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    Recluse
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    Salaam,

    if you can not explain it, it is blind faith, and this is the reason others have a problem with what you propagate, if you, using reason can establish why you believe in this God concept, others will have nothing to question, they, even if they do not agree with your reasoning, will accept it is a reasoned point of view, without reasoning you are open to ridicule and attack, as blind faith is a worthless and non-productive perspective, simply self-delusion.

    Salaam,

    Well, I can't do that since I'm not an Islamic scholar and don't speak Arabic.

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      MUNZIR_ALI
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      Salaam,

      Well, I can't do that since I'm not an Islamic scholar and don't speak Arabic.

      Think about the creations of GOD. Think about what the quran says on things, i.e. scientific facts (revealed 1400 years before) is now proven true

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        Recluse
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        Think about the creations of GOD. Think about what the quran says on things, i.e. scientific facts (revealed 1400 years before) is now proven true

        Ask any atheist scientist about those scientific facts in the Qur'an, and he will tell you that it's utter nonsense.

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          MUNZIR_ALI
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          Ask any atheist scientist about those scientific facts in the Qur'an, and he will tell you that it's utter nonsense.

          He must be full of nonsense himself, because the quran contains many scientific facts.

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            Yosemite
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            Ask any atheist scientist about those scientific facts in the Qur'an, and he will tell you that it's utter nonsense.

            he would settle for litteral understanding and will say that what is in the quran doesnt mean anything
            and a translated litteral understanding

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              Abdun_Nur
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              Salaam,

              I have explained the concept of God, and the alternative concept of Allah at length on my website
              http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/27/
              I have explained the correct physics, based on Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, Bearden, etc., to understand the physical universe
              http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/10/34/
              I have explained the constitution of Allah, meaning the system underlying ours manifest universe
              http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/124/
              I have explained the system open to all that allowed Muhammad to connect to the underlying truth of Allah
              http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/47/1/
              I have explained the structure of the human soul in relation to the systems explained above
              http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/107/139/
              I have explained many other things, based on a reasoned perspective based on the evidence available at thia time.

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                Yaqub
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                You have a great website, nicework.

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                  Sarat
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                  Peace,

                  When we read the Qur'an, it constantly gives us stories, anecdotes, and sayings about how those who obsess over material possessions and those who define themselves through their materialism are doomed to failure as a direct result of their greed. Its no secret that greed is the leading cause of human conflict, and has led to the destruction of virtually every former society in history.

                  I believe that it is human nature to allow material objects to become the object of our worship. Hence, when the Qur'an says worship not but me, its basically saying, don't let money, cars, camels, mates, homes, land, etc become the focus of your life. If you are going to worship something, at least worship the one thing in this universe that encompasses everything. Hence the concept of Tawheed (roughly meaning the oneness of God). By saying "there is no God but God" we are basically saying that the only thing worthy of worship is God (a non-tangible non-material object) and the stronger our devotion to God, the less we are effected by the temptation of greed for material possessions.

                  In a sense devoting oneself to God is akin to devoting yourself to humanity. All the duties prescribed to believers in the Qur'an all refer to activities that help out humanity. Fasting, Salat, charity, taking care of the environment, pilgrimage, taking care of orphans, establishing justice in the land, being fair to other people, speaking out against injustice, etc these are all things that are promoted in the Qur'an as duties of the believer. The more Taqwa (God consciousness) we have the more we feel a STRONG urge to engage in these activities.

                  Anyway, that's how I justify my belief in God.

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                    Abdun_Nur
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                    Salaam Sarat,

                    I find this strange obsession afflicting the religious, they wish to worship, pray, pay tax, chop the hands off thieves, stone, lash, beat and kill in the name of God, they see this God as vengeful and filled with retribution, they, the religious, refuse to apply any reason, wishing to only use verse upon verse applied to every application they think appropriate, they justify Riba, bigamy and subjugation, they hold non-religious people in contempt, they see themselves as pious and superior, they subjugate those around them to conform to their perspective, with compulsion, if within their power, all in the name of God.

