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Hell for ALL non-Muslims?

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    Jack
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    Salam Recluse,

    Islam has always existed - 4213.

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      Recluse
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      And those who believe and do good, and believe in what has been revealed to Muhammad, and it is the very truth from their Lord, He will remove their evil from them and improve their condition.

      So what is your conclusion? If someone does not believe in the Qur'an and calls himself a Christian (but rejects the Trinity), he cannot enter heaven?

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        So what is your conclusion? If someone does not believe in the Qur'an and calls himself a Christian (but rejects the Trinity), he cannot enter heaven?

        Think carefully, my future might depends on this.

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          Ahmad_Bilal
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          Think carefully, my future might depends on this.

          laugh I don't think your future depends on this question. You seem to be more in line with Islaam than many of the other Muslims I've met throughout the world...

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            Jack
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            http//www.free-minds.org/node/10

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              Recluse
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              Think carefully, my future might depends on this.

              laugh Perhaps you should convert to Islam (to be absolutely certain). But I already consider you a Muslim sun

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                SarahY
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                Think carefully, my future might depends on this.

                might, if you believed in the Quran otherwise it wouldn't matter.. unless you're the gambling type.

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                  Rev_John
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                  might, if you believed in the Quran otherwise it wouldn't matter.. unless you're the gambling type.

                  no, I hate gambling, It's ok for others, but not for me.

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                    laugh Perhaps you should convert to Islam (to be absolutely certain). But I already consider you a Muslim sun

                    But then I would be out of a job laugh

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                      Ahmad_Bilal
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                      But then I would be out of a job laugh

                      rotfl rotfl rotfl

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                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                        If someone believes in one God (tawheed), and is a righteous human being and does good deeds, is he still going to hell if he does not believe Muhammad was a prophet?

                        I can't find the verses now, but according to the Qur'an people who will enter heaven are described as those who;

                        1. believe in God (without ascribing partners to Him)
                        2. believe in the Hereafter
                        3. do good deeds

                        It does not say "those who believe Muhammad was a prophet." However, in other verses it says that God will not accept any other religion than Islam.

                        Unity of All Submitters

                        Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

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                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                          Think carefully, my future might depends on this.

                          you are more muslim than most sunnis I know.

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                            MUNZIR_ALI
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                            But then I would be out of a job laugh

                            @ also lose that nice collar. laugh

                            peace

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                              abdalquran
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                              Unity of All Submitters

                              Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

                              Quran repeats this sentiment again in 567 and 2217. It seems pluralism is more than just fine.

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                                aynur
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                                So what is your conclusion? If someone does not believe in the Qur'an and calls himself a Christian (but rejects the Trinity), he cannot enter heaven?

                                I'm wondering if because of 262 and the other verses that perhaps someone like you explained might be "punished", but not put in hell forever. I remember reading a verse that said that we're not supposed to reject any prophet, and then in the footnote Muhammad Asad noted that rejecting a prophet is almost as bad as rejecting God. For some reason I can't find that verse now, aghhhhh.....

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                                  abdalquran
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                                  I'm wondering if because of 262 and the other verses that perhaps someone like you explained might be "punished", but not put in hell forever. I remember reading a verse that said that we're not supposed to reject any prophet, and then in the footnote Muhammad Asad noted that rejecting a prophet is almost as bad as rejecting God. For some reason I can't find that verse now, aghhhhh.....

                                  Perhaps you're thinking of 4/150-152?

                                  I'd like to ask however, if a person rejects Muhammad simply reading his story from hadiths and seerah, can you really blame him? Muhammad is portrayed negatively a lot in those sources (as well as positively in some places).

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                                    Perhaps you're thinking of 4/150-152?

                                    I'd like to ask however, if a person rejects Muhammad simply reading his story from hadiths and seerah, can you really blame him? Muhammad is portrayed negatively a lot in those sources (as well as positively in some places).

                                    Yes that's it!
                                    The footnote for 4150 says "Or 'We believe in some and we deny the others' - that is, they believe in God but not in His apostles (Zamakhshari) or, alternatively, they believe in some of the apostles and deny others (Tabari and Zamakhshari). To my mind, the first of these two interpretations is preferable inasmuch as it covers not only a rejection of some of they apostles but also a total rejection of the idea that God may have revealed His will through His chosen message-bearers. In Islam, the rejection of any or all of God's apostles constitutes almost as grave a sin as a denial of God Himself."

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                                      abdalquran
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                                      Sorry but I can't agree with you here. To me 'rusulihi' (his messengers) in 4/150 here refers to living messengers, i.e. living bringers of his messengers (risalaat). I don't think it refers to accepting the story of the messenger at all. I can't blame anyone for reject , as I said, Muhammad of the hadith or even Muhammad of the Quran as explained by hadith. To me, 4/150-152 refers to people who try to cut off God from being an actor in the world. They would prefer God to be an abstract concept.

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                                        Recluse
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                                        But then I would be out of a job laugh

                                        Who pays you now, the church? (please excuse my ignorance). I would love to have a "religious" job.

                                        What are your "working hours"? laugh

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                                          Recluse
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                                          I'm wondering if because of 262 and the other verses that perhaps someone like you explained might be "punished", but not put in hell forever. I remember reading a verse that said that we're not supposed to reject any prophet, and then in the footnote Muhammad Asad noted that rejecting a prophet is almost as bad as rejecting God. For some reason I can't find that verse now, aghhhhh.....

                                          Hell for Non Muslims? Misunderstandings of Muslims lecture by Dr Khalid Zaheer

                                          http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMSNlcpYaf8

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