8:50 and 47:27 - 1400 years of misinterpretation solved?
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Peace everyone
how would we translate the following
peace
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Peace
This is "Dharaba mathalan" . This is well known arabic phrase written and explained in very classical dictionary .
We are not talking about phrases /idioms of the this verb. We are talking about only about the verb "dharaba".
To break
To break out
To break the ice
All of the above have different meaning.
This is basic priniciple of the language.
"To beat" is the meaning of the word "dharaba". Look at the Lane's Lexicon.
It means you have to learn the difference between parent verb and its idiomatic expression and you are commenting on the language usages.
RegardsSalam, Peace,
No you are wrong "dharaba"= "To beat" is one of the meanings, see Lane's Lexicon.
Now let me explain you my point of view
let's take some of the meanings of "dharaba" from Al Quran (if you have more please provide), where we all agree
1-To beat
2-To travel
3-To explain or to exposeSo I said the basic and guenuin meaning of "dharaba" is "move", so let's apply this to the 3 meanings we have
1-To beat= the basic process if you break up the action of beating is a "move" of an object from one place to another (F=m*a) see also the definition below
http//www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx?context=3&reversed=False&action=define&homonym=-1&text=beat2-To travel = to move frome one place to another
3- To explain, expose = to move, transpose a situation, idea into an image so you can undestand easily.
colins definition, explain to make something easily understandable, esp. by giving a clear and detailed account of it,Let's continue and take other examples from the contempory usage
4- to multiply to transpose (move) one number several times
5- to stamp (money or whatever) to move an image into a media
wa salam
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Salam, Peace,
1-To beat
2-To travel
3-To explain or to exposewa salam
Peace
Here you are mistaken.
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It is not dharaba which means "travel " rather a full phrase i.e dharaba fil ardh.1424
Again it is not simply dharaba ,rather dharaba mathalan. which means to narrate parable.Regards
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salaam brother
Peace
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Again it is not simply dharaba ,rather dharaba mathalan. which means to narrate parable.Regards
what do you say about the following example
Peace everyone
how would we translate the following
peace
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Peace
Classical arabic is an established and vast language.
Dharaba ( ) = travel
you need to prove through classical arabic work.
BTW what is meant byAccording to you self concocted theory which meaning is drawn from this sentence /
regardsWhy do you add the adverb to your sentence?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206418#msg206418
To avoid such an answer?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206452#msg206452
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You know without modifying this verb with intensity/tool/place to strike...etc you cannot translate it into (to beat). Even in colloquial, a question would follow how did he "beat" him? With what? Was it serious?...etc -
Why do you add the adverb to your sentence?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206418#msg206418
To avoid such an answer?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206452#msg206452
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You know without modifying this verb with intensity/tool/place to strike...etc you cannot translate it into (to beat). Even in colloquial, a question would follow how did he "beat" him? With what? Was it serious?...etcPeace
To know its meaning please consult Lane's lexicon.
To know its use please W.Wright English Grammar.
Your questions are fully elaborated in them.
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Peace
To know its meaning please consult Lane's lexicon.
To know its use please W.Wright English Grammar.
Your questions are fully elaborated in them.
regardsWhat do these two books say about ?
I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( ا
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill) .That's why you can't find "strongly strikes him", and this is why sunnis have to insert (lightly) to fool around. -
What do these two books say about ?
I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( ا
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill) .That's why you can't find "strongly strikes him", and this is why sunnis have to insert (lightly) to fool around.Peace
Please copy paste where it says haraba = STRONG strikeDear sister do not use these dictionaries as "a decoration piece" .Try to use them.
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Thanks Head of Hamza,
I didn't know about that one, I think QS is out of arguments now.
Can you please tell us what's is your understanding of itPeace
check this out
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You still failed with all these references to show even once where dharaba means (to smack) without showing with what or where, however big is the size of your font.
All your examples are for striking with a sword, a cane or a whip.
