Grammatical Errors in the Arabic Quran
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Muslims all over the world claim that the Quran has been fully preserved as it was revealed to Muhammad and no letter of the Quran has been changed. But the fact is just opposite as unbiased scholars have observed so many grammatical errors in the present Arabic Quran.
One can check the errors in the link below
http//www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Newton/grammar.html
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Unbiased? scholars? many people are astray because God has made their unbelief seem correct to them. thereby
giving them what they want which is satisfaction in their error. Why are you devoting so much time in that which you
do not believe? Admit your disbelief and save yourself from knit picking in error.Peace
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Muslims all over the world claim that the Quran has been fully preserved as it was revealed to Muhammad and no letter of the Quran has been changed. But the fact is just opposite as unbiased scholars have observed so many grammatical errors in the present Arabic Quran.
One can check the errors in the link below
http//www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Newton/grammar.html
Peace
Would you please provide the evidence that
1These scholars are biased
2Those scholars are unbiased
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Peace
Would you please provide the evidence that
1These scholars are biased
2Those scholars are unbiased
Regardssalaam brother
can you provide evidence that
Quran has been fully preserved as it was revealed to Muhammad and no letter of the Quran has been changed?
regards
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Peace Vivek,
Muslims all over the world claim that the Quran has been fully preserved as it was revealed to Muhammad and no letter of the Quran has been changed. But the fact is just opposite as unbiased scholars have observed so many grammatical errors in the present Arabic Quran.
One can check the errors in the link below
http//www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Newton/grammar.htmlYou have criticized so-called Muslims but unfortunately you share some of their same irrational ideas and have fallen into the trap of idolizing Arabic. You seem to think that Arabic has descended from heaven and therefore expect it to be a divine language. This is of course completely false, per the great reading itself. The god uses the human tongue/language of the messenger to deliver the message. This human tongue, as with all human languages, has inherent oddities, ambiguities and inconsistencies. There are no grammatical errors in the great reading. There are errors in the formalized and rigid Classical Arabic grammar because it doesn't reflect the real informal vernacular language spoken in mundane every day street and home settings by the people of the messenger.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
Peace Vivek,
You have criticized so-called Muslims but unfortunately you share some of their same irrational ideas and have fallen into the trap of idolizing Arabic.
I really wonder how a person like you who claims to follow logic and deny blind following(which is not the case with you as proven by your response) can jump to hasty conclusion and accuse me of idolatry just because I pointed out some researchers' findings of grammatical errors in the Arabic Quran!!! If at all blind belief in anything is an act of idolizing, then your are an idolator due to your blind belief in the myth about unchanged Quran(great reading as per your usage) and thereby idolizing the Quran(your standards for idolatry applied here)!!!
You seem to think that Arabic has descended from heaven and therefore expect it to be a divine language. This is of course completely false, per the great reading itself.
Again you are jumping to hasty and mistaken conclusion about my perception of Arabic or any other language. Just because I pointed out some grammatical errors in the Arabic Quran, you are accusing me of holding Arabic language divine. Why? Because you are still unable to shun your cultist attitude ie Quran Alone Cultist mentality, though you have come out of Hadith based cultist Islam as per your writings and hence you become hot with any notion of Quran's alteration. I hold nothing divine except for the divinity, no divine Quran, no divine messenger/prophet, etc and only the divinity is divine.
The god uses the human tongue/language of the messenger to deliver the message. This human tongue, as with all human languages, has inherent oddities, ambiguities and inconsistencies.
Every language undergoes drastic change in the meaning and usage of its words with new words invented and old words discarded over the long period of time. Hence the notion of classical language. It is notable that the meanings and grammar rules get changed only over the reasonably long period of time. Any book or literary work written in any classical language cannot contain any grammatical errors in that classical language unless the author has made such mistakes.
The grammatical errors in the Arabic Quran as pointed out, are the ones in the classical Arabic in which the Quran was revealed.
There are no grammatical errors in the great reading. There are errors in the formalized and rigid Classical Arabic grammar because it doesn't reflect the real informal vernacular language spoken in mundane every day street and home settings by the people of the messenger.
Peace,
Ayman
Your words only show how deep you are entraped in the cultist mentality. As a member of Quran Alone Cult, you have been rendered unable to think out of the box and crippled to accept blindly without questioning that the Quran has never been altered and the present Quran is the same original Quran and does not contain any error. With this cultist attitude, you are just desparately resorting to defense of your point by hook and crook, ie, if some sentences in the Arabic Quran are grammatically erroneous, then the grammar is erroneous, not the sentence!!!
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Salaam,
There are sound reasons why these errors exist, to delude yourself into falsely believing none exist, serves little benefit, over the last 14 centuries those who wish to enslave the people into their service have work tirelessly to return humanity back to ignorance.
They could not change the written text of the Arabic Qur?an, so circumvented this problem by the altering of the rules of grammar.
These alterations made the text ambiguous, and vague, on servant of the light these rules of grammar have been re-established, within a new translation into English of the Qur?an.
Many will imprudently disregard this translation of the true guidance of the Qur?an, their dismissal based on preconceived dogma, formed over a life time of cultural traditions and indoctrinations. Over large expanses of time those establishing one deception building upon another to confuse the truth combine to create the modern travesty of Islam we experience today, judge this new expression of the Qur?an upon the Qur?ans own stated purpose
A guide complete in every detail.
It is a simple and clear guide to live in this world, presenting every concept and principle in clarity, needing no historical references, no conversations written down centuries after they were spoken, if they were ever, indeed spoken.
