You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
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peace my dear bros and sisters, group
no offense meant for any particular individual, but i am feeling sorry for those living the last 1300 years thinking The Creator was truthful while they were being lied to and their book was corrupted, turn on the detector again its your lucky day. peaceSomehow I find it difficult to believe that the creator can maintain obscenely perfect precision over 3x1080 cubic metres of space from the microscopic to the galactic for 14 billion years but then fails to keep a mere 6000 lines of text intact for a millenium. Rather than turning on the detector, may I suggest switching on your brain?
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Peace OPF, may i suggest that you turn on the detector and realise that all my remarks were sarcastic implying exactly what you stated in your post minus the theoritical numbers. I agree with you completly on what you stated. peace and love my bro/sis
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I should have known from the first post
peace
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Somehow I find it difficult to believe that the creator can maintain obscenely perfect precision over 3x1080 cubic metres of space from the microscopic to the galactic for 14 billion years but then fails to keep a mere 6000 lines of text intact for a millenium. Rather than turning on the detector, may I suggest switching on your brain?
But no matter what happens in those 3*10 to the 80 cubic meters (surely an under estimate?) of space, no matter what changes, it in no way detracts from the power of God. Everything inside the universe is constantly changing, and that is a sign of God's greatness and creativity. Surely, if the same is true of the Quran, and it is also changing, that is even more a sign of God's omnipotence?
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The estimate is merely the volume of the observable universe, due to the expansion we cannot actually compute the volume of the universe (if there is even such a thing).
As for the changing quran - no it is not a sign of God's omnipotence. While everything is in flux, it obeys a single unchanging law. There is no reason why the quran needs to change if the writer is the creator of all - a human can write a maths book which was valid 10 billion years ago and will be in any future, how then can you say the creator is subject to limitation?
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The idea of an unchanging Quran is an attempt to subject God to a limitation, the limitation of the worlds, letters, numbers and symbols of the Quran. The reason why God does not come to earth and make it absolute and unchanging is the same as the reason why God did not come to earth and father a child with Mary, mother of Jesus. It isn't in God's nature to behave like that.
God doesn't need Jesus nor the Quran to give human beings his guidance when he chooses to do so. God can deliver it directly into the heart, mind, soul, feelings and conscience of the Believer. This is what I see the Quran written down as being, the guidance from God recieved by the prophet, not infinite and unchanging, but still very wide, aware, noble and useful.
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The idea of an unchanging Quran is an attempt to subject God to a limitation, the limitation of the worlds, letters, numbers and symbols of the Quran. The reason why God does not come to earth and make it absolute and unchanging is the same as the reason why God did not come to earth and father a child with Mary, mother of Jesus. It isn't in God's nature to behave like that.
God doesn't need Jesus nor the Quran to give human beings his guidance when he chooses to do so. God can deliver it directly into the heart, mind, soul, feelings and conscience of the Believer. This is what I see the Quran written down as being, the guidance from God recieved by the prophet, not infinite and unchanging, but still very wide, aware, noble and useful.
This quote nicely sums up my approach to Islam. Though I am not adding much to the discussion, I think this quote makes the thread worth reviving.
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Peace
The Arabic quran does not change. Its interpretation always adapts with the times but the surest of truth is contained in the quran and no futile human wishes will change that. The sooner you deal with this fact of the very reality that ALLAH has placed you in by his supreme grace the better for all of us.