salaat = prayer ? disproved for eternity
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Wa-itha darabtum fee al-ardi
When YOU (pl) travel throught the earthfalaysa AAalayKUM junahun
There's no sin on YOU (pl)an taqsuroo mina alssalati
to cut / shorten FROM the prayersin khiftum an yaftinaKUMu allatheena kafaroo
If YOU (pl) fear unbelievers might cause you fitnah(All of the above verses are for believers.)
inna alkafireenakanoo lakum AAaduwwan mubeenan
Surely the UNBELIEVERS / UNGRATEFUL are an enemy for you(Now it's the ungrateful)
And the next ayah (4102) continues
Wa-itha kunta feeHIM
And when you (sing.) are among THEM(It's crystal clear that THEM here represent the ungrateful / unbelievers)
faaqamta laHUMualssalata
Then you observe / get it observed to THEM the salatfaltaqum ta-ifatun MINHUMmaAAaka
A group FROM THEM shall stand with you (sing)walya/khuthoo aslihataHUM
and let THEM take their armsfa-ithasajadoo
Then when THEY obeyedfalyakoonoo min wara-iKUM
let them be in the rear of YOU (PL)Now the problem for praying muslims starts here. Let's think all THEMs as MUSLIMS (which is obviously not according to context).
The first group stands for prayer with the messenger. Then when they're done they get back.
Sounds plausible. But is it?
Then my question is
The verses above IMPLY that there are two groups. One of them are THEM (him, hum / the unbelievers) group, the other is YOU (kum / the believers) group. Now if they are the same things why would God use different word endings?
walta/ti ta-ifatunokhra lam yusalloo falyusalloo maAAaka
And let other party come up that hasn't observed the salaat with you (sing)walya/khuthoo hithraHUM waaslihataHUM
Let THEM take THEIR precautions and arms.Messenger orates to THEM with a armed group of muslims just in case of an assault. When the first group is done they get back behind muslims. And it's not possible to launch an attack to messenger still since he's at the front. The other group is orated. This way it's quite possible to speak without raising your voice too much. And just because muslims are armed (in fear of an assault cos they are travelling) they can have guns too.
Salaam.
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The question of who is addressed can be easily answered with two points
Who does the suffix refer to throughout 4101-102 (even after kafireen are mentioned in 4101)? It is the mumineen.
By applying logic
why are kafireen upholding the salat/bond?
are kafireen still kafireen if they sjd/acknowledge?
is AQ recommending it is ok to leave one's weapons if hampered by rain/sickness when immediately surrounded by kafireen?NB
AQ = al quran
kafireen = ungrateful/concealer/rejecter -
Thank you for the reply brother Wakas...
The suffix for 4101 is -kum (your), after mentioning the ungrateful it changes to -hum (their) (in 4102). The ungrateful are upholding the READING / oration. Muslims travel through the earth so they have to carry arms in case of an attack. So the ungrateful are allowed, too. SJD is acknowledgement, it doesn't have anything to do with converting so yes they are still kafireen.
...and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with THEM...
...There is no sin upon YOU if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons...As seen above there are two groups. You can lay down your weapons but you should still be precautious.
...There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons. And be wary....
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4101 When you (believers) go forth in the land, then there is no blame on you if you shorten the bond, if you fear that the ingrates will try you. The ingrates are to you (believers) a clear enemy.
4102 When you (singular - the messenger) are with them (believers) and uphold the bond for them, then let a group from amongst them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; when they have submitted then let them stand guard from behind; let a group who has not yet bonded come and bond with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their (the believers' weapons with them. (Note how their is a transition from talking about the believers to talking about the ingrates) The ingrates hope that you (believers -same "you" as before) would neglect your (the believers' weapons and goods so they (ingrates) can come upon you in one blow. There is no harm upon you (believers - same "you" as in 4101 and in the beginning of 4101) if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you keep from placing down your weapons. Be wary. God has prepared for the ingrates a humiliating retribution.
The "you" (singular) is referring to the messenger, who is upholding the bond for the believers - not the ingrates/rejecters. The last usage of "you" in 4101 is referring to the believers, not the ingrates, so the first "them" in 4102 is referring to the believers. Also note how "ingrates" is used at the end of 4102, showing that they were not being referred to in the beginning with upholoding the bond. Also note the transition between talking about the beleivers/messenger and talking about the ingrates. Keep the transition of 4101 to 4102 in mind - the "you" in 4101 is referring to the believers. So basically in the beginning of 4102 only the believers/the messenger are/is being talked about, not the ingrates.
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peace b_a, all,
4101....... an yaftinakumu allatheena kafaroo inna alkafireena kanoo lakum AAaduwwan mubeenan.
As I said, even after kafireen are mentioned, whom does the suffix STILL refer to?
Also, see the post above, and analyse 4102 in detail.
And lastly, if still uncertain, explain why kafireen are upholding the salat/bond and sjd/acknowledging.
Thanks.