                    Yet 'There is No God.' is the very foundation of Islam.

                    Now the religious say but Allah means The God, again this is not true, in fact Allah means Not God, there is a marked and insurmountable difference between the concept of God and that of Allah.

                    The religious do not want to understand the concept of God, just as much as they do not wish to understand the concept of Allah, unfortunately the very foundation of Islam must be understood correctly before you can comprehend the real truths.

                    What is interesting is the concept of Allah is a million times deeper, richer and most importantly provable, the concept of God has not a single shred of proof, as it is a concept based on subjugation, if you wish to live in ignorance and subjugation continue to follow the concept of a God, but reflect on the state of the world today, due to this very false understanding.

                    I have written a detailed explanation of the two conflicting concepts and I have posted links to them in a few previous posts around this website.

                    I am fully aware a religious subjugator can not apply any reason, judgement upon physical evidence, or comprehend anything outside of the dogma ingrained within them, I feel sorrow for these people, but more so for the ones they misdirect, with pride, into the same confusion they suffer.

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                      Sarat
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                      Peace Abdun Nur,

                      I find this strange obsession afflicting the religious, they wish to worship, pray, pay tax, chop the hands off thieves, stone, lash, beat and kill in the name of God, they see this God as vengeful and filled with retribution, they, the religious, refuse to apply any reason, wishing to only use verse upon verse applied to every application they think appropriate, they justify Riba, bigamy and subjugation, they hold non-religious people in contempt, they see themselves as pious and superior, they subjugate those around them to conform to their perspective, with compulsion, if within their power, all in the name of God.

                      It only makes sense that this would be the development of many religious traditions, despite the fact that their original scriptures don't condone many of the activities that have become integral parts of their traditional understanding. Why? Because it all goes back to controlling people. If a people become religious and "God fearing" then there's no better way to control them than to convince them that God wants them to do what "you" want them to do, rather than actually doing what is actually good for your fellow man. As we all know, everything comes back to asserting and controlling power.

                      Hence, creating laws, and corporal punishments based on the concept of a divine God made complete sense to the ruling authorities. Instead of God being an all "encompassing concept" (this is a temporary term I use to describe something I have not found a way of describing adequately yet), he is instead turned into a figure of "retribution rage" to justify the material desires of powerful men. In the West we have seen a negative reaction to the clergy, and western countries tend to insist that the clergy be kept far away from places of power because of this historical abuse of power, or perceived abuse of power.

                      Finally, I think I understand where you are coming from with your assertion that "there is no God." And that the concept of Allah is far deeper than the simple understanding of "God."

                      In any case my thoughts on the matter are still a bit immature. If you could provide the links to your writings on the matter I'd appreciate that.

                      Update I see you've posted them a few posts above.

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                        Abdun_Nur
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                        Salaam Sarat,

                        I think you?ll find the sovereigns work hard to make the population God fearing and religious, it serves them well to subjugate the peoples through this most effective tool. You think I wish to inflict my personal views upon people, I don?t care if you accept what I say as true, I?m only required to present the truth, its not my problem if no one on earth is interested, my view is based upon the Qur?an as a Deen, free of any religion.

                        Islam is not a religion, just as much as Allah is not a God.

                        You say law will control people, this is subjugation, as is clear in the world today these laws the centralised authority has manufactured to control their fellow man, serve only to subjugate the weak and powerless, they do nothing to protect or defend the innocent.

                        There are two base foundations, these are things that must be prevented from existing

                        You can have absolutely no sovereign.
                        You must have absolutely no Usury.

                        No matter what else you do after these two things are refused as a people, you will never be enslaved.

                        There are foundations to establishing a correct society

                        The establishment of an allodial ownership system.
                        The establishment of a monetary system based on physical labour.
                        The establishment of small network communities, with no centralised authority, and no local leaders, a system of communal decisions underpinned by Qur?anic law.

                        I have explained these systems on my website if you wish to understand these ideas further.

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