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    Mazhar
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    peace all,

    Brilliant news! The website is up and in trials.

    Here is the data that it brings up for the root kaf-ta-ba

    Bro Mazhar (and others?), is it possible you can look over it and check it?

    Yes brother Wakas.

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      Please personal message me your email address.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Please personal message me your email address.

        I have sent. My e.mail
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          Mazhar
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          Please personal message me your email address.

          Checked.
          All okay 319 all included.

          For a man like me, little conversant with Arabic, it may not matter, but those who know the nicities and delicacies may like that occurence of Kitab with alif be seperately mentioned since except two places it is with dagger alif.

          Similarly I think placing of tanwin with dhamma, two straight or one straight the other reverse side, also has some importance for pronunciation; and gives an idea to the reader how/context it would have been used. This should be taken a separate construction.

          Similarly replacing of dhamma of tanwin with meem reflects to the reader that its following word is with ba. Therefore perhaps this construction also needs to be given separately.

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            Mazhar
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            katabat (&#1618 verb
            3rd person singular feminine perfect verb
            (27919) ... have written ...

            Does this verb only reflect the act of writing? or also has built in information about what was written? say conjectural mythis, untrue stories, gossip; other than fact!!

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              WayFinder
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              Does this verb only reflect the act of writing? or also has built in information about what was written? say conjectural mythis, untrue stories, gossip; other than fact!!

              I think it is indeed WRITING as it appears in this verse due to the presence of the word AYDIIHIM(their hands).

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                Mazhar
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                I think it is indeed WRITING as it appears in this verse due to the presence of the word AYDIIHIM(their hands).

                But also take into consideration what is before.

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                  Mazhar,

                  I have sent you an email.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    Qaf-Ra-Alif

                    quri-a (&#1614 verb
                    3rd person singular masculine passive perfect verb
                    (72042) ... is recited ...
                    (84212) ... is recited ...

                    faqara-ahu (&#1765 verb
                    3rd person singular masculine perfect verb
                    (261991) ... And he (had) recited it ...

                    qarata (&#1614 verb
                    2nd person singular masculine perfect verb
                    (16982) ... you recite ...
                    (17452) ... you recite ...

                    qaranhu (&#1615 verb
                    1st person plural masculine perfect verb
                    (75182) ... We have recited it, ...

                    yaqrana (&#1614 verb
                    3rd person plural masculine imperfect verb
                    (109410) ... (have been) reading ...
                    (177111) ... will read ...

                    naqra-uhu (&#1765 verb
                    1st person plural masculine imperfect verb
                    (179318 ) ... we could read it." ...

                    litaqra-ahu (&#1765 verb
                    2nd person singular masculine imperfect verb, subjunctive mood
                    (171063) ... that you might recite it ...

                    iq'ra (&#1618 verb
                    2nd person singular masculine imperative verb
                    (17141) ... "Read ...
                    (9611) ... Read ...
                    (9631) ... Read, ...

                    fa-iq'ra (&#1759 verb
                    2nd person plural masculine imperative verb
                    (732026) ... so recite ...
                    (732049) ... So recite ...

                    iq'ra (&#1759 verb
                    2nd person plural masculine imperative verb
                    (69198 ) ... read ...

                    sanuq'ri-uka (&#1614 verb
                    1st person plural masculine (form IV) imperfect verb
                    (8761) ... We will make you recite ...

                    laqur'nun (&#1612 noun
                    nominative masculine indefinite noun
                    (56772) ... (is) surely, a Quran ...

                    qur'nun (&#1612 noun
                    nominative masculine indefinite noun
                    (85213) ... (is) a Quran ...

                    waqur'nun (&#1612 noun
                    nominative masculine indefinite noun
                    (366911) ... and a Quran ...

