Alif; Laam and Meem with ancillary glyph/prolongation sign

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 074430 AM
Througout the thread you are in "abstract" frame of mind. I talk about ground facts but you do not mention the name of "this city" where a particular "bait" exists upon whom the claimant is Allah since He calls it "My house".
If that is not Mecca as you emphatically claim that it came into existence in 8th century then please name it.

You are the one who is stuck in an abstract frame of mind. Names are 100% abstract and have no relation to reality. Your name Mazhar means "appearance" in Arabic. Are you an "appearance"? Is this who you really are according to physical reality?

Similarly, there are many people named Mohamed, does this mean that they are the prophet? Anyone can name something this or that. This doesn't reflect the reality or truth.

You have to get beyond the superficial name and look at the reality of things. The location given in 2226 is the REALITY irrespective of what superficial untrue names people give to locations and things.

If someone in the 8th century CE named a town Al-Balad Al-Amin then does this make it the location? Is "al-balad al-amin" a name or a description?

My dear Ayman;

Watch your words; they show and expose the inner frame of mind and heart of a person.
See the first word of Grand Qur'aan, "great reading" as you call it. You call it "great" but do not accept it. The first information it gives is this "Beginning is with Name/Code"; and you think name is something abstract. Yes it is abstract when you innovate an imaginative/hypothetical name when the thing or person being referred through this innovate name is non existing.

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

Watch your words; they show and expose the inner frame of mind and heart of a person.
See the first word of Grand Qur'aan, "great reading" as you call it. You call it "great" but do not accept it. The first information it gives is this "Beginning is with Name/Code"; and you think name is something abstract. Yes it is abstract when you innovate an imaginative/hypothetical name when the thing or person being referred through this innovate name is non existing.

Tell me which hypothetical name I "innovated". It is you who is worshipping innovated hypothetical names. Just because some guy named a pagan stone cube Kaaba, it doesn't mean that it is the real base/"kaaba" talked about in the great reading. The great reading is only for those who use their god-given common sense. As for those who disregard their common sense because of some man-given names, nothing matters for them anyway. You see them here on this thread unable to understand the great reading or its clear words such as "kaaba" and "mecca" and are thus unable to translate them and instead provide lame excuses.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 085723 AM
Watch your words; they show and expose the inner frame of mind and heart of a person.
See the first word of Grand Qur'aan, "great reading" as you call it. You call it "great" but do not accept it. The first information it gives is this "Beginning is with Name/Code"; and you think name is something abstract. Yes it is abstract when you innovate an imaginative/hypothetical name when the thing or person being referred through this innovate name is non existing.

Tell me which hypothetical name I "innovated". It is you who is worshipping innovated hypothetical names. Just because some guy named a pagan stone cube Kaaba, it doesn't mean that it is the real base/"kaaba" talked about in the great reading. The great reading is only for those who use their god-given common sense. As for those who disregard their common sense because of some man-given names, nothing matters for them anyway. You see them here on this thread unable to understand the great reading or its clear words such as "kaaba" and "mecca" and are thus unable to translate them and instead provide lame excuses.

Peace,

Ayman

The great reading gives physical facts and realities which do not come into the focus of those who live in hypothetical world. See the ground realities

Please answer in physical terms where it exists?

And when you do not know " My House" obviously you cannot be amongst its those who sit around it. When you do not know the House and its location/city how can you claim that you worship the Lord of that house?

Meteora

So where the fluck is the hajj? Is it in Columbia Maryland?

TheJoker

The great reading gives physical facts and realities which do not come into the focus of those who live in hypothetical world. See the ground realities

Please answer in physical terms where it exists?

And when you do not know " My House" obviously you cannot be amongst its those who sit around it. When you do not know the House and its location/city how can you claim that you worship the Lord of that house?

They ayat you quoted fails the test. Tell me, does the kaaba allow AN-NAS/mankind to go there?

Al bayt is for mankind. They will come in flocks. The 'kaaba' in existence fails the test in every way.

Where is al hajj? Since, all of mankind will flock to it, we will just 'know' it. Note it can be taken metaphorically, 'mankind', i.e. people of all races are allowed, etc..

Are you telling me that when Al quran uses 'al kaaba' it means any place that calls itself 'al kaaba' on earth?

Mazhar

They ayat you quoted fails the test. Tell me, does the kaaba allow AN-NAS/mankind to go there?

Al bayt is for mankind. They will come in flocks. The 'kaaba' in existence fails the test in every way.

Where is al hajj? Since, all of mankind will flock to it, we will just 'know' it. Note it can be taken metaphorically, 'mankind', i.e. people of all races are allowed, etc..

