Quran only?
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are you sunni?
I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhamad (based on sound hadiths) and I believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes I am.
Can I ask how do we obey the Prophet? The prophet did not leave us the hadith which you speak of. I am sure a portion of it is true
This is absolutely false,
I quote from a different website
"some 50 Companions and many followers are said to have possessed manuscripts (sahifah, Arabic plural suhuf), which was used as a term to designate compendia of Hadith that emerged during the century before the formation of the classical collections.
The original manuscripts have been lost, but a very few copies have survived. An example is the manuscript of Hammam ibn Munabbih, who learned from Abu Hurairah and from him he wrote his manuscript which contains 138 hadiths. This manuscript is believed to have been written down around the middle of the first century after the Hijrah
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Suppose among the hadith that is true, there is one that instructs you to do something that if you dont will cost you janna, being that you reject hadiths entirely, you reject the 'good' ones and cost your self janna.
As you know the Quran it self was memorized before it was written down, the first one being after the prophet's death, based on your logic you should also question the validity of the Quran.
Part of islam is faith, you have faith that Allah has protected his book and his deen and you see it manifested in your life.As your group likes to quote the hadith where the prophet commanded not to write down hadiths, (during the time that the quran was being revealed piece meal, he later allowed it and there is plenty of proof of this)
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I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhamad (based on sound hadiths) and I believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes I am..
What do you mean by 'sound hadiths' then?
Those that are stamped 'sahih' by Sunni Ulema or those which are stamped 'sahih' by Shiah Ulema? Or do you use other criteria?Salam / Peace
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I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhamad (based on sound hadiths) and I believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes I am
1746 We place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
1747 We are fully aware of what they are listening to when they are listening to you, and when they conspire secretly the wicked say, "You are but following a bewitched man!"
1748 See how they cite the examples for you. They have gone astray, and cannot come to the path.
456 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, which hadith, after God and His signs, do they acknowledge?
Do you believe that Muhammad preached the Quran and that the word of the Quran came out of his mouth? If so, why do you not obey him, and more importantly why do you disobey God?
2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
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1746 We place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
1747 We are fully aware of what they are listening to when they are listening to you, and when they conspire secretly the wicked say, "You are but following a bewitched man!"
1748 See how they cite the examples for you. They have gone astray, and cannot come to the path.
456 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, which hadith, after God and His signs, do they acknowledge?
Do you believe that Muhammad preached the Quran and that the word of the Quran came out of his mouth? If so, why do you not obey him, and more importantly why do you diobey God?
2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
Very well explained bravo bravo bravo
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1746 We place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
1747 We are fully aware of what they are listening to when they are listening to you, and when they conspire secretly the wicked say, "You are but following a bewitched man!"
1748 See how they cite the examples for you. They have gone astray, and cannot come to the path.
456 These are God's signs that We recite to you with truth. So, which hadith, after God and His signs, do they acknowledge?
Do you believe that Muhammad preached the Quran and that the word of the Quran came out of his mouth? If so, why do you not obey him, and more importantly why do you disobey God?
2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
The bod part is killer &
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1746 We place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
Do you believe that Muhammad preached the Quran and that the word of the Quran came out of his mouth? If so, why do you not obey him, and more importantly why do you disobey God?
2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
I believe that muhamad PBUH conveyed the Quran, explained it and in addition to guiding us through this short life of ours which is full of seen and unseen obstacles. you my friend have prevented your self of this vast knowledge and I believe there will be signs in your life.
no other reason that Allah commands us to folllow him and his prophet. Him=Quran his prophet=hadith -
I believe that muhamad PBUH conveyed the Quran, explained it and in addition to guiding us through this short life of ours which is full of seen and unseen obstacles. you my friend have prevented your self of this vast knowledge and I believe there will be signs in your life.
no other reason that Allah commands us to folllow him and his prophet. Him=Quran his prophet=hadithWhat are you talking about? That is some weird 'logic' you have.
91 This is an ultimatum from God and His messenger to those who set up partners with whom you had entered a treaty.
Edip-Layth - End Note 1 (91)
Those who abuse the Quranic statement "obey God and His messenger," to mean obeying the Quran and numerous books of hearsay, are convicted by this verse. By claiming that God is represented by the Quran, but the messenger is represented by hearsay collections produced centuries after Muhammad, they separate God and messenger from each other (4150). Verse 91 attributes the ultimatum issued in this chapter to "God and His messenger." Since, God did not author the Quran in consultation with Muhammad, the only reason why the messenger was mentioned after God, is that the messenger will deliver the ultimatum as it is, like a trustworthy mailman. Thus, we should use similar inferences when we see verses telling us to "obey God and His messenger." Those verses do not mean God and His messenger represent different authorities or sources, but simply mean, "Obey God by obeying the message brought to you through His messenger." In the Quran we do not see a single verse instructing us to "obey Muhammad" or "obey Moses;" the verses always refer to obeying the messenger, since messengers' sole mission is to deliver God's message without distorting, adding, or subtracting from it. The messenger, on the Day of Judgment (2530), will reject those who distort, add to, and subtract from God's message by hearsay. It is also noteworthy that the verb used for God and His messenger in 824 is in its singular form. Remind verse 6114 to the polytheists who wish to raise Muhammad from the position of messengership to the position of legislator next to God. Also, see 491.2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."