                    l-qur'nu (&#1615 noun
                    nominative masculine noun
                    (21856) ... the Quran, ...
                    (510117) ... the Quran is being revealed ...
                    (61914) ... Quran ...
                    (72043) ... the Quran, ...
                    (10374) ... the Quran, ...
                    (25327) ... the Quran ...
                    (43315) ... the Quran ...
                    (84214) ... the Quran, ...

                    biqur'nin (&#1613 noun
                    genitive masculine indefinite noun
                    (101512) ... a Quran ...

                    waqur'nin (&#1613 noun
                    genitive masculine indefinite noun
                    (1515) ... and Quran ...

                    qur'nin (&#1613 noun
                    genitive masculine indefinite noun
                    (10619) ... (the) Quran ...

                    wal-qur'ni (&#1616 noun
                    genitive masculine noun
                    (911123) ... and the Quran. ...
                    (3621) ... By the Quran ...
                    (3812) ... By the Quran ...
                    (5012) ... By the Quran, ...

                    bil-qur'ni (&#1616 noun
                    genitive masculine noun
                    (201147) ... with the Quran ...
                    (504510) ... with the Quran ...

                    l-qur'ni (&#1616 noun
                    genitive masculine noun
                    (17415) ... the Quran, ...
                    (174614) ... the Quran ...
                    (176019) ... the Quran. ...
                    (17823) ... the Quran ...
                    (178811) ... Quran, ...
                    (17896) ... Quran ...
                    (18545) ... the Quran ...
                    (2714) ... (of) the Quran ...
                    (30586) ... Quran ...
                    (34317) ... Quran ...
                    (39276) ... Quran ...
                    (41267) ... Quran, ...
                    (732030) ... the Quran. ...

                    waqur'nan (&#1575 noun
                    accusative masculine indefinite noun
                    (171061) ... And the Quran ...

                    qur'nan (&#1575 noun
                    accusative masculine indefinite noun
                    (1223) ... (as) a Quran in Arabic ...
                    (13313) ... any Quran, ...
                    (201133) ... (the) Quran ...
                    (39281) ... A Quran ...
                    (4134) ... a Quran ...
                    (41443) ... a Quran ...
                    (4274) ... a Quran ...
                    (4333) ... a Quran ...
                    (72112) ... a Quran ...

                    waqur'na (&#1614 noun
                    accusative masculine noun
                    (17788 ) ... and Quran ...

                    l-qur'na (&#1614 noun
                    accusative masculine noun
                    (4823) ... (on) the Quran? ...
                    (12310) ... the Quran, ...
                    (15913) ... the Quran ...
                    (16983) ... the Quran, ...
                    (1793) ... the Quran, ...
                    (17453) ... the Quran, ...
                    (2024) ... the Quran ...
                    (25308 ) ... the Quran ...
                    (2763) ... the Quran ...
                    (27763) ... Quran ...
                    (27923) ... the Quran." ...
                    (28855) ... the Quran ...
                    (46298 ) ... (to) the Quran. ...
                    (47243) ... (over) the Quran ...
                    (54173) ... the Quran ...
                    (54223) ... the Quran ...
                    (54323) ... the Quran ...
                    (54403) ... the Quran ...
                    (5522) ... the Quran. ...
                    (59214) ... Quran ...
                    (7345) ... the Quran ...
                    (76235) ... the Quran ...

                    qur'na (&#1614 noun
                    accusative masculine noun
                    (177811) ... the Quran ...

                    wal-qur'na (&#1614 noun
                    accusative masculine noun
                    (15876) ... and the Quran ...

                    waqur'nahu (&#1765 noun
                    accusative masculine noun
                    (75174) ... and its recitation. ...

                    qur'nahu (&#1765 noun
                    accusative masculine noun
                    (75184) ... its recitation. ...

                    qurin (&#1613 noun
                    genitive plural masculine indefinite noun
                    (22285) ... monthly periods. ...

