Food for your Ego!!!!!!!
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Thanks for the reminder.
A question, can people who practised Islam the way 'well-established meanings' dictated be fallible too or is it just us?
Peace,
God knows your and everyone's Logic's ability...therefore, He will Judge us based on if we whither understood the message but refused to Obey or if our logic failed to understand the correct meaning.
Another Fact is THE QURAN Contains simple and very will defined guides that takes into consideration our Logic limitations.we should only follow well established Islam ! through Quran and well established sunnah !
No new Islam is accepted.
thanks
Do you mean the Suna that violates the Quran are part of the well-established Islam? If you think so, then God only knows if your Logic is defected or not.
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Peace,
God knows your and everyone's Logic's ability...therefore, He will Judge us based on if we whither understood the message but refused to Obey or if our logic failed to understand the correct meaning.
Indeed. He will also judge us if we?re a bunch of priest-worshippers who accept something just because our priests said so.
Another Fact is THE QURAN Contains simple and very will defined guides that takes into consideration our Logic limitations.
Don?t hide behind simplicity please. The fact is, your false theft punishment CONTRADICTS the quran is a number of places. The problem is, because it?s ?well-established?, you swallowed it.
Do you mean the Suna that violates the Quran are part of the well-established Islam? If you think so, then God only knows if your Logic is defected or not.
No point pointing fingers at him. You do the exact same thing. Your theft punishment is a blatant contradiction to the basic quranic principle of justice, yet you accept it wholesale.
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Peace,
Do you mean the Suna that violates the Quran are part of the well-established Islam? If you think so,
No well established sunnah violates the Quran.
then God only knows if your Logic is defected or not.
God has given you a brain so that you use it to see what is defective and what is adequate.
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Indeed. He will also judge us if we?re a bunch of priest-worshippers who accept something just because our priests said so.
Don?t hide behind simplicity please. The fact is, your false theft punishment CONTRADICTS the quran is a number of places. The problem is, because it?s ?well-established?, you swallowed it.
No point pointing fingers at him. You do the exact same thing. Your theft punishment is a blatant contradiction to the basic quranic principle of justice, yet you accept it wholesale.
This topic is "Food for your Ego" and not a place to discuss our understanding of Quran...If your Ego likes to Eat, then you are welcome...otherwise, Do not Eat.
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No well established sunnah violates the Quran.
The punishment for apostasy which is well-established through the hadith (man badalla deenahu faqtalahu - sahih bukhari) violates the Quran yet is still found all compendiums of sunni law.
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The punishment for apostasy which is well-established through the hadith (man badalla deenahu faqtalahu - sahih bukhari) violates the Quran yet is still found all compendiums of sunni law.
so you are saying that well-established things could also be wrong? ??? if that is the case then why they are well-established in the first place? ???
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Rasul Hamsa
I like the flashing attributes of God. But, one of them cannot be an attribute of God, which is not used as an attribute of God in the Quran. By the way, why don't you trust the Quran about the attribute of God, since your list contains a few that does not exist in the Quran (including the not-so-beautiful one), and misses several attributes that are mentioned in the Quran. Do you think that the "sahih" hadith containing the list of 99 names is more trustworthy than the Quran?
As for belH who is confusing EGO with REASONING you have one of the biggest egos here, since you are challenging hundreds of the Quranic verses encouraging us to use our reasoning and not following anything blindly. Ironically, you are using a lousy reasoning to promote your crusade against God's greatest gift to humanity reasoning faculty.
Peace,
Edip -
so you are saying that well-established things could also be wrong? ???
Heck yes. 'well-established' doesn't mean two cents to me.
if that is the case then why they are well-established in the first place? ???
They weren't. Rasul and the sahaba would never do anything that violates the Quran. Later on, when evil clerics wanted to make sure everyone paid their fees, they established this law so that no one can run away. Religion is the best business of all, you can hold your clientele at gunpoint. 'Either be Muslim or we'll kill you. By the way, being Muslim involves a tax which helps pay for our institution'.
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Rasul Hamsa
I like the flashing attributes of God. But, one of them cannot be an attribute of God, which is not used as an attribute of God in the Quran. By the why don't you trust the Quran about the attribute of God, since your list contains a few that does not exist in the Quran (including the not-so-beautiful one), and misses several attributes that are mentioned in the Quran. Do you think that the "sahih" hadith containing the list of 99 names is more trustworthy than the Quran?
tell me which ones are not from quran and I'll try to fix that list.
Heck yes. 'well-established' doesn't mean two cents to me.
They weren't. Rasul and the sahaba would never do anything that violates the Quran. Later on, when evil clerics wanted to make sure everyone paid their fees, they established this law so that no one can run away. Religion is the best business of all, you can hold your clientele at gunpoint. 'Either be Muslim or we'll kill you. By the way, being Muslim involves a tax which helps pay for our institution'.
so there is no definition of well-established ?
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so there is no definition of well-established ?
The sunnis would have us believe that everything can be traced back to the Prophet through proper chains (isnad). This is nothing but a myth. In truth, the sunnis cannot even 'well-establish' the two things they need to make their information system work
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definition of sahaba
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definition of ijma'
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tell me which ones are not from quran and I'll try to fix that list.
Mashallah. You may start with al-Darr, since it is not an attribute of God. Ismi-fail implies a general characteristic of a person. Evry person who writes cannot call themselves writer.
Peace,
Edip -
As for belH who is confusing EGO with REASONING you have one of the biggest egos here, since you are challenging hundreds of the Quranic verses encouraging us to use our reasoning and not following anything blindly. Ironically, you are using a lousy reasoning to promote your crusade against God's greatest gift to humanity reasoning faculty.
Peace,
EdipPeace all,
Edip, stop acting like a kid by criticizing without reading.
Read again and tell me how your criticism is related to my post?
1967 Does men not remember that We created him before, when he was not a thing?
1967Yes, we should always remember that "YOU WERE NOTHING Before being born", when arguing about God's CLEAR Messages.
And when our limited brain fails to grasp the wisdom behind One of our Lord's Law, then we should always sayWE Heard, and We Obey.
Do not let your Ego makes you think that your Logic is immune from failing, and let it not prevent you from saying "WE Heard, and We Obey", when you don't understand the wisdom of your Lord.
Finally, Ask Him to grant you the Wisdom, so you may not struggle in understanding his messages.
Peace
If your reasoning made you delete two qurainc verses, 9-128 & 129, then do not call it reasoning, rather, it is your Satanic Ego.