8:50 and 47:27 - 1400 years of misinterpretation solved?

[herbman]

Peace Q_Student

I know where you coming from, so for you all the occurrences of in the Quran can only mean "to beat".

BTW this is the subject of the thread.

[Q_student]

Peace Q_Student

I know where you coming from, so for you all the occurrences of in the Quran can only mean "to beat".

BTW this is the subject of the thread.

Peace
"Beauty needs no ornaments "
I have given a sentence ,translate it according to travel (self concocted meaning) theory. Why are you reluctant to translate this sentence?

Regards

[herbman]

Peace
"Beauty needs no ornaments "
I have given a sentence ,translate it according to travel (self concocted meaning) theory. Why are you reluctant to translate this sentence?

Regards

I said yes in that context it means "to beat"
But it is only one of the meaning for and I said that the etymology of the word originally means "move" as by proto-root.

Now you show me in the following from the Quran also means "to beat"

peace

[herbman]

or I should have simply taken the example from 7320

In any case I don't understand what you are trying to prove here, the fact is the original meaning is "move" then words evolve to what ever meanings depending on context and situations.

peace

[Q_student]

I said yes in that context it means "to beat"
But it is only one of the meaning for and I said that the etymology of the word originally means "move" as by proto-root.

Now you show me in the following from the Quran also means "to beat"

peace

Peace
This is "Dharaba mathalan" . This is well known arabic phrase written and explained in very classical dictionary .
We are not talking about phrases /idioms of the this verb. We are talking about only about the verb "dharaba".
To break
To break out
To break the ice
All of the above have different meaning.
This is basic priniciple of the language.
"To beat" is the meaning of the word "dharaba". Look at the Lane's Lexicon.
It means you have to learn the difference between parent verb and its idiomatic expression and you are commenting on the language usages.
Regards

[unknownuser]

Peace everyone

how would we translate the following

peace

[herbman]

Peace
This is "Dharaba mathalan" . This is well known arabic phrase written and explained in very classical dictionary .
We are not talking about phrases /idioms of the this verb. We are talking about only about the verb "dharaba".
To break
To break out
To break the ice
All of the above have different meaning.
This is basic priniciple of the language.
"To beat" is the meaning of the word "dharaba". Look at the Lane's Lexicon.
It means you have to learn the difference between parent verb and its idiomatic expression and you are commenting on the language usages.
Regards

Salam, Peace,

No you are wrong "dharaba"= "To beat" is one of the meanings, see Lane's Lexicon.

Now let me explain you my point of view

let's take some of the meanings of "dharaba" from Al Quran (if you have more please provide), where we all agree

1-To beat
2-To travel
3-To explain or to expose

So I said the basic and guenuin meaning of "dharaba" is "move", so let's apply this to the 3 meanings we have

1-To beat= the basic process if you break up the action of beating is a "move" of an object from one place to another (F=m*a) see also the definition below
http//www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx?context=3&reversed=False&action=define&homonym=-1&text=beat

2-To travel = to move frome one place to another

3- To explain, expose = to move, transpose a situation, idea into an image so you can undestand easily.
colins definition, explain to make something easily understandable, esp. by giving a clear and detailed account of it,

Let's continue and take other examples from the contempory usage

4- to multiply to transpose (move) one number several times

5- to stamp (money or whatever) to move an image into a media

wa salam

[herbman]

Peace
Language is not based on self concocted concepts
Regards

please click the link below

http//www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=arabic+proto-root

peace

[Q_student]

Salam, Peace,

1-To beat
2-To travel
3-To explain or to expose

wa salam

Peace
Here you are mistaken.
7320
It is not dharaba which means "travel " rather a full phrase i.e dharaba fil ardh.

1424
Again it is not simply dharaba ,rather dharaba mathalan. which means to narrate parable.

Regards

[unknownuser]

salaam brother

Peace

1424
Again it is not simply dharaba ,rather dharaba mathalan. which means to narrate parable.

Regards

what do you say about the following example

Peace everyone

how would we translate the following

peace

[herbman]

salaam brother

what do you say about the following example

Thanks Head of Hamza,

I didn't know about that one, I think QS is out of arguments now.
Can you please tell us what's is your understanding of it

Peace

[Samia]

Peace
Classical arabic is an established and vast language.
Dharaba ( ) = travel
you need to prove through classical arabic work.
BTW what is meant by

According to you self concocted theory which meaning is drawn from this sentence /
regards

Why do you add the adverb to your sentence?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206418#msg206418

To avoid such an answer?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206452#msg206452
laugh
You know without modifying this verb with intensity/tool/place to strike...etc you cannot translate it into (to beat). Even in colloquial, a question would follow how did he "beat" him? With what? Was it serious?...etc