Moreover,this "dharban shadeedan" is an explanation of the more eloqouent Arabic terms/phrases which are as follows (from your copy and paste)Strong beating
Light beating
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Q_student
You still failed with all these references to show even once where dharaba means (to smack) without showing with what or where, however big is the size of your font.
All your examples are for striking with a sword, a cane or a whip.
Moreover,this "dharban shadeedan" is an explanation of the more eloqouent Arabic terms/phrases which are as follows (from your copy and paste)Strong beating
Light beating
Peace
Look at your statementI only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression(
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Lie has no leg to stand on.
Look at this also
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Actually you do not know even abc of Arabic language.You do not know even how to consult a dictionary .Give a single reference (Lisan or kitaabul Ain) which says that Dharaba means Strong Strike.
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If you knew Arabic you would not re-paste these four sentences, because two of them confirm what I just posted, explaining two verbs which mean "to strike heavily" in two complete sentences with and ;and the two other sentences are incomplete.
You don't even know what I am saying in English, let alone in Arabic. And do not divert the issue, which is that "Dharaba" DOES NOT MEAN SMACK. I repeated many times that it means to strike with a sword or a cane or a whip. when used alone. Whether it comes with "severly/strongly" or not is irrelevant. NONE OF YOUR COPY AND PASTE GIVES ANY MEANING FOR THE VERB AS TO "BEAT/ SMACK" without showing with what or where.
I have lisanul 3arab in hard copy and online. I do not know why I need to tell a lie, (although what you copy and paste from lisanul 3arab is not on my online copies). Yet, it makes no difference and apart from the incomplete sentences, it supports what I have been saying. These are what I have from the online copy I have , with "dharban shadeedan"
Explaining dharban "mubr-ri7an" as shadeedan. This is under two entries "bara7a" and "dharaba"
and no such a thing as light beating, but .The above one is froma hadith about whipping a drunken. They almost killed him.
These are the only sentences containing dharban shadeedan althrough lisanul 3arab.
I have posted more than once my online source of the lisanul 3arab, www.baheth.info. You may check for yourself if you can. Just enter and you will have all the occurences of this word throughout the dictionary. Search for the ones followed byEnd of discussion with thick heads.
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Peace
Look at your statement
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Lie has no leg to stand on.
Look at this also
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Actually you do not know even abc of Arabic language.You do not know even how to consult a dictionary .
Give a single reference (Lisan or kitaabul Ain) which says that Dharaba means Strong Strike.
RegardsSalaam brother
you have very good knowledge of arabic language elhamdulillah. Would you please help me translating the following
God strikes the right and wrong
is that the correct translation?
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Thanks.
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Peace sister
Again you are showing height of ignorance you saidI only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( ا
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill) .That's why you can't find "strongly strikes him",You said
I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression(
In the next post you have quoted Lisaan showing the xpression of "Dharaban Shadeedan". (Lie has no memory).
You said
NONE OF YOUR COPY AND PASTE GIVES ANY MEANING FOR THE VERB AS TO "BEAT/ SMACK" without showing with what or where.
Again you are trying to misguide the readers .Your claim was
What do these two books say about ?
I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( ا
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill) .That's why you can't find "strongly strikes him", and this is why sunnis have to insert (lightly) to fool around.In response to this I put so many reference SHOWING THE EXPRESSION OF DHARABAN SHADEEDAN.
Again I am demanding from you about your claim the "The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike"
Produce a single evidence which says
Dharaba = strong strike.On the other hand dictionaries clearly say
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.Again you are trying to dodge and misguid the readers
you said
Explaining dharban "mubr-ri7an" as shadeedan. This is under two entries "bara7a" and "dharaba"
and no such a thing as light beating, butIt is explaining the meaning of "mubarrihan" not that of "dharaban".This sentence has been taken from Lisaanul arab under "Bariha" .The exact wording of lisaan is
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Dharaba is common word for any sort of strike which may be strong or weak.To explain this specificity you have to use the word shadeedan or khafifan (strong or weak) as I have already shown many examples. If it had inherant meaning of "Strength" of strike there is no sense in using "Dharaban Shadeedan" (unfortunately this is question of common sense which is uncommon) and then khafeefan can never be used with it.
