Climategate!
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Peace all,
to jibreel, thanks for bringing this topic up and all... but i'm personally, seriously getting annoyed by your attitude in bringing this "discussion"--if there were ever an attempt towards that.
Do you feel it's always "you" or "I" against "the people"? Wonder why?
Since people apparently do not understand, or do not care, how important this is.
Read this you comfort creatures and act upon it.
I seriously need the posters on this forum to put down whatever stuff they are doing and get involved with this.
For those who do not care or just arent smart enough to figure it out (hello most of you!).
I am sorry if this disturb your important discussions about the finer nuances of drinking breast milk and the prophet hood of Mandela.
If any of you are in doubt about the seriousness of the situation -which i very much suspect is the case since only 2 other people apparently care for the future-
But take a look around you, understand peoples priorities and understand that there isnt a lot we can do. People want their rightious servitude under the devil while they talk 'the high speak' about how to follow God the best and whoms breasts to suckle.
Could you please work with these "they", "people", or "any/most of you" in a more civil and cooperative manner, if you really think this is an important issue--much more important than your own self/ego? Thank you.
Peace
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Yes, but is there a political ambition or a religious agenda behind it? Somebody has to benefit -- an industry or a conglomerate or a political faction or a religious order or an elitist group or somebody. Or is it an association that comprises of some or all of the above with greed being the only common ideology.
I raise this because unless you have like-minded individuals at least at the core of an effort, there is little likelihood of success. Maybe the information leak was a result of disgruntlement or disagreement.
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Could you please work with these "they", "people", or "any/most of you" in a more civil and cooperative manner, if you really think this is an important issue--
No! Let those who have ears hear, let those who have eye's see and let the rest go where their kind goes because they refuse reality, none of my problem or concern. This has got nothing to do with ego, and if you feel hit by the remarks, find a mirror and look into it. This is it. People have been throwing around useless terms like the new world order, the masons, the whatever, on little but gut instinct for a long time, but when evidence of not just conspiracy, but an enormous one, that goes through all layers of society hits us right in the face, we go on with our business as usual. If you cannot see why this is a completely fucked up behaviour I am almost saddened that I even took the time to write this on this forum. But yeah...let's just look into the back of the guy in front and follow the large majority in their self chosen ignorance about the workings of the world. This is the last i will write about his here. 'The people' have chosen obviously and no amount of care or provocation can wake them up from their slumber. I am not responsible for you people, if you want to serve other than God (even if it is by proxy) by all means. knock yourself out. But when the horrible reality of what you did (by doing nothing) hit you like the pains of labour on a pregnant woman, do not say nobody came to warn you!
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(*if you find my language coarse and rude, here please take one, it is one me)edit Just because I am wondering. If there is a fire in your house and the first fireman in shouts at you to GTFO!!! do you refuse because he wasn't polite? The logic here is just mind blowing!!!
Yes, but is there a political ambition or a religious agenda behind it? Somebody has to benefit -- an industry or a conglomerate or a political faction or a religious order or an elitist group or somebody. Or is it an association that comprises of some or all of the above with greed being the only common ideology.
The ideology of wealth witch at a certain point becomes the ideology of power when you have all the ferraris, all the houses, all the yatches, all the women, all the hounds, all the horses. Then there is one thing left...all the power. The core philosophy of evil. These gangsters we call the world elite have been at that point for a long time. Some of them represent what i view as an inner core, then there is outer rings of people who still do not have all the 'stuff', so that is their motivation to get in on it. Then there is another outer ring of politicians who just want 'more stuff and more power' but who are far from in the elite, and then there are all the useless idiots who do not think a single thought for themselves ever in their life who will go and propagate the happy message.
In this climategate scandal I still believe that the scientsits has been set up as fall guys. They got a lot of grant money but who can blame them for that? They were in on it, but are not the creators of the hysteria or the politics that is the truely worrysome part of this. If their science is wrong, it will show. it is not like they put those money in their own pockets. I am not even sure they are entirely wrong in their ideas or conclusions to be honest! This climategate scandal is about so much more than a handful of mails (and some very interesting programmer notes). It reveals a press that is either "in on it" or so lazy as to be utterly useless for their intended purpose. It reveals a large majority of politicians who could not get green enough and who all paraded the message in the hope for the easy vote. After all caring for the environment IS a good thing, so if I was a politician I would properbly try that one too for a little free (gratis) points, but they did so at the cost of the job they are paid to do. All the lobbyists, which ones of them had the power to push the hysteria through? All the banks who accepted cap and trade into the world of finance with no second thought (it is a new valuta, nothing less). It reveals that the whole thing was driven forward on greed, power mongering and the expected and never failing stupidity of the masses. Just like usual, nothing new here besides....we got to look at it this time, it was exposed naked and that is something new! Well thegod, now you know. I may be wrong in several of my conclusions so do not take my word for anything. Go research and tell the world. All those around you, in the forums you know of.
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All the sources we have in this thread... thanks God they have been communicating what they MUST with a completely CIVIL and PRODUCTIVE manner. LEARN FROM THEM. Thank you for bringing this warning message your own style.
jibreel the fireman, well said and fare well.
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CBS http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIEQqLokL8
Our lord and saviour Obama's Administration Dismisses Climategate, Vows to Press Forward With Endangerment Finding; http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMmzTohxefw <-that is not very suspicious at all
http//epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=570e6fbc-802a-23ad-4fe9-2dc2fcac8475&Issue_id=12 Days, 3 Networks and No Mention of ClimateGate Scandal
Even as Copenhagen looms, broadcast news ignores e-mails suggesting warming alarmists 'manipulated' data, conspired to destroy information and thwarted peer reviews; http//www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20091202135822.aspx -
Sarah Palin and Michael Savage seem to be anti-AGW. That's not to say that if you see the devil praise the Lord you should stop praising the Lord, but it's hard to imagine them having any philanthropic interest in this.
I have had the same worry about Lord Monckton. Not only do I not take seriously, people who use 'Lord' instead of their name. The guy is a spitting image of a 'free-marked' goon. Obviously companies would rather be free of this ludicris taxation on the air we breathe. I don't blame them. So would I, because the instant they start paying, I start paying! where do you think they are going to send these extra expenses to? They (companies hurt by the lunacy) are the reason this went from being a small scandal about hackers and openness in science to become Climategate I reckon. This could have ended up in the 9/11, new world order drawer, but some of the big players had too much at stake to keep it quiet so now it is blowing up. And Obama and Co will have to make legislation based on cooked numbers, knowingly, and I think this might just end up coming back to bite him in the a...ear. edit; you didn't seriously think that 'we the people' had anything to do with it do you? look around and watch the apathy
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Oh, just that this has taken on the looks of a mysterious and sordid affair. Money, manipulative scientists, more money, unidentified hacker, more money, a lucky break at an opportune time, more money, a concerted effort that seems set on not allowing quick dissemination of "climategate," more money, believers, more money, deniers, more money, the Copenhagen conference, more money.
The only certainty would seem to be a catastrophe somewhere and in some form.
Let's enjoy in the meanwhile.