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Enemies of Islam Join Sunnis and Shiites in Defence of Hadith and Sunna

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    Edip_Yuksel
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    By chance, I came acrross the following aritcle. First I thought it was written by Sunnis. But, a closer examination revealed that it was authored by the most ardent enemies of Muslims who promote wars and tortures against Muslims. Now they are now using the bankrupt Sunni arguments to reject God's sole autority in Islam by including the fabrications of Tabari, Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizi, Ibni Maja, Ibn Hanbal, Abu Dawud, Imams, Mullahs, Mawlahums etc.

    Peace,
    Edip


    Qur'an only Islam - Why it is not possible
    From WikiIslam

    Qur'an only Islam

    Within Islam the two largest sects are the Sunnis (approx 90%) and Shias (approx 10%). Together they make up almost the entirety of Islam. However, there is a small heretical group of Muslims who are collectively known as "Qur'an only Muslims". They reject the hadith (Oral traditions) and the sunnah (example) of Muhammad, an integral part of Islam, and are viewed by mainstream Islam in much the same way as the Jehovah's Witnesses are viewed by mainstream Christianity (i.e. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox etc). These "Qur'an only Muslims" reject this fundamental aspect of Islam simply due to it highlighting the immoral truths of Muhammad, early Islam and its numerous laws.

    Why it is not possible
    The "Qur'an only Muslims" have a major dilemma on their hands. Indeed, it is one of the reasons why reforms to Islam are an impossibility. The Qur'an alleges that it is entirely composed of Allah?s commands, not Muhammad?s, yet it orders Muslims to obey the Messenger. If you do not know what the Messenger had ordered, then this is impossible. The Qur?an also commands Muslims to follow the Messenger?s example, yet the only place this example is established is in the Sunnah. Without the Hadith, you cannot know Muhammad. Without knowing Muhammad, there is no Uswa Hasana. If you doubt the Hadith you are doubting the entirety of Islam, and are therefore apostate/murtad/kafir (whichever may apply).

    Islam means submission (contrary to popular belief that it means peace), and more specifically it means submission to the will of Allah. What is the will of Allah, one may ask. Qur'an-only Muslims would have us believe that the Qur'an clearly defines what exactly Allah's will is. Unfortunately this is not the case.

    For one thing, the Qur'an is full of contradictory verses and commands--sometimes commanding believers to seek out and kill pagans (Qur'an 95), other times commanding Muslims to leave pagans to practice their polytheistic religions in peace (Qur'an 1091-6).

    Without the Hadith, the Qur'an can be interpreted in multiple ways. The pacifist can decide to take from it a peaceful message by deliberately ignoring or twisting violent verses whereas the sadist can easily interpret a violent message by focusing on such verses as are found in Surah 9. Both Muslims could be selectively justified by the Qur'an because of its contradictory messages from Muhammad-in-Mecca versus Muhammad-in-Medina.

    To be a Qur'an-only Muslim requires a good deal of faith and a considerable lack of theological common sense. If one rejects the Hadith (ie. Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud), the Tafsir (ie. Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, al-Jalalayn, Maududi), and the History (ie. al-Tabari, Ibn Sa'd, al-Waqidi, Ibn Ishaq), then the entire historical context of the Qur'an, along with any proof of Muhammad's existence, is lost. It simply becomes an ancient Arabic document of rambling, repetitive, and often-times confusing, statements and commands. The reader is left with such questions as "Who wrote this and why?" and "Who is Abu Lahab, and why are he and his wife going to be tortured?" and "Why don't these stories match the ones found in the Bible?" and "Who is 'Isa?"

    The Qur'an-only Muslim is ultimately a monotheist who creates their own religion based on a 1400-year-old nonsensical Arabic document.

    Also, the Quran itself asks Muslims to obey Muhammad

    He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).

    Qur'an 480
    If hadiths are to be rejected, the Quran-only Muslim is going against the orders of the Quran because if a certain hadith contains a commandment from Muhammad, he will ignore it and disobey Muhammad. Therefore, hadiths cannot be rejected.

    The Five Pillars of Islam

    In fact, four out of five of Islam?s Pillars would not exist without the Hadith, therefore making Islam impossible to practice.

    Shahada
    Allah?s Apostle said ?Islam is based on (the following) five (principles)

    1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah?s Apostle.?

    Sahih Bukhari 127
    These are Muhammad's words and are not found within the Qur'an. Therefore, Islam?s First Pillar is utterly meaningless, and impossible to implement, without the work of Muslim historians Ibn Ishaq (704-770 AD) and al-Tabari (838-923 AD).

    Salat?2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.?

    Sahih Bukhari 127
    Once again, this is not feasible. The ?compulsory congregational prayer? is not described in the Qur?an at all. In fact, the Qur?an says that there should be three prayers, none of which it depicts, and the Hadith demands five. The only explanation of the obligatory prostration is found in the Sunnah, and even then it is never described by Muhammad himself. Muslims are performing a ritual without Qur?anic precedence. As such, the Second Pillar is rubble.

    Zakat?3. To pay Zakat.?

