from behind, he said "Behold, this is of your guile, O womankind! Verily, awesome is your guile!
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Yusuf Ali So when he saw his shirt,- that it was torn at the back,- (her husband) said "Behold! It is a snare of you women! truly, mighty is your snare!
Pickthal So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said Lo! this is of the guile of you women. Lo! the guile of you is very great.
Arberry When he saw his shirt was torn from behind he said, 'This is of your women's guile; surely your guile is great.
Shakir So when he saw his shirt rent from behind, he said Surely it is a guile of you women; surely your guile is great
Sarwar When the master saw that Joseph's shirt was torn from behind, he told his wife, "This is some of your womanly guile in which you are certainly skillful.
Khalifa When her husband saw that his garment was torn from the back, he said, "This is a woman's scheme. Indeed, your scheming is formidable.
Hilali/Khan So when he (her husband) saw his ((Yoosufs (Joseph)) shirt torn at the back; (her husband) said "Surely, it is a plot of you women! Certainly mighty is your plot!
H/K/Saheeh So when her husband saw his shirt torn from the back, he said, "Indeed, it is of the women's plan. Indeed, your plan is great.
Malik So when he (her husband) saw that Joseph's shirt was ripped from behind, he said to her "It is one of the tricks of you women! Your trick was mighty indeed!
QXP When her husband saw the shirt torn from the back, he said, "This is the typical scheme of you women. Your scheming is formidable." (His discriminatory comment shows his anger, and that women in that society were not viewed well).
Maulana Ali So when he saw his shirt rent behind, he said Surely it is a device of you women. Your device is indeed great!
Free Minds So when he saw that his shirt was torn from behind, he said "This is from your female scheming, your female scheming is indeed great!"
Qaribullah And when he saw his shirt torn at the back, he said 'This is one of your (women's) guiles. Your guile, (O woman), is great indeed!
George Sale And when her husband saw that his garment was torn behind, he said, this is a cunning contrivance of your sex; for surely your cunning is great.
JM Rodwell And when his lord saw his shirt torn behind, he said, "This is one of your devices! verily your devices are great!
Asad And when saw that his tunic was torn from behind, he said "Behold, this is of your guile, O womankind! Verily, awesome is your guile!
It doesnt really matter which exact words you choose. Just read it in context and then you will see that it is not (just) sexist.
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1228 When her husband saw the shirt torn from the back, he said, "This is the typical scheme of you women. Your scheming is formidable."
Scheming of women is formidable ()? &
Why "formidable"? Do youmean it arouses fear or inspires admiration?
No translator chose this word.
They chose great, awesome or mightyGod's scheming is strong
7182
And those who deny Our revelations - step by step We lead them on from whence they know not.
7183I give them rein (for) lo! My scheme is strong.
o, what do you conclude?
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Why "formidable"? Do youmean it arouses fear or inspires admiration?
No translator chose this word.
They chose great, awesome or mightyRashad Khalifa, Shabbir Ahmed and perhaps some others used "formidable".
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I am not surprised.
I dont see where the problem with either translation is ("great or "formidable". They imply the same thing.
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I dont see where the problem with either translation is ("great or "formidable". They imply the same thing.
bravo
Which is to be used for "formidable" great or very, very great?
If I have to do back-translation, there's a completely different word in Arabic for "formidable". -
Why "formidable"? Do youmean it arouses fear or inspires admiration?
No translator chose this word.
They chose great, awesome or mightyGod's scheming is strong
7182
And those who deny Our revelations - step by step We lead them on from whence they know not.
7183I give them rein (for) lo! My scheme is strong.
o, what do you conclude?
whatever word you choose for , do you agree with the statement or you find it offensive?
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for?mi?da?ble
adjective-
difficult to deal with difficult to deal with or overcome
a formidable task -
awe-inspiring inspiring respect or wonder because of size, strength, or ability
a formidable display of skill -
frightening causing fear, dread, or alarm
The traditional pronunciation of formidable has the stress on the first syllable, but the alternative variant pronunciation, with the stress on the second syllable, is also heard.
Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.Aziz made that statment in a state of facing sudden frustrating embarrassment caused by the statement of his wife when he was accompanied by others, say colleague ministers, bureaucrats of his ministry. His statement was a generalised one since he used the plural. He perhaps tried to diffuse and lessen the tension or embarrassment. And may be he used sarcastically meaning skeleton, flimsy trick, not sustainable. Immediately after that he requested Yusaf alahissalam to ignore and overlook the accusation by his wife and asked to wife to seek forgiveness for her slandering.
Aziz was really a man. My respects to him. How many muslims of today who keep beating the theory of beating wife could resist in such a situation from beating the wife or even murdering her?
And my respects to the lady. She was a courageous lady, to openly admit and confess in the crowded court of king and affirm the truth of the Messenger of Allah, as a primary evidence. To testify against oneself needs courage and moral strength. Circumstantial evidence has its own value but it does leave the possibility for some to doubt in their minds. Her primary evidence removed all such chances of doubting the credentials of Yusaf alahissalam.
The message is that an adopted son is not a son. There is a possibility of jeopardizing the sanctity of relationship. Therefore Allah has decalred that the son is only that whom a woman has given birth or fed breast milk to him. The people of Egypt of that time were very intelligent. They got it that there is something in Yusaf alahissalm that disturbs the other sex. They thought that if the seasoned women of higher society could not resist the stimuli emanating from Yusaf alahissalam others would also get the same effect. The best solution came to their mind was that remove Yusal a.s. away from the eyes of woman for some time.
We know that there is something in certain woman which arouse negative feelings and so are certain men for a limited period of time that they have inexplainable attraction for women. This episode describes that rare phenomenon.
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