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SBH -sabih/tasbih praising?

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    san
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    salam,

    ok no illa there but I still think it's an expression, do you think it's literal?

    Of course it is an expression, but is it an exaggeration? We can see the pattern, from your own list

    1911 Bukatan ? waashiyan/ morning and night
    3342 Bukratan ? waasila/ morning and evening
    4055 Bilaashiyya ? waalibkar/ night and morning
    5039 Qabl tuloa alshamasi ? waqqble ghuroobi / Before the sun rises and before it sets
    5040 wa min alayli/ and at night
    5248 hena takoom/ when you rise up (any time? Though I assume morning because of the following verse)
    5249 wamin alayli/ and at night
    7626 wasabihou laylan taweelan/ long in the night
    2436 bilghaduwi - waalasali/ morning and evening
    489 bukratan ? waasila/ morning and evening
    3017 Heena tamsoona wa heena tusbihoona ? (tamsoona? not sure what it is) And when you rise up

    "hina tamsuna" = when you-reach-evening
    "hina tuSbiHuna" = when you-reach-morning
    http//quran.uk.net/Documentation/VerbKaana.aspx

    also
    20130 wasabbih bihamdi rabbika qabla tulooAAi ashshamsi waqabla ghuroobiha wamin ana-i allayli fasabbih waatrafa annahari laAAallaka tarda

    If it were "all day and all night", then yes it'd be impossible for us to take it literally, assuming "sabbiH" requires our consciousness of God.

    Look at the list again. Continuity/all-time when awake and conscious is still possible, but definitely not more than that (sleep, rest etc). As far as "layl" is concerned, it's delimited with "min" (denoting "part of&quot and in 7626, it's suggested to sabbiH "long" in the night--still that doesn't necessarily mean the whole night. And what about in the day, is it actually continuous/all-day long?

    Call it subjective but let's try this short list

    early in the morning (bukratan/ibkar, Guduw, SubH/tusSbiHun, qabl tulu Alshams, ...)
    afternoon-evening (ASila/ASali, qabl Gurub, `ishaa'/Ashiyyan, tamsuna, ...)
    part of the night (min Allayl, laylan Tawilan, ...)

    "hina taqum", "Atrafan-nahari" ... would easily fit in the above

    What about 2119-20? It tells us something different--suggesting "day and night" continuously "without tiring", but wait--who are they? Are they humans? (2119) "man `indahu". nope maybe not earthlings...

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      Peace san

      @someone interesting on Hamd. By solicitation/incitement, do you mean in the sense of du`a? Even so, i think "praise/thank" is still an integral part of Hamd. It just feels right to say AlHamdulillah when you realize you've received something from your Lord, isn't it? I'll look into it again insha Allah.

      I don't think it is like du'a, in the sense that we are never required to perfom hamd, like "ihmadou allah..." is never used, while "oud'ou allaha..." is used in alquran.

      on sabbaHa, let's try it...

      "fasabbiHhu"? (5040) And of the night then evolve/move/act Him...? That doesn't make sense, don't you think so?

      CMIIW but when said "fasabbiH biHamdi/bi'ismi rabbika", it's actually "fasabbiH ... rabbika" -- i.e., the object for the verb sabbiH is (always) "rabbika". "biHamdi/bi'ismi" only explains the verb not the object.

      My understanding is not yet well established, I am open to any other alternative that fits better.

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        Does Mustansir Mir explain the idioms?

        I forgot to say, Mustansir Mir does not include this idiom, to my knowledge. However, he specifically states at the start of the book he has not included all idioms of AQ. Only those well attested to or more well known.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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