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Is it okay to set up democratic relations with israel?

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    MUNZIR_ALI
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    My government wants to set up democratic relations with israel because we didn't have relations before.

    I'm not against it, but parliment members and most people in my country believe that we should not establish relations with israel. (The reason they say is -because israel is killing palestinian muslims)

    I believe that we, as humans should coexist together peacefully.

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      IronSky
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      Peace to all,

      Dear Munzir, tell your government to go ahead and set up democratic relations with Israel, but first, tell your government to tell Israel, first, you must abide by all humanitarian and international laws, you must give back the land taken illegally from palestinians, hand over the illegal settlements you built against international law, make amends for the hundreds of UN resolutions you have broken and refused to abide by, and most importantly, you must first declare your nuclear weapons, fully disclose the amount, type, and doctrine you have that governs their potential use, you must also sign onto the nuclear non proliferation treaty like the rest of the entire world is required to do, and you must rejoin the peaceful community of nations and abide by its laws, both statutory and humanitarian. But if they continue to think of themselves as special people, with racist apartheid policies, and with gross violations of human rights against palestinians and others, then to hell with them. Let history handle them as it has all other vile aggressors.

      Kurt

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        MUNZIR_ALI
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        Peace to all,

        Dear Munzir, tell your government to go ahead and set up democratic relations with Israel, but first, tell your government to tell Israel, first, you must abide by all humanitarian and international laws, you must give back the land taken illegally from palestinians, hand over the illegal settlements you built against international law, make amends for the hundreds of UN resolutions you have broken and refused to abide by, and most importantly, you must first declare your nuclear weapons, fully disclose the amount, type, and doctrine you have that governs their potential use, you must also sign onto the nuclear non proliferation treaty like the rest of the entire world is required to do, and you must rejoin the peaceful community of nations and abide by its laws, both statutory and humanitarian. But if they continue to think of themselves as special people, with racist apartheid policies, and with gross violations of human rights against palestinians and others, then to hell with them. Let history handle them as it has all other vile aggressors.

        Kurt

        Recently a poll was conducted in a TV program and they found that 89% were against establishing relations with israel.

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          Layth
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          Salam,

          Israel is an illegal state/entity, so I do not see how relations can be made as any agreements it enters into or that are made with it are ultimately null & void.

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            Edip_Yuksel
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            My government wants to set up democratic relations with israel because we didn't have relations before.

            I'm not against it, but parliment members and most people in my country believe that we should not establish relations with israel. (The reason they say is -because israel is killing palestinian muslims) I believe that we, as humans should coexist together peacefully.

            Democratic relations with cancer cells? !Israel is a malignant tumor in the Middle East, a criminal state that has committed numerous crimes against humanity since its inception.

            Peace,
            Edip

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              MUNZIR_ALI
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              oh no I really meant diplomatic relations. My bad. &

              please reply

              thanks & peace peace

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                Edip_Yuksel
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                oh no I really meant diplomatic relations. My bad. &
                please reply
                thanks & peace peace

                Does not matter. Though I typed your word, I meant "democratic relations"

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                  Ahmad_Bilal
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                  Israel is an illegal state/entity, so I do not see how relations can be made as any agreements it enters into or that are made with it are ultimately null & void.

                  I agree... handshake

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    Does not matter. Though I typed your word, I meant "democratic relations"

                    Why are the terrorists in palestine any better?

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                      IronSky
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                      yes, they dont have nuclear bombs that threaten the entire world

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                        Edip_Yuksel
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                        Why are the terrorists in palestine any better? )

                        Better? In what regard? If you were subjected to humiliation, massacres like them, if your home was demolished, your brother or cousin was killed by Israeli soldier, your land was grabbed by racist Zionists, your travel was restricted by them, you were separated from your neighbor and family by walls and wires, you were detained on whim and tortured in their prisons, you were forced to wait in line for hours to prove them that you are no threat to their occupation and subjugation of you, then probably you would be a "terrorist too".

                        How many times did you use the word terrorist to depict Israelis? If Palestinians are terrorists, then Israelis are 777 times more terrorists. So, even if you look at quantitatively, you need to mention Israel terrorism 777 times until your numerically justified to utter Palestinian terrorism. ;D

                        Peace,
                        Edip

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                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                          Better? In what regard? If you were subjected to humiliation, massacres like them, if your home was demolished, your brother or cousin was killed by Israeli soldier, your land was grabbed by racist Zionists, your travel was restricted by them, you were separated from your neighbor and family by walls and wires, you were detained on whim and tortured in their prisons, you were forced to wait in line for hours to prove them that you are no threat to their occupation and subjugation of you, then probably you would be a "terrorist too".