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      Mazhar
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                      The total occurrences are counted here 88. It tallies with my data base. Again verified by cross checking the Ayat. Individual words, InshAllah I will check tomorrow;it is too late now, almost sehr here. This is helping me to earn surety of earlier work.

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                        Mazhar
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                        Data is accurate.

                        sanuq'ri-uka (&#1614 verb
                        1st person plural masculine (form IV) imperfect verb
                        (8761) ... We will make you recite ...

                        Pl give a second thought to the meanings given. "" also gives meaning of repetition, intermittanly keep happening a thing. "We will gradually/intermittantly keep reading to you". It may go with the information about the Qur'aan that it was revealed slowly and gradually, intermittantly.

                        qur'nan (&#1575 noun

                        At two places, 1202;4303 it is with dagger alif and at both two places one peculiarity is mentioned, its language.

                        litaqra-ahu (&#1765 verb
                        2nd person singular masculine imperfect verb, subjunctive mood
                        (171063) ... that you might recite it ...

                        Pl give a second thought to the translation. The purpose of division is narrated; "so that you read/recite it to...."

                        iq'ra (&#1759 verb
                        2nd person plural masculine imperative verb
                        (69198 ) ... read ...

                        "read" does not indicate the explanation given about the verb. "You people read".

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                          Root

                          Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aan
                          a) Total occurrences 88
                          b) No of constructions 24
                          The basic perception infolded in the Root is to collect together a thing at one place/point. It thus changes the scattered/separated/spread position of a thing into a collective whole. " " means that the she-camel became pregnant. What is pregnancy? Why she became pregnant? What act made her pregnant? The act of collecting together of the sperm and ova made her pregnant. "" plural http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/2.gif is for menstruation of a woman. What is menstruation and what physical relationship does it have with the basic perception of Root ? Menstruation is breaking of the spread lining of the uterus which gets colleted together as a whole and is discharged through the vagina. Arabic Roots in their perception in fact enfold all the physical realities relating both to matter and life.
                          The basic perception of the Root is compilation, the process of gathering together. When this process is carried out with regard to written material it produces and yields the end product http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/6.gif , a book; written reading material collected together and placed in one receptacle; it is the opposite of a shredded/scattered state.
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                          Those amongst them who do not believe/look for meeting with Us, responded "You come to us with some readable material/book other than this Qur'aan or you change/substitute this Qur'aan" Grand Qur'aan is saved in their chests and revered and equated with it. The request of the pagans was nothing more than this.]
                          And the Root is employed for the act of reading the written material since reading is in fact joining and collecting together the letters and signs of the language and simultaneously pronouncing it with sound or without sound. And even when we read/recite to someone without there being the written matter in front, we in fact are reading the written matter earlier stored/written in the memory though that writing is not ours but written by someone else exactly in the manner that the words written by us on the monitor screen with the help of key board are written in the hard disk by someone else.
                          However when we say to/command someone http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/11.gif we actually ask him to read from the written paper/book placed/before him;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.%20Kitab%20Kaaf%20Ta%20Ba/35.gif "You read your book/written record"

                          http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/073.%20Al%20Muzzammil/Temo%2001%2073.20f%20.gif
                          Therefore/hence you people read that much from the Qur'aan which is convenient
                          And The Book which was sent to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam has been given the specific name http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/Quran%20azeem.gif, "The Grand Written Book/The Grand Qur'aan". After this the major classification of books in the world is,http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/Quran%20azeem.gif all others are http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/ghair.gif of http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/4.gif

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                            WayFinder
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                            Thanks brother Mazhar...

                            May Allah bless you for your great informative posts...

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                              Mazhar
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                              Thanks brother, We owe thanks to Wakas.

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                                yaktuba (&#1614 verb
                                3rd person singular masculine imperfect verb, subjunctive mood
                                (228219) ... he writes ...

                                In word by word translation how can we also reflect the subjunctive mood of the verb since "he writes" perhaps does not convey the perception or complete perception of the word.

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