[Q_student]

Why do you add the adverb to your sentence?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206418#msg206418

To avoid such an answer?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206452#msg206452
laugh
You know without modifying this verb with intensity/tool/place to strike...etc you cannot translate it into (to beat). Even in colloquial, a question would follow how did he "beat" him? With what? Was it serious?...etc

Peace
To know its meaning please consult Lane's lexicon.
To know its use please W.Wright English Grammar.
Your questions are fully elaborated in them.
regards

[Samia]

Peace
To know its meaning please consult Lane's lexicon.
To know its use please W.Wright English Grammar.
Your questions are fully elaborated in them.
regards

What do these two books say about ?

I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( &#1575
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill) .That's why you can't find "strongly strikes him", and this is why sunnis have to insert (lightly) to fool around.

[Q_student]

What do these two books say about ?

I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( &#1575
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill) .That's why you can't find "strongly strikes him", and this is why sunnis have to insert (lightly) to fool around.

Peace
Please copy paste where it says haraba = STRONG strike

Dear sister do not use these dictionaries as "a decoration piece" .Try to use them.
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Dharab Khafiifan Look at this also it is for comparison.

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Regards

[unknownuser]

Thanks Head of Hamza,

I didn't know about that one, I think QS is out of arguments now.
Can you please tell us what's is your understanding of it

Peace

check this out

http//translate.google.co.uk/translate_t?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&text=%D9%8A%D8%B6%D8%B1%D8%A8+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%82+%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%84&file=&sl=ar&tl=en&history_state0=#

[Samia]

Q_student

You still failed with all these references to show even once where dharaba means (to smack) without showing with what or where, however big is the size of your font.
All your examples are for striking with a sword, a cane or a whip.
Moreover,this "dharban shadeedan" is an explanation of the more eloqouent Arabic terms/phrases which are as follows (from your copy and paste)

Strong beating

Light beating

[Q_student]

Q_student

You still failed with all these references to show even once where dharaba means (to smack) without showing with what or where, however big is the size of your font.
All your examples are for striking with a sword, a cane or a whip.
Moreover,this "dharban shadeedan" is an explanation of the more eloqouent Arabic terms/phrases which are as follows (from your copy and paste)

Strong beating

Light beating

Peace
Look at your statement

I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression(

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  Lie has no leg to stand on.
  Look at this also

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Actually you do not know even abc of Arabic language.You do not know even how to consult a dictionary .

Give a single reference (Lisan or kitaabul Ain) which says that Dharaba means Strong Strike.
Regards

[Samia]

If you knew Arabic you would not re-paste these four sentences, because two of them confirm what I just posted, explaining two verbs which mean "to strike heavily" in two complete sentences with and ;and the two other sentences are incomplete.

You don't even know what I am saying in English, let alone in Arabic. And do not divert the issue, which is that "Dharaba" DOES NOT MEAN SMACK. I repeated many times that it means to strike with a sword or a cane or a whip. when used alone. Whether it comes with "severly/strongly" or not is irrelevant. NONE OF YOUR COPY AND PASTE GIVES ANY MEANING FOR THE VERB AS TO "BEAT/ SMACK" without showing with what or where.

I have lisanul 3arab in hard copy and online. I do not know why I need to tell a lie, (although what you copy and paste from lisanul 3arab is not on my online copies). Yet, it makes no difference and apart from the incomplete sentences, it supports what I have been saying. These are what I have from the online copy I have , with "dharban shadeedan"

Explaining dharban "mubr-ri7an" as shadeedan. This is under two entries "bara7a" and "dharaba"
and no such a thing as light beating, but .

The above one is froma hadith about whipping a drunken. They almost killed him.

These are the only sentences containing dharban shadeedan althrough lisanul 3arab.
I have posted more than once my online source of the lisanul 3arab, www.baheth.info. You may check for yourself if you can. Just enter and you will have all the occurences of this word throughout the dictionary. Search for the ones followed by

End of discussion with thick heads.

[unknownuser]

Peace
Look at your statement
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  Lie has no leg to stand on.
  Look at this also

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Actually you do not know even abc of Arabic language.You do not know even how to consult a dictionary .
Give a single reference (Lisan or kitaabul Ain) which says that Dharaba means Strong Strike.
Regards

Salaam brother

you have very good knowledge of arabic language elhamdulillah. Would you please help me translating the following

God strikes the right and wrong

is that the correct translation?

http//translate.google.co.uk/translate_t?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&text=%D9%8A%D8%B6%D8%B1%D8%A8+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%82+%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%84&file=&sl=ar&tl=en&history_state0=#

Thanks.