"Majority of People" in the view of Quran
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;D what a consensus, i hope you kids weren't pointing your fingers to each other and say to 'GTH!' (heh, use it for either H)
A worthy reminder that is, and one we often need in this forum, it seems...
Well, we were little kids, I remember thinking that two girls in my class (who were mean bullies) were headed for hellfire laugh
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But where is it guaranted that majority of those people who identify themselves as muslims in the world will not find their way into the Hell-Prison?
The residents of the worst part/class of Hell Prison are neither Idol worshippers, nor people of the Book, nor atheists, nor even Iblis. They are only from those who claim to be believers and muslim, and are known/identified in the world as momin, believer, muslim but Allah named them Muna'fi'qeen. Except Muslim/Believing society they are nowhere found in the whole universe.Right, Mazhar, the hypocrites seem to get the worst, the deepest hell, as mentioned in one verse of sura Nisaa' IIRC.
May God protect us from nifaq/hypocrisy. I guess there is no way we can feel safe from it until our death.
However, that was a clipped part of the author's comment--i was pointing mainly to the hellfire prejudice. You would need to address it to the author, in the you-know-where thread.
Peace
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Muna'fi'qeen. Except Muslim/Believing society they are nowhere found in the whole universe.
Right, Mazhar, the hypocrites seem to get the worst, the deepest hell, as mentioned in one verse of sura Nisaa' IIRC.
Muna'fi'qeen is not equivalent to hypocrites since they could be in any society but Muna'fi'qeen are only in muslim society. We should not use it as translation.
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Muna'fi'qeen is not equivalent to hypocrites since they could be in any society but Muna'fi'qeen are only in muslim society. We should not use it as translation.
I know that it is not exact, but i thought they have similar qualities, don't they? the lies, the oath-breaking, and the disbelieving after believing--right, that's where it differs, isn't it?
Almunafiqiyn must have believed at once and then they die as disbelievers...
Also (i'm referring to Sura 63 Almunafiquwn) they have the arrogance (mustakbiruwn), are Alfasiqiyn, and they would delay charity until just before death.
I better do some counteract, my heart is shrinking reading these...
Thanks for the pointer, Mazhar. btw, do you know what Alfasiqiyn is described with, in the Book--as translation for this term doesn't seem to be consistent? I mean, what actions they woud commit etc?
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Salaamun alaikum San,
Firstly, my condolences on your discussion with your 'lovely mate' Maybe you can understand now that some people are just horrible and softness with them merely turns them into worse monsters. Such people need to be exposed for the sickos they are.
Your friend cannot think beyond 'her' nose and thinks the Quran supports the people who in the world we call 'Muslims' (sunnis, shia, salafee etc). It does not. In my opinion, here's the conceptual path you need to investigate in order to understand what Quran means by 'majority of people do not believe'.
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Who is a muslim?
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Does being a muslim mean you go to heaven?
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Referring to question 2 above, what then is a mumin.
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Read on events of judgement day. What are the terms used (ashab al-maymanah, ashab al-mash'amah and al-muqarribeen in ch. 56, for example). Why are these terms used?. I think using judgement day and 'mapping backwards' helps us understand God's intentions better.
Good luck in your search. Don't bother about your 'lovely mate', i think the whole forum knows now what scum 'she' is.
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Wa'alaykum salam abdalquran,
Well, that was relieving in the end. I had to address her simply because she was interrupting a discussion on the thread i'm participating in. I did not intend to expose her. Such action is not needed. No, not softness, but rather, gentle, if you will.
She's not a horrible, she's not a monster, and she's not a sicko. She's just human, mate. Human is not a static. This thread was to point out that single thing--don't judge people.
If needed (and if i had the time), i would just address her in the same manner again, seeking what she really concerns and isolate the subject as necessary. That is proven more useful. To God belong His judgments, however. And I'd welcome her any day if she addressed me in a positive manner.
I am more interested in finding about 'God's loved groups' and all the people who are with them. Also the opposite, for countermeasure.
That Sura 56 is of course a favourite.