It is exactly like an English word "odor" which can be good or bad. For good smell we use either "good odor " or "fragrance" and for bad odor we use either "offensive odor" or "stink"
Please sister try to have some Classes in Classical Arabic.There is no harm in learning.
Having Lisaanul arab and using it as DECORATION PIECE "just to impress reader makes one as a "laughing stock" and nothing else.Regards
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Again I am demanding from you about your claim the "The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike"
YES it does imply a strong strike. Which authority would you accept as proof? your choice!
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Peace sister
Again you are showing height of ignorance you saidYou said
In the next post you have quoted Lisaan showing the xpression of "Dharaban Shadeedan". (Lie has no memory).
You said
Again you are trying to misguide the readers .Your claim wasIn response to this I put so many reference SHOWING THE EXPRESSION OF DHARABAN SHADEEDAN.
Again I am demanding from you about your claim the "The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike"
Produce a single evidence which says
Dharaba = strong strike.On the other hand dictionaries clearly say
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.Again you are trying to dodge and misguid the readers
you said
It is explaining the meaning of "mubarrihan" not that of "dharaban".This sentence has been taken from Lisaanul arab under "Bariha" .The exact wording of lisaan is
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Dharaba is common word for any sort of strike which may be strong or weak.To explain this specificity you have to use the word shadeedan or khafifan (strong or weak) as I have already shown many examples. If it had inherant meaning of "Strength" of strike there is no sense in using "Dharaban Shadeedan" (unfortunately this is question of common sense which is uncommon) and then khafeefan can never be used with it.
It is exactly like an English word "odor" which can be good or bad. For good smell we use either "good odor " or "fragrance" and for bad odor we use either "offensive odor" or "stink"
Please sister try to have some Classes in Classical Arabic.There is no harm in learning.
Having Lisaanul arab and using it as DECORATION PIECE "just to impress reader makes one as a "laughing stock" and nothing else.Regards
Why do you highlight my quote, dropping (to kill) from it?
The verb "Dharaba" in itself implies a strong strike (to kill)
You are a deceiver.
All your copy pastes have (dharaba) meaning (to kill).
Non of them originally have "shadeedan" but another adverb explained as to mean "shadeedan".
If you were able to read Arabic, you wouldn't have spent such a time searching what to copy-paste, ignorantly proving my point.
As for the two sentences you claim to be from lisanul 3arab, I dare you post your online source link to that dictionary, just as I did.
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A transitive verb needs an object and in that case it certainly reflects an effect. So the effect is built in the verb. Dharba can be used only when its effect is apparent, evident and surfaced i.e. forceful. English word "strike" does not reflect the effect for which we use such terms "lightly", "forcefully" etc. Dharba is primarily to make the thing evident, prominent, visible, surfaced and thus could be implied for beating only when beating is such that left a visible mark and visible mark is left only when striking is forceful. Therefore Dharba does not need qualifying by words like shadeedan.
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Why do you highlight my quote, dropping (to kill) from it? You are a deceiver.
All your copy pastes have (dharaba) meaning (to kill).
Non of them originally have "shadeedan" but another adverb explained as to mean "shadeedan".
If you were able to read Arabic, you wouldn't have spent such a time searching what to copy-paste, ignorantly proving my point.
As for the two sentences you claim to be from lisanul 3arab, I dare you post your online source link to that dictionary, just as I did.
Your example is that of a monkey sitting at a pc and copying without understanding...Peace
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Your initial Claim
I only have access to about 5 classical dictionaries including Al-3ain and Lisanul 3arab, but could not find the expression( ا[/
Your later post
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