God-Alone
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Are things improving since the fall of communism there?
Peace,
Respectfully.I musts ay no. At least i don't see it. Ljubljana is not a multi culturan city and that is one oft he reaosns why i don't like it there. We don't have a msoque there at all not permission to build one, people still want to go back to their old ways and most of them have the mentality of the communism time and that is the main reaosn i don't wanna go back there.
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.I musts ay no. At least i don't see it. Ljubljana is not a multi culturan city and that is one oft he reaosns why i don't like it there. We don't have a msoque there at all not permission to build one, people still want to go back to their old ways and most of them have the mentality of the communism time and that is the main reaosn i don't wanna go back there.
Peace.
That is such a shame. The people there should be given a chance to improve themselves and their country.
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"Not all sunnis are bad" should actually be "not all people who claim to be sunni are true sunnis"
Because true sunni's are bad. If they truly live by the hadith (which is impossible since it contradicts itself even in one slight aspect) then they would be doing MANY things which makes it impossible for them not to be bad, i.e. stoning people or killing them because they left their satanic cultish sect.
Case in point, the sunnis that respect the above married spouses for who they are are not true sunni's. If they've heard that they "used to be sunni" and now are "God-alone, Quran alone" if they are true sunnis (shayateen) then they would kill them, like that.
And wow, this thread got two pages filled in like a day. Nice...
Sunnis generally believe that the authorities should decide that matter and not individuals and to be honest in the history of Sunni Islam persecuting people for apostasy was not very common.
However we must also realize that there is a takfiri element among many Quranist and I have seen in this forum some of that.
We must first define what is faith and what is disbelief from a Quranic standpoint and not based on personal conviction or reasoning. We must also identify what is shirk and who is a mushrik once again from the Quran. We must take our understanding from the Quran. We must be able to clear our own house from this poison called takfirism which divides people and instills on them hate and mistrust of each other. Nothing destroyed wahhabism than the culture of takfirism which led to various splits among them often leading to fighting and arguing with each other. This culture of takfirism is the most dangerous poison to any religious community. It destroys a religious community and causes disunity. It also has been talked about in the Quran. The Quran teaches unity among believers but how can there be unity among believers if each is accusing the other of disbelief?
Is this disbelief based on a person's faith in God or is it based on something else? Is this disbelief based on a Quranic evidence or is it based on disagrreements with each other's views which often are speculations and personal reasonings very rarely attributed to any Quranic evidence?
Once again the Quran should be the criteria.
Another problem is the arguments about apostasy is usually shaped by Sunnis as being a question of treason and not personal religious conviction. They try to shape apostasy from Islam as an act of treason to the state and community. Then we must define what is a state and what is a community and what consistutes treason and what does not. This is a good counter since Sunnis generally shape their argumenst to a Western audience who usually are the ones critising them and Sunnis simply envoke the "what about you" arguments on the West. Many Western countries have harsh laws against state treason(Walker Lindh etc). So we must derive a definition about what is treason and what is not as a way to counter Sunni arguments.
But my main fear is the culture of takfirism. Not long ago wahhabism was seen as a "progressive" movement especially in the 60s and 70s. Sufism was seen as regressive and filled with superstitions and not progressive. We all know what happened to that perception. But more than what they preach, takfirism has been the devil that surrounded the wahhabis from its earliest days and ended up destroying it in its later days. We must emphasize freedom as a way forward but more importantly we must root out the culture of takfirsm which will destroy the youth and spread discord and sectarianism among the activist and alienate the masses from the Quranist movement. Everything must be from the Quran and not based on personal conviction that is built on speculations.
Its also odd that people speak out against wahhabism and yet many beliefs people have about what constitutes shirk and what is not is not based on any Quranic evidence or understanding of pagan religions but is based on arguments very similar to the wahhabis themselves!
We have people who believe code 19 is shirk
We have people who believe making tawwaf arround the ka'ba is shirk.
Touching and kissing the black stone in the Ka'ba is shirk.
Placing "Muhammad is the messenger" signs in mosques or homes is shirk.
Believing that even the prophets can intercede for us is shirk.
Believing in the power of healing of the Quran or visiting sufi sheikhs is shirk.People here complain about Zakir Naik being banned from making lectures when he said many Sunnis practice shirk, but ironically they also believe in the same stuff this wahhabi preaches and see nothing wrong with what he preaches when it comes to shirk! They agree with what he says but refuse to accept hadiths because they see that as problematic. This is the same reason why many Quranist attack the previous scriptures because they see in them the same things they see in Sunni hadiths. The Quran however sees the previous scriptures very differently from how they see it. This is why many Sunnis do not take many Quranist seriously is they see them as post modernist who only question hadiths to escape some of its legal traditions which they see as primitive or too harsh based on their personal convictions. They see the Quranist as a product of Western and secular pressures on Muslim societies and an attempt by some to try to "fit" the Western mindset and modern lifestyle and escape criticism. Thats a very dangerous perception and this perception is very common not only among Muslims but also Western elites.
What Quranist should emphasize is the CONTRADICTIONS between the teachings of the Quran and Sunnism and how the Quran is self sufficient. But to do that we must adhere to the Quran in all matters and not just when it is convenient or when it agrees with our personal convictions. The Quran says many things we love can be harmful to us and many things we hate could be good for us.
If the Quran is your source of guidance then rely on it for all your religious convictions and religious arguments and let the Quran worry about the consequences.