Good luck too, and no, my 'lovely mate' is not a scum--just a human.
Peace
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did you ever come across this? It's quite inspiring.
http//www.amriazi.com/userfiles/thewiseway.ppt
(great background music too)
especially the last part,
'you see, in the final analysis, it was between you and God, it was never between you and them anyway'
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I am more interested in finding about 'God's loved groups' and all the people who are with them. Also the opposite, for countermeasure.
That Sura 56 is of course a favourite
Yes, good idea. A more fundamental question is to ask, is 'God's loved groups' limited to even 'group'. I personally don't think so, I think it works individually and these individuals are a loose based group.
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Yes, good idea. A more fundamental question is to ask, is 'God's loved groups' limited to even 'group'. I personally don't think so, I think it works individually and these individuals are a loose based group.
In my very limited knowledge, mate, these "groups" ultimately form one "group", that is the people loved by God and who love their God. And who knows who's IN the group? God knows best, mate. Loose, yes, in our view, because we have no idea. Don't you think, though, that it's quite exact in God's view?
The idea is not to form a group of human as we know today and call it an Exclusive God Lovers Club. The idea is to follow God's lead and to do what those people are doing, as described in the Book.
And even though we have no exact idea of who's who (not even ourselves) in this world--still i don't get why we have to always be broken down to individuals. That wouldn't work as the people whom God loves, in my personal opinion. Have a look at 4829 -- notice "ruHamaA'u bainahum"? I think it works collectively instead of individually.
group instead of hypno nope tempt brickwall )
Peace.
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did you ever come across this? It's quite inspiring.
http//www.amriazi.com/userfiles/thewiseway.ppt
(great background music too)
especially the last part,
'you see, in the final analysis, it was between you and God, it was never between you and them anyway'
Great stuff, Sarah!
Forgive them anyway
Be kind anyway
Be honest and frank anyway
Be happy anyway
and if i may add --
when you invite people to the Mercy of God, they may show you the arrogance of 'i am better than you'
...Love GOD anyway ;D
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Really? Wouldn't this term also apply to hypocrites who claim they are Jewish or Christian (i.e. people of the Book?)
No, it will not apply to them while they retain their identity as Jew or Christian. The pre-requisite is that one must declare/claim before believers/muslims to have accepted belief in Allah, the Last Day and the Messenger Muhammad sallaalaihwasalm, deceptively, as was done for the first time by some Jews living in Madina. The first ever Muna'fi'qeen were from amongst the people of Bani Israel.
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In my very limited knowledge, mate, these "groups" ultimately form one "group", that is the people loved by God and who love their God. And who knows who's IN the group? God knows best, mate. Loose, yes, in our view, because we have no idea. Don't you think, though, that it's quite exact in God's view?
Yes, I see that too, that they ultimately form one group. I think this group is called 'mumineen' in Quran because without iman, all our actions are like ashes. So iman is the fundamental element in salvation. But again, I don't believe 'mumineen' are in a single group of people.
The idea is not to form a group of human as we know today and call it an Exclusive God Lovers Club. The idea is to follow God's lead and to do what those people are doing, as described in the Book.
In terms of action, I think it does involve forming a group of 'mumineen' but not to claim this group is the only group. Quran allows for the existence of multiple groups (and multiple methods, for that matter).
And even though we have no exact idea of who's who (not even ourselves) in this world--still i don't get why we have to always be broken down to individuals. That wouldn't work as the people whom God loves, in my personal opinion. Have a look at 4829 -- notice "ruHamaA'u bainahum"? I think it works collectively instead of individually.
Agreed about 48/29 but these aren't 'mumineen' but 'alladhi ma3a Muhammad' (those with Muhammad, if you read the context). I don't believe that this is daleel/proof to work collectively. Rather, it's a mode of working. I believe working individually is also possible and that each mumin should aim for establishing himself as a centre of good works.
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She's not a horrible, she's not a monster, and she's not a sicko. She's just human, mate. Human is not a static. This thread was to point out that single thing--don't judge people.Peace
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Well how about a terrorist how you will treat him???