                          How many times did you use the word terrorist to depict Israelis? If Palestinians are terrorists, then Israelis are 777 times more terrorists. So, even if you look at quantitatively, you need to mention Israel terrorism 777 times until your numerically justified to utter Palestinian terrorism. ;D

                          Peace,
                          Edip

                          didn't the british make israel. If so are they to blame.

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                            Recluse
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                            Why are the terrorists in palestine any better? )

                            I used to think like that when I was younger, but that changed once I learned the truth about Zionism and Israel's crimes against humanity. I suggest reading Norman Finkelstein's articles and books;
                            http//www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?ar=10&pg=4

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                              didn't the british make israel. If so are they to blame.

                              The Zionists promised the British government that they would bring the United States to Britain's help during WW1 if the British government would grant Palestine as a homeland for Jews. this is where we get the Balfour declaration. the British Government agreed and the Zionists delivered by demonizing Germany and the Ottomans in the press, and by the Jew banking families putting pressure on president Wilson. The economies of both the US and UK as well as many other nations are at the mercy of the Zionist bankers (Rothschild and other Jew banking families) who create money from thin air and loan it to the governments at an interest rate. Both the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve are private institutions OWNED by Zionist Jews.

                              "Give me control over a nation's currency, and I care not who makes the laws"
                              Mayer Rothschild

                              When in comes to USA and UK, Zionist Jews have been steering the ship for quite some time

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                                noble
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                                in view of what the "muslims" are at these days, Israel is exactly where it should be.
                                the question of diplomatic relations is irrelevant, as the entities who will do the relations are as valid as the country Israel itself.
                                and btw, the name of a noble Prophet used to name the country is cynical, it should be called Zion.
                                as for the palestinians, accepting to be named this way and their country palestine, just helps to revive the old archetype of whence David slain Goliath when the Philistines were the enemies of the muslims who were then on earth the jews under their prophets, it is just making some being self righteous, and others accepting a roman name that is actually highly demeaning, and has anti biblical connotations... the overlooked irony... well that's Satan for you, the master of disguise...

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                                  My government wants to set up democratic relations with israel because we didn't have relations before.
                                  I'm not against it, but parliment members and most people in my country believe that we should not establish relations with israel. (The reason they say is -because israel is killing palestinian muslims)
                                  I believe that we, as humans should coexist together peacefully.

                                  Peace,
                                  Respectfully.

                                  I agree, brother, honestly.
                                  If Maldives creates democratic/diplomatic relations with Israel, that doesn't mean or won't mean that both countries will be exchanging students or land or praying together or whatever. It's politics and let's give everyone a fair chance.

                                  Remember this, brother rely on God, trust God - you can never fail.
                                  God bless you.
                                  Peace.

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                                    I know of no country that has established "diplomatic relations" with Israel and has benefitted in any way whatsoever. In fact, diplmatic realtions with the racist and apartheid state of of the sionazis is a byword for "allegiance to zionism and racial jewish supremacy". That is what it is. If anybody saw rationality in breaking relations with aprtheid SouthAfrica and then finds it clever to open "diplomatic raltions" with Israel, then they are missing a few bolts in their brain. What a hrebrained idea. Israel, apart from being and illegal state from all points of view, is also a parasite state for anybody who entertains it. A state that can keep existing because it sucks up everybody else's ressources. If it wern't by the subsiedies of all kinds it gets from its "partners" there would be no Israel long ago.

                                    Go ahead with that allegiance, in time you will get to know what it means. And may be you will be entitled to such a mediatic and propagandistic brainwash that you will even love it. Habit may make even abjection lovable.

                                    Salaam

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                                      hope4
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                                      My government wants to set up democratic relations with israel because we didn't have relations before.

                                      I'm not against it, but parliment members and most people in my country believe that we should not establish relations with israel. (The reason they say is -because israel is killing palestinian muslims)

                                      I believe that we, as humans should coexist together peacefully.

                                      Peace Munzir Ali

                                      A very well know saying Keep your friends close to you, but keep your enemies EVEN CLOSER!

                                      Peace

                                      Hope

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                                        Recluse
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                                        I know of no country that has established "diplomatic relations" with Israel and has benefitted in any way whatsoever.

                                        In Turkey, some people believe that we have benefitted tremendously in terms of military technology. I oppose these relations, even if it's true.

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                                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                                          Peace Munzir Ali

                                          A very well know saying Keep your friends close to you, but keep your enemies EVEN CLOSER!

                                          Peace

                                          Hope

                                          handshake thankyou

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