Polygamy - To Mothers of Orphans Only
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Salaams Ace,
Of course i may be wrong, but this makes more of a sense.
See the quranic dictionary by OMAR. Ayama denotes unmarried men and women- single or widowed or divorced(p39)
The Ta is used to denote the feminine(p72)
004.001
O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.
004.002
To females without a support restore their property , nor substitute worthless things for good ones; and devour not their substance with your own. For this is indeed a great sin.
004.003
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal rightously with the females without a support, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one???
004.004
And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer.
004.005
To those weak of understanding Make not over your property, which Allah hath made a means of support for you, but feed and clothe them therewith, and speak to them words of kindness and justice.
004.006
Make trial of the females without a support until they reach to marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.
004.007
YUSUFALI From what is left by parents and those nearest related there is a share for men and a share for women, whether the property be small or large,-a determinate share.
004.008
YUSUFALI But if at the time of division other relatives, or orphans or poor, are present, feed them out of the (property), and speak to them words of kindness and justice.
004.009
Let those (disposing of an estate) have the same fear in their minds as they would have for their own if they had left a helpless family behind Let them fear Allah, and speak words of appropriate (comfort).
004.010
Those who unjustly eat up the property of women without a support, eat up a Fire into their own bodies They will soon be enduring a Blazing Fire!
004.011
Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance) to the male, a portion equal to that of two females if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.
004.012
In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.For Al-Ayama, used in 2432; it is a plural for men and for women whose partners have died- I think.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000175.pdf
2432
Marry those among you whose partners have died and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.God Bless.
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Polygamy existed long before the Quran so its not quite right to say the Quran legalized it or limited its usage. The Quran never said maximum four in fact it seems the Quran never comented regarding polygamy. The two, three and four is not neccesarily meaning upto 4 as the Quran tells us one angel visisted Mary but in another verse tells us more than one came. It never said only one angel came. Also the Quran says we should establish prayers t the two ends of the day and the approaches of the night, howevere many believe 5 is the amount of prayer per day. Also the Quran says recitating the Quran at dawn. However we do not consider that obligatory.
There is no reason to believe that the Quran changed anything regarding polygamy but it did focus on ethical issues regarding marriage and family life. Polygamy existed long before the Quran and the verse in the Quran was aimed at orphans and not polygamy. The Quran could be easily saying if you can not marry orphans or think you will not be fair with them than marry the usual marriages you do like one, two three or four wives.
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Polygamy existed long before the Quran so its not quite right to say the Quran legalized it or limited its usage. The Quran never said maximum four in fact it seems the Quran never comented regarding polygamy. The two, three and four is not neccesarily meaning upto 4 as the Quran tells us one angel visisted Mary but in another verse tells us more than one came. It never said only one angel came. Also the Quran says we should establish prayers t the two ends of the day and the approaches of the night, howevere many believe 5 is the amount of prayer per day. Also the Quran says recitating the Quran at dawn. However we do not consider that obligatory.
you are right, the way it is mentioned doesn't neccessarily mean it limits it to 4.
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Peace,
respectfully.If you look carefully, you'll notice that wahabis are marrying four women, not necessarily widows and they do it only to have more kids because they want to outnumber the other tribe - nonpagans, Christians, Jews, atheists, Muslims.
1692 And do not be like she who unraveled her knitting after it had become strong, by breaking your oaths as a means of deception between you. That a nation shall be more numerous than another nation, for God puts you to the test by it. And He will show you on the Day of Resurrection that which you were disputing in.
Peace.
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Polygamy existed long before the Quran so its not quite right to say the Quran legalized it or limited its usage.
Marrying two sisters also existed long before the quraan, so what's your point? If everything existed before the quraan is to stay, what's the point of the quraan?
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This
mathna wa thulaatha wa rubaa3...
Is not supposed to mean two at a time, three at a time, or four at a time?
The whole aya seems to point to a spot situation which the gurdians of the orphans may be going through in which they might be tempted to behave dishonourably. The address is to the community. It is not addressing a single person and not specifically a male.
I mut say that for years and years I have admitted without problem that polygamy was admissible for a good cause, and I still think it is admissible for a good cause, but the more I look at it, the less this aya looks to me as a permission for polygamy or even that it connotes or concerns polygamy at all. I do not think it has anything to do with it, either to allow it or disallow it. If polygamy is contemplated, it is not in this aya.
If we add to it the other primary meaning of "nisaa'" (the left behind) it is not even to be understood that those to be married must be women. It may be the disadvantaged ones in the wider sense, females or males, and nowhere it is explicited that the guardians are all males. Actually women were also guardians.
Salaam
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Marrying two sisters also existed long before the quraan, so what's your point? If everything existed before the quraan is to stay, what's the point of the quraan?
To confirm, 241 for example.
If we add to it the other primary meaning of "nisaa'" (the left behind) it is not even to be understood that those to be married must be women. It may be the disadvantaged ones in the wider sense, females or males, and nowhere it is explicited that the guardians are all males. Actually women were also guardians.
Salaam
Or leaders , like the Queen Saba in chapter 27.
As for polygamy itself, let's analyze 43, shall we
"And if you fear that you cannot be just to the orphans, then marry off those whom you see fit of the women by two's and three's and four's. But if you fear taAAdiloo/not be fair, then only one, or those who are your dependants. This is best that you do not face poverty." -43
How is taAAdiloo defined in 4129 ?
And you will not be able to be fair/taAAdiloo regarding the women even if you make every effort; so do not sway too greatly and leave her as one hanging in a void. And if you reconcile and do right, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
This is why cross-referencing is so vital. As, 43 in itself can be misleading.
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Marrying two sisters also existed long before the quraan, so what's your point? If everything existed before the quraan is to stay, what's the point of the quraan?
The point is, marry as long as they are not two sisters.
Is there a problem with what is allowed?
http//free-minds.org/quran/PM/4/23
Progressive Muslims 423 Forbidden for you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and the sisters of your father, and the sisters of your mother, and the daughters of your brother, and the daughters of your sister, and your foster mothers who suckled you, and your sisters from suckling, and the mothers of your women, and your step-daughters who are in your lodgings from your women with whom you have already consummated the marriage; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you; and those who were in wedlock with your sons who are from your seed, and that you join between two sisters except what has already been done. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Bigmo, can you kindly post the references on the verses you mention (regarding Mary).
"And mention in the Book, Maryam when she withdrew from her family to a place facing east. She placed a screen from them; then We sent to her our angel and he appeared before her in the form of a man in full human form. She said 'I seek refuge with The Most Beneficent from you, if you do fear Him.' (The angel) said 'I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.' She said 'How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?' He (the angel) said 'So (it will be), your Lord said 'That is easy for Me And to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (from God)', and it is a matter (already) decreed (by God).' " (Quran 1916-21)
Yet it also says
3.44. This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
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Behold! the angels said "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
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"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
So numbers are not as significant as they appear. By looking at the verses in chapter !( we would assume that one angel visited Mary and talked to her and gave her the news of a son. However we see there were also other angels involved. The Quran never said only one angel visited. So we should not asume by saying two, three or four, its stating no more than four. The Quran says we should not have other gods and we should not lie or cheat or steal or kill or act trecherous or be dishonest and treat our wives discrimintory or commit adultery or slander others and backbite and be miserly. It however never said we should not marry more than four.
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