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What does the word "tafath" تفث in 22:29 mean?

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    herbman
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    update of my previous post

    the basic meaning of seems to be the act of emptying

    to words can be found this etymon

    which means "emptying a basket full of date fruit"

    and

    which can be found in 1134

    and means "to blow", you empty your air!

    the sound generated by the etymon without any vocals seems to copy the sound emited when blowing.

    hope it helps

    peace

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      ayman
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      Peace Jack and Herbman,

      Not sure if this will be of much help...
      Source Dictionary of the Quran
      Perhaps there is a connection with purifying the house ? Just a thought.

      This is one of the possible meanings but it contradicts the other meanings given by Lisan Alarab.

      I think that given the sequential nature implied by the word "thum" (then) which means that the actions in 2228 should happen before 2229, I would say that it has a connection with 2196 which also has a sequential dependency.

      So "tafath" needs to happen after "witnessing benefits and using the livestock to eat and feed the hungry" in the same way that "7aliqoo ro'ooskm" needs to happen after the livestock has reached its end place (has already been consumed). So I would say that "tafath" is equivalent to "7aliqoo ro'oosikm" and perhaps this connection can help us understand both better. Right now it seems to lean towards cutting the hair but I am not sure.

      Hebrew meanings are usually closer to the Proto-Semitic two letter root. Herbman, given that the term "hagg" is borrowed from Hebrew, it might be that a concept related to "hagg" such as "tafath" is also borrowed from Hebrew and this is why the Classical Arabic dictionaries are confused about it (same as their confusion with "hagg&quot. Do you know or anyone here knows what "tafath" may mean in Hebrew?

      Peace,

      Ayman

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        Cushan
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        There's a couple of words in Hebrew that could vaguely be connected to tafath in a root sense (to be lazy, or take small steps), but not in a way that seems very meaningful to me. I'm not fluent in Hebrew, though so maybe I'm missing it.

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          noble
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          Peace Bro Ayman,
          I think tafath here means wasakhdirt (accumulated from being hurum) at the end of the period, so yakthu tafathahum means permission now to clean/remove the dirt accumulated after the required hurum period for the believers.
          Probably this is not binding for the non-believers...

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            MUNZIR_ALI
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            In my language (dhivehi) "thafath" means "difference between"

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              Mazhar
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              Peace Jack and Herbman,

              This is one of the possible meanings but it contradicts the other meanings given by Lisan Alarab.

              I think that given the sequential nature implied by the word "thum" (then) which means that the actions in 2228 should happen before 2229, I would say that it has a connection with 2196 which also has a sequential dependency.

              So "tafath" needs to happen after "witnessing benefits and using the livestock to eat and feed the hungry" in the same way that "7aliqoo ro'ooskm" needs to happen after the livestock has reached its end place (has already been consumed). So I would say that "tafath" is equivalent to "7aliqoo ro'oosikm" and perhaps this connection can help us understand both better. Right now it seems to lean towards cutting the hair but I am not sure.

              Peace,

              Ayman

              The verb also leads to above understanding.
              "Thereafter the consumption/disposal of sacrifice they should/may remove respectively their dirt/hair by shaving/ or shaving of side hair if bald "

              "and you people should not shave your heads until they/sacrificial mammal reach the destined point/consumed-distributed"

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                unknownuser
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                I read somewhere that it means "to nag or complain".

                So basically, congregations of people would come to the Sanctuary, feed the poor, trade their goods, pay their dues, and "yaqdoo tafathahum" (to spill their complaints about problems they are facing) to the central authority.

                I'll try to get the source for you.

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                  Wakas
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                  peace Bro Ayman, all,

                  M.A. Draz regards it as "needful rituals regarding the cleansing and care of one's body and comfort." which seems plausible in my view.

                  If we look at the sequence of 2228-29 we have ...eat and feed the needy/poor thereafter let them their TFTH and fulfil their vows and go about/among the ancient/freed/liberated house...

                  After one eats, one usually washes up, relaxes, gets comfortable etc and the sequence suggests the ending of what is going on, and once done, they are free to roam about the place. This meaning also explains why traditional translations have it as complete their rites because it is discussing the ending of the formal activities.

                  If a suitable translation can be found remaining true to the grammar, i.e. "their TFTH", then the above seems to fit.

                  I have not studied it in detail however.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    ayman
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                    Peace brother Wakas,

                    M.A. Draz regards it as "needful rituals regarding the cleansing and care of one's body and comfort." which seems plausible in my view.
                    If we look at the sequence of 2228-29 we have ...eat and feed the needy/poor thereafter let them their TFTH and fulfil their vows and go about/among the ancient/freed/liberated house...
                    After one eats, one usually washes up, relaxes, gets comfortable etc and the sequence suggests the ending of what is going on, and once done, they are free to roam about the place. This meaning also explains why traditional translations have it as complete their rites because it is discussing the ending of the formal activities.
                    If a suitable translation can be found remaining true to the grammar, i.e. "their TFTH", then the above seems to fit.
                    I have not studied it in detail however.

                    Thank you for clarifying this meaning. I think it makes sense. The only remaining question is how does "7aleqoo ro'ooskm" fit with this aspect of getting comfortable and relaxing? It sounds like it maybe that "7aleqoo ro'oosokm" could be somewhat similar like "lay down your hats".

                    Peace,

                    Ayman

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                      Wakas
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                      peace brother Ayman,

                      As you may recall, you and I discussed that term before, and that is still my view, however, my recent studies have suggested that it may refer to "chiefs", i.e. leader of a group. The latter sequence of events in AQ seem to describe the coming together of a confederation of sorts.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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