BTW, do you see any verse in the Quran telling us to follow Hadiths or where the messenger complains that people are deserting Hadiths?
6112 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and Jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
6113 That is so the hearts of those who do not acknowledge the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
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I hear you bro bravo handshake I got to say though I give selam to my right and left when I pray. Have I missed something or overlooked something.
Peace
HopePeace,
Respectfully.To whom or to what do you give selam when you turn right and left, if you don't mind my asking?
I don't want to be noisy but i'm just interested, because i didn't find this instruction in The Quran and since i obey the prophet - who followed The Quran - i believe that turning the ehad at the end of the prayer to right or left, is not compulsory, Not Quranic.Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.To whom or to what do you give selam when you turn right and left, if you don't mind my asking?
I don't want to be noisy but i'm just interested, because i didn't find this instruction in The Quran and since i obey the prophet - who followed The Quran - i believe that turning the ehad at the end of the prayer to right or left, is not compulsory, Not Quranic.Peace.
Peace Alen
I argee that it is not in the Quran. I have read in some place you are giving selam to the two angels which record your good/bad deeds. Also, some peple say its giving selam to people who pray left/right with you in a mosque. However, I pray most of the time on my own. I really dont have an answer why I do it but only reason is habit or how I was taught. As I read more and understand more I will, lets say possibly grow out of it yes
Peace and God bless
Hope
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Just found this in the books of Hadith about turning right and left when praying. Seems like they are a little confusing.
Translation of Sahih Muslim
Chapter 101 PERMISSIBILITY OF TURNING TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT IN PRAYER
Book 004, Number 1525
Abdullah reported None of you should give a share to Satan out of your self. He should not deem that it is necessary for him to turn but to the right only (after prayer). I saw the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) turning to the left.
Book 004, Number 1526
A hadith like this has been narrated by A'mash, with the same chain of transmitters.
Book 004, Number 1527
Suddi reported I asked Anas how I should turn-to the right or to the left-when I say my prayers. He said I have very often seen the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) turning to the right.
Book 004, Number 1528
Anas reported The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to turn to the right (at the end of the prayer).Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 8
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 394
Narrated 'Abdullah
The Prophet prayed (and the subnarrator Ibrahim said, "I do not know whether he prayed more or less than usual", and when he had finished the prayers he was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Has there been any change in the prayers?" He said, "What is it?' The people said, "You have prayed so much and so much." So the Prophet bent his legs, faced the Qibla and performed two prostrations (of Sahu) and finished his prayers with Tasiim (by turning his face to right and left saying 'As-Salamu'Alaikum-Warahmat-ullah'. When he turned his face to us he said, "If there had been anything changed in the prayer, surely I would have informed you but I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me and if anyone of you is doubtful about his prayer, he should follow what he thinks to be correct and complete his prayer accordingly and finish it and do two prostrations (of Sahu)." -
i'm sure there's gotta be something there to the whole 'obay the messenger' and not 'obey muhammad' thing... God picks words carefully, plus muhammad was apparently so just he didn't even wanna trick people and say that yes God told them it's 'obey muhammad', wouldn't that give him more power, authority... .but he said that He said 'obey the messenger'...
I believe that muhamad PBUH conveyed the Quran, explained it and in addition to guiding us through this short life of ours which is full of seen and unseen obstacles. you my friend have prevented your self of this vast knowledge and I believe there will be signs in your life.
no other reason that Allah commands us to folllow him and his prophet. Him=Quran his prophet=hadithexactly how does hadith explain quran, when most are contradiction to it, others are contradicting itself, yet others have nothing to do with anything. and the chain of narration is no more no less, what makes those narrators credible? where is their history written to prove they're just, fair, honest, sane...
when you look at all hadith followers from afar you see ones follow one narrations others follow others, disproving others... so which chain is right, hmm, they say we "queranists" can't find common griound on issues like salat, ramadan... as if following hadith is any different... who is more devided... and how does each group deal with their division? ...
no offense, but the only people i've seen depriving themselves of vast knowledge are ones who follow hadith, and ones who follow only quran i've seen are more open to knowledge.Can I ask how do we obey the Prophet? The prophet did not leave us the hadith which you speak of. I am sure a portion of it is true but thousands and thousands of hadith are not. Also what about the 1000's that was regarded. Also if the prophet wanted to produce another book (other than the Quran) would you not think he would have personally seen that it was done properly under his control. Also, why was the hadith collection done over 100 years after the death of the prophet. The hadith the prophet bought to us is the Holy Quran, which came out of the prophets mouth so obey the prophet who uttered the words of the Quran which was revealed to him by angel Gabrial by Gods command.