Are you telling me that when Al quran uses 'al kaaba' it means any place that calls itself 'al kaaba' on earth?

Pl put some sense in the post to take it out of the category of joke.

unknownuser

Are you telling me that when Al quran uses 'al kaaba' it means any place that calls itself 'al kaaba' on earth?

you are kidding for sure, countless times we've been told the location of kaaba and bayt-allah in countless ahadith! ever heard of Bukhari PBUH? You know nothing about history of Islam and claim to understand quran? are you for real?

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

The great reading gives physical facts and realities which do not come into the focus of those who live in hypothetical world. See the ground realities

Please answer in physical terms where it exists?

And when you do not know " My House" obviously you cannot be amongst its those who sit around it. When you do not know the House and its location/city how can you claim that you worship the Lord of that house?

Why don't you translate the passages that you provided so that we can see if you understand them or not.

Peace,

Ayman

Meteora

...Where is the pilgrimage to?

Mazhar

The great reading gives physical facts and realities which do not come into the focus of those who live in hypothetical world. See the ground realities

Please answer in physical terms where it exists?

And when you do not know " My House" obviously you cannot be amongst its those who sit around it. When you do not know the House and its location/city how can you claim that you worship the Lord of that house?

Peace Mazhar,

Why don't you translate the passages that you provided so that we can see if you understand them or not.

Peace,

Ayman

To take people from hypothetical world to the world of realities see this also and name the locality.

And when Iebra'heim said "My Sustainer Lord, make this valley/locality a place of Peace , and feed its inhabitants with rich sustenance,

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

The great reading gives physical facts and realities which do not come into the focus of those who live in hypothetical world. See the ground realities

Please answer in physical terms where it exists?

You don't even understand a single word from the above. Any idiot can mindlessly copy and paste verses. If you undertand anything them please translate the above passages and I will show you where the location is. There is no point in giving the location if you don't even understand the basics.

And when you do not know " My House" obviously you cannot be amongst its those who sit around it. When you do not know the House and its location/city how can you claim that you worship the Lord of that house?
To take people from hypothetical world to the world of realities see this also and name the locality.

And when Iebra'heim said "My Sustainer Lord, make this valley/locality a place of Peace , and feed its inhabitants with rich sustenance,

Good so like you translated this passage, translate the above. In your translation you say "make this valley/locality a place of peace". Is Mecca a place of peace? How many people get trampled to death every year while they get pushed and shoved by people trying to kiss a Black Stone or stone three oblisks? Hundreds of people died in an armed rebellion in Mecca back in the seventies. In the eightees thousands of Iranian pilgrims were trapped and killed by security forces. Etc. Etc. Doesn't sound like a safe place.

Also, you say whoever enters it is safe. Did you or anyone you know ever entered it? Please don't lie.

Peace,

Ayman

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar,

You don't even understand a single word from the above. Any idiot can mindlessly copy and paste verses. If you undertand anything them please translate the above passages and I will show you where the location is. There is no point in giving the location if you don't even understand the basics.

Good so like you translated this passage, translate the above. In your translation you say "make this valley/locality a place of peace". Is Mecca a place of peace? How many people get trampled to death every year while they get pushed and shoved by people trying to kiss a Black Stone or stone three oblisks? Hundreds of people died in an armed rebellion in Mecca back in the seventies. In the eightees thousands of Iranian pilgrims were trapped and killed by security forces. Etc. Etc. Doesn't sound like a safe place.

Also, you say whoever enters it is safe. Did you or anyone you know ever entered it? Please don't lie.

Peace,

Ayman

I thought I was in duscussion with a literary person.

And when We appointed/declared/made "The House" the place of pilgrimage/return/assembly for people

and a place of safety/shelter/amnesty;

and for them to adopt the standing place of Iebra'heim as a standing/assembly place of sa'laat;

and We enjoined/imposed a pledge/duty upon Iebra'heim and Iesma'eile

that they should maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it, and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people.

Allah has appointed/declared the Sanctified House Al-Ka'abata enduringly a place of assembly/stay/congregation for the people.

If you find time you may find that it is not mindlessly copy and paste by an idiot, please see the translation by me here
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.01.A.htm

I would be happy if you point out mistakes or anyhypothetical assertions therein. Now can you tell me which one is "My House" and in which city it is located?

unknownuser

here is the most simple translation

And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah Saudi Arabia only, you can also google it to see the exact location) a place of resort for mankind and a place of safety.....
All?h has made the Ka'bah (the one in Makka Saudi Arabia only), the Sacred House, an asylum of security and Hajj and 'Umrah (pilgrimage) for mankind, ....