It is in this correct translation a clear guide complete in every detail, please reflect on this before you dismiss the guidance of Allah for the confusion of religion.
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/95/126/
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Salam Vivek,
Ayman asked you a fair question. I will explain the situation for your convenience
You claimed (with backing) that Quran has grammatical ERRORS.
I ask you, what is an ERROR? An error is something incorrect within the standard of measurement in someone's count.
For example if I went to a roman catholic church and said, 'the bible has only 66 books', i would be in ERROR as per the roman catholics duoay bible. Does this mean the roman catholics are inerrant?
Back to grammar.
This page claims the Quran has grammatical ERRORS.
So I ask you why I should rely on these people?
Who are they to stamp their authority on us? Why do you trust them and yet you call AYMAN biased?
Vivek, if you choose to stand by them, you must defend their authority. So rather than attacking Ayman and others, show us why you trust these guys. Unless of course, it?s YOU who has a bias and , despite zero knowledge of this field, choose to side with those who criticise Quran.
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Muslims all over the world claim that the Quran has been fully preserved as it was revealed to Muhammad and no letter of the Quran has been changed. But the fact is just opposite as unbiased scholars have observed so many grammatical errors in the present Arabic Quran.
One can check the errors in the link below
http//www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Newton/grammar.html
This subject made me particularly laugh and do you know why.
I'll tell it to you
What do you think came first, the language or the grammar? When you teach a child to speak, do you teach him grammar first to start speaking?
Answer is absolutly and undoubtly NO.
Then re-think your claim and you will start to laugh as I did.Regards
ps where do you think main arabic grammar came from?
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salaam brother
can you provide evidence that
Quran has been fully preserved as it was revealed to Muhammad and no letter of the Quran has been changed?
regards
there is no way to prove that. The only way that can be believed in a general way, is if there are no known errors in the Quran that we have today; but we do, because of human error, and because of the long time period since the time of the revelation of the Quran and today.
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Is God's promise to preserve the Quran is not enough evidence, what else is for you?
)How do you know that the promise of Quranic preservation is not a human innovation added to that Quran?
I don't, but I believe, on faith, that the gist of the Quranic message has been preserved, even if not the exact words and letters. -
The god uses the human tongue/language of the messenger to deliver the message. This human tongue, as with all human languages, has inherent oddities, ambiguities and inconsistencies. There are no grammatical errors in the great reading. There are errors in the formalized and rigid Classical Arabic grammar because it doesn't reflect the real informal vernacular language spoken in mundane every day street and home settings by the people of the messenger.
Peace,
Ayman
Salam Ayman,
I never thought about that. Thanks for that insightful post.
And thanks for this article about how the Quranic initials could possibly be slang. (no. 10 in the article)
http//www.19.org/index.php?aid=283
As a Bangla speaker, I meet a lot of people who think that Bangla has many errors as it doesn't match Sanskrit. What they don't realise is that Sanskrit was the written language used by the priest class, and was not used by the general people, who used to speak in different vernaculars.
peace
yesSarah
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there is no way to prove that. The only way that can be believed in a general way, is if there are no known errors in the Quran that we have today; but we do, because of human error, and because of the long time period since the time of the revelation of the Quran and today.
Can you describe how one detects an 'error' ?
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Can you describe how one detects an 'error' ?
oh, I wasn't referring to that in my post. I was just saying that you don't have to prove that something is not correct, you only have to show an example that something is wrong in order to prove your point.
As for detecting 'errors' I agree with Ayman that the Quran was revealed in the vernacular Arabic of that day and not in Classical Arabic, and would not call them grammatical errors, since the rules of grammar describe and not dictate, the language.
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As for detecting 'errors' I agree with Ayman that the Quran was revealed in the vernacular Arabic of that day and not in Classical Arabic, and would not call them grammatical errors, since the rules of grammar describe and not dictate, the language.
Salam, sarah, all
errors in the quran we have in our hands todays, are not grammatical ones only.
There are many differences between the seven versions of the ''mus7af" , specially in the 2 major versions, "hafs" and "warsh" .
How can you explain these differences, ?
what is that has been preserved by gods' promise the "mushaf" the book or the "dhikr" ? i really need to know
Thank you
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Salam, sarah, all
errors in the quran we have in our hands todays, are not grammatical ones only.
There are many differences between the seven versions of the ''mus7af" , specially in the 2 major versions, "hafs" and "warsh" .
How can you explain these differences, ?
what is that has been preserved by gods' promise the "mushaf" the book or the "dhikr" ? i really need to know
Thank you
Of course there are transcription errors in the present day Quran, hence my focus on the preservation of the main Quranic message, and not the exact words and characters
Please see http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599050.msg223880#msg223880 -
Sarah, lets say I copied the 'Hafs' Quran word for word except I made a few word changes here and there. Does that mean the Quran is corrupted?
RK published a Quran which lacks 9128-129. Does THAT mean the Quran is corrupted?
They found the san'a manuscripts with significant changes to the Quran and that's oldest known Quranic text. Does THAT mean the quran is corrupted?
What if the Warsh writer, RK, the San'a manuscript writer were all nefarious individuals who corrupted the quran on purpose to cast doubt? I dont know them, i never met them. All I know is, even this person who wrote the 'whichquran' pdf says the vast majority of the Quran's on earth are of the 'hafs' variety yet it doesnt strike him that THAT is a significant statement in itself.
Its funny how in the question of authenticity of Quranic text, we go to everything EXCEPT the quran itself.