exactly,
lets think about that for a sec, all that time he was among people, 23 years of revelation time, and he did not find one minute to give a simple instruction to somebody to monitor him, to write down everything he does and says so that they may follow it after he's gone... in fact, even in hadith it does say he instructed them to not write anything from him except quran... yes i heard explanation for that hadith and what a fake/weak explanation it was...and not only that after his death his family members would think of compiling his sayings, actions, not even close friends, neighbours... not even the next generation, no, no, no, a guy had to come from persia or wherever and spend what, 16 years i heard, collecting + verfying all the things he heard about him, and only picked 1% of it all... yes that does make sense indeed.
apparently people who knew him best, if there is one thing they learned from him is sharing knowledge, and they didn't do it, they kept it unwritten, they kept it to themselves, apparently he did not tell them following his hadith or sunnah is of any importance, so they didn't write it down, if he had implied they should, they would, simple logic.
quran on the other hand, was compiled right away, and by him, yes, he could write. i won't believe that 'him being illiterate' story for one sec. -
i'm sure there's gotta be something there to the whole 'obay the messenger' and not 'obey muhammad' thing... God picks words carefully, plus muhammad was apparently so just he didn't even wanna trick people and say that yes God told them it's 'obey muhammad', wouldn't that give him more power, authority... .but he said that He said 'obey the messenger'...
exactly how does hadith explain quran, when most are contradiction to it, others are contradicting itself, yet others have nothing to do with anything. and the chain of narration is no more no less, what makes those narrators credible? where is their history written to prove they're just, fair, honest, sane...
when you look at all hadith followers from afar you see ones follow one narrations others follow others, disproving others... so which chain is right, hmm, they say we "queranists" can't find common griound on issues like salat, ramadan... as if following hadith is any different... who is more devided... and how does each group deal with their division? ...
no offense, but the only people i've seen depriving themselves of vast knowledge are ones who follow hadith, and ones who follow only quran i've seen are more open to knowledge.exactly,
lets think about that for a sec, all that time he was among people, 23 years of revelation time, and he did not find one minute to give a simple instruction to somebody to monitor him, to write down everything he does and says so that they may follow it after he's gone... in fact, even in hadith it does say he instructed them to not write anything from him except quran... yes i heard explanation for that hadith and what a fake/weak explanation it was...and not only that after his death his family members would think of compiling his sayings, actions, not even close friends, neighbours... not even the next generation, no, no, no, a guy had to come from persia or wherever and spend what, 16 years i heard, collecting + verfying all the things he heard about him, and only picked 1% of it all... yes that does make sense indeed.
apparently people who knew him best, if there is one thing they learned from him is sharing knowledge, and they didn't do it, they kept it unwritten, they kept it to themselves, apparently he did not tell them following his hadith or sunnah is of any importance, so they didn't write it down, if he had implied they should, they would, simple logic.
quran on the other hand, was compiled right away, and by him, yes, he could write. i won't believe that 'him being illiterate' story for one sec.Excellent !!! sun
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Do you want me to smack you?! voodoo elektro
yes! But can you? laugh
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I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhamad (based on sound hadiths) and I believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes I am.
How do you know that the hadith is authentic? handshake
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Salam..
I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhamad (based on sound hadiths) and I believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes I am.
I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhammad (which tell us to uphold Al-Qur'an) and i believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes i am.
in reality, the majority of Sunni call me a kafir...
but i don't really care about human opinion about me (including the "holy" human opinion), what i really care is becoming a good Muslim in God's eyes.. -
Salam..
I follow the Quran and the teaching of the Prophet Muhammad (which tell us to uphold Al-Qur'an) and i believe in all the prophets sent before him. If that is sunni, then yes i am.
in reality, the majority of Sunni call me a kafir...
but i don't really care about human opinion about me (including the "holy" human opinion), what i really care is becoming a good Muslim in God's eyes.I agree, all I care about is being a good person and being accepted by God, I don't care what religion I am.
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Very well explained bravo bravo bravo
WHat is explained, 4 ayats were quoted here and the last one in bold type.
I dont know which translation you are using but this is Yusuf Ali version
29. "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah. after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!" Then the Messenger will say-
"O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."
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Thus have We made for every prophet an enemy among the sinners but enough is thy Lord to guide and to help.
You guys must love this ayat in YOUR translation 'my people rejected this Quran', and want to make a new religion based on it. you cant , you cannot make up such a dynamic inference based on 1 ayat you have to read before and after and ponder the general meaning
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What do you mean by 'sound hadiths' then?
Those that are stamped 'sahih' by Sunni Ulema or those which are stamped 'sahih' by Shiah Ulema? Or do you use other criteria?Salam / Peace
I mean sound hadiths as in perserved over time, proven in real life like the ones prohesizing a lot of the status of the world today and how we are near the Qiyama. and Yes Bukhari may Allah reward him for all his efforts and sacrifices
Could there be a chance of one or two inaccurate hadiths, maybe, will i reject the books of hadiths in its entiry absolutely not, i am mitigating a strong risk of the hellfire
how do I know the hadith have validity, I havent seen any that contradict the Quran and I am sure you have many bring and them on and lets discuss them
in addition, my favorite ayats in the quran is 'to those who believe we show clear signs'