2226 And (remember) when We showed Ibr?him (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka'bah at Makkah in Saudi Arabia only) (saying) "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, , and sanctify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah in Saudi Arabia only) for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow (submit themselves with humility and obedience to All?h), and make prostration (in prayer, etc etc);"

Mazhar

2226 And (remember) when We showed Ibr?him (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka'bah at Makkah in Saudi Arabia only) (saying) "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, , and sanctify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah in Saudi Arabia only) for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow (submit themselves with humility and obedience to All?h), and make prostration (in prayer, etc etc);"

Brother perhaps you meant to say "circum gyration". My friend aymen is enough for circumambulating.

Meteora

Is Mecca a place of peace? How many people get trampled to death every year while they get pushed and shoved by people trying to kiss a Black Stone or stone three oblisks? Hundreds of people died in an armed rebellion in Mecca back in the seventies. In the eightees thousands of Iranian pilgrims were trapped and killed by security forces. Etc. Etc. Doesn't sound like a safe place.

I freakin' lol'd!!!!!!!!!!!

TheJoker

here is the most simple translation

And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah Saudi Arabia only, you can also google it to see the exact location) a place of resort for mankind and a place of safety.....
All?h has made the Ka'bah (the one in Makka Saudi Arabia only), the Sacred House, an asylum of security and Hajj and 'Umrah (pilgrimage) for mankind, ....

2226 And (remember) when We showed Ibr?him (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka'bah at Makkah in Saudi Arabia only) (saying) "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, , and sanctify My House (the Ka'bah at Makkah in Saudi Arabia only) for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow (submit themselves with humility and obedience to All?h), and make prostration (in prayer, etc etc);"

Ok, now I get it... Thanks RH D

ayman

Peace Mazhar,

Let me start with the second part first.

Allah has appointed/declared the Sanctified House Al-Ka'abata enduringly a place of assembly/stay/congregation for the people.

Since you didn't translate the word "al-ka'abat" then you clearly don't know its meaning and you think that it is the name of the specific physical stone cube in Mecca that was built by the Saudis in 1996.

Let's now further confirm using physical reality that you don't understand what the word "al-ka'abat" means.

The physical reality is that the pagan stone cube that you name Al-Ka'abata without even knowing what the word means is not for the people but only for certain people who have a certain religion stamped on their ID and who manage to get a visa to be allowed into Saudi Arabia.

I thought I was in duscussion with a literary person.

And when We appointed/declared/made "The House" the place of pilgrimage/return/assembly for people

The physical reality is that it is not for the people but only for the people that Saudis approve of.

and a place of safety/shelter/amnesty;

I already explained above that the PHYSICAL REALITY is that your Al-Ka'abata that you don't know what it means is not a place for safety. Since you couldn't respond to the facts about safety in Mecca that I presented above, then I will take this as you surrendering to the physical reality that your pagan house is not a place of safety.

and for them to adopt the standing place of Iebra'heim as a standing/assembly place of sa'laat;

According to you, "maqam Ibrahim" is the footprint idol next to your stone cube idol named Al-Ka'abata. So what you are saying is that we should take the footprint as a standing/assembly place of sa'laat. The physical reality is that you can only fit one person at a time standing in the footprint.

and We enjoined/imposed a pledge/duty upon Iebra'heim and Iesma'eile

that they should maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it, and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people.

The physical reality is that the house in Mecca is not clean and it is full of filthy idols. If you go over there, you will see people trample over old ladies so that they can touch and kiss those idols. This is the physical reality.

If you find time you may find that it is not mindlessly copy and paste by an idiot, please see the translation by me here
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.01.A.htm

It is good that you are now providing a translation which exposes your understanding (or your lack thereof). As we saw, you don't understand what the word "al-ka'abat" means and thus you will not be able to translate it no matter how hard you try.

I would be happy if you point out mistakes or anyhypothetical assertions therein.

As I pointed out, your understanding has nothing to do with reality and it is only in your imagination.

Now can you tell me which one is "My House" and in which city it is located?

As I said many times, the location is clearly given in 2226 as ANY place where partners are not setup with the god. This is what is special and enables us to identify the location of the house.

Peace,

Ayman

Meteora

As I said many times, the location is clearly given in 2226 as ANY place where partners are not setup with the god. This is what is special and enables us to identify the location of the house.

Peace,

Ayman

Then my thoughts were right.

And I'm starting to believe the ka'ba in Mecca is not something God likes at all.

....but....what about the Qibla? Does that exist? I guess it's not really aimed at the ka'ba (cube in Mecca) is it?

Mazhar