    Sahih Bukhari 127
    How is that possible when the terms of the Zakat are omitted from the Qur?an? The first to commit them to paper was Ishaq. A century later, Tabari referenced Ishaq?s Hadith. The only reason Muslims can pay the Zakat is because Ishaq explained it to them.

    Hajj
    ?4. To perform Hajj.?

    Sahih Bukhari 127
    Also impossible. The only explanations of the Hajj are found in the Sunnah. No aspect of the pilgrimage can be performed without referencing the Hadith. Muslims would be lost without it.

    Sawm of Ramadan?5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.?

    Sahih Bukhari 127
    Do you suppose Allah will redeem himself and explain the final pillar in his ?perfect, detailed, and final revelation to mankind??

    Though the Qur'an descibes the fast, without the Hadith, Muslims wouldn?t know why Ramadan was so special to them. The accounts of the meaning of Ramadan are in the Traditions, initially chronicled by Ishaq and then copied by Bukhari, Muslim, and Tabari.

    Strangely, the one pillar that is actually described in the Qur'an, is actually a borrowed pagan ritual Qusayy invented pre-dating Muhammad's Islam. Qusayy's family took a cut on merchandise sold during the ?truce of the gods? fairs of Ramadhan.

    Conclusion
    Islam without the Hadith and Sunnah of Muhammad is like Buddhism without the Buddha or Christianity without the Christ; It is not possible. Therefore, all of the controversial hadiths mentioned here have to be accepted by Muslims as a part of the history of Islam, just like the Qur'an. Moreover, even if this Qur'an-only approach were to be somehow accepted by the mainstream, we are still left with the problem that the Qur'an itself permits

    Hatred of Homosexuals
    Lying
    Pedophilia
    Polygamy
    Racism
    Religious discrimination
    Slavery and Rape
    Terrorism
    Violence against women
    References
    Comparison of Sunni and Shia Islam religionfacts.com
    See also
    Uswa Hasana
    Hadith and Sunnah
    Muhammad's Sunnah

    External links
    Debate - Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina - Dr. Edip Yuksel, is a prominent member of the submitters (Qur'an-Only Muslims).
    Retrieved from "http//www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur%27an_only_Islam_-_Why_it_is_not_possible"

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      abdalquran
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      This joker joined our mailing list in the late 90s to attack Islam and when he found we didn't accept hadith, he wrote this

      http//www.answering-islam.org/Misc/tradition.htm

      Quranism is scaring these hitler wannabes silly! Lol...

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        sarah2505
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        So now they will prescribe what we must or must not follow? Excellent. P

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          afridi220
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          So now they will prescribe what we must or must not follow? Excellent.

          Off course you must follow doctor prescriptions and don?t forget Jews are your descendants >(.

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            sarah2505
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            Off course you must follow doctor prescriptions and don?t forget Jews are your descendants >(.

            Jews are descendants? I don't get the joke

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              SubmitterToGOD
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              peace be upon you,

              is this a real article or a joke?

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                sarah2505
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                peace be upon you,

                is this a real article or a joke?

                real article, it's the answering-islam website

                not unexpected

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                  Jews are descendants? I don't get the joke

                  replace descendants with ancestors, and read again, you will get the joke.

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                    sarah2505
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                    oh, yes, appeal to tradition hail

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                      hope4
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                      Selam Edip and others

                      What will be interesting is to write something down explaining every point they made about Quran only followers and post it back to them. I am sure it will make their blood boil laugh

                      On another note but related, I wonder how many people in the forum can we mention as so called spies/trouble makers etc...

                      Peace

                      Hope

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                        sarah2505
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                        On another note but related, I wonder how many people in the forum can we mention as so called spies/trouble makers etc...

                        Peace

                        Hope

                        quite a number

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                          hope4
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                          quite a number

                          Im glad I am not the only one to spot them

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                            jibreel
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                            http//www.suicidecat.com/sketchy/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/sock_puppets_008.jpg

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                              Wakas
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                              This is good news, i.e. more publicity for the "Quran only" position.

                              Whenever I see such things, I am always reminded of...

                              First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Gandhi

                              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                This is good news, i.e. more publicity for the "Quran only" position.

                                Whenever I see such things, I am always reminded of...

                                First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Gandhi

                                Exactly. sun

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                                  MUNZIR_ALI
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                                  Is this a joke? racism allowed? Have they no knowledge of the Quran? Poor misguided souls. I pity them.

                                  Have they no common sense? Have they no brains? Have they got nothing but ignorance left in them?

                                  I could go on and on....------__________ ;D

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                                    adik_awang
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                                    The wikiIslam website sounds to me like an AliSinna creation. While pretending to be championing Islam, its main purpose is to denigrate it.

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                                      One thing that gets me so mad about Wikislam,Daniel Pipes,Salman Rushdie,Jihadwatch,Answering-Islam,etc....

                                      is why would they wast so much time hating Islam? Especially when its one of the greatest systems of "Government"/way of living?

                                      I never understood that. I used to be an Atheist who was always looking for the best way to live be it Communism, Socialism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, etc...
                                      Islam was the best solution, I dont know how others dont see that.

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                                        hope4
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                                        Just one word 'corruption'.

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                                          Salman Rushdie?
                                          Cause he can make money and because he saw the bad side of Sunnism.

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