17:7 - Al-Masjid Could Be Al-Masajid
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The beginning of surah 17 outlines 2 prophecies for the Israelites. In 177 it is generally assumed that the forces sent against them enter al-masjid (singular), but the oldest copies of the Quran did not have vocalizations to prevent us from reading the word in its plural form (al-masajid).
General Assumption
(177) They will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter al-masjid (The Worship Center) as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.Possibility
(177) They will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter al-masajid (The Worship Centers) as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.Isn't it possible that the invading army would enter all the Israelite worship centers in their invasion? Is there any reason we must assume the word is singular?
I think it is like this.......
..............and they will enter into combat/action as they did the first time..........
Armies don't go just to enter centres of worship, rather they try to avoid such a thing, don't they? yes
but peace to you.
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Peace,
caus ethe plural is written differently than the singular, have a look
plural e.g 2114
singular e.g 2144
as you see spelleing is different so no way you can miss it.
regards
Peace. Actually, the spelling you pasted for 2114 is incorrect; there is no Alif in the verse. The plural form is not spelled with an Alif, it is merely vocalized differently in more modern copies of the Quran.
Correct 2114 plural
If we (a) examine properly spelled copies of the Quran and (b) refer to the oldest, unvocalized copies, I see no reason why 177 could not refer to the invaders entering al-masajid (plural).
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Peace. Actually, the spelling you pasted for 2114 is incorrect; there is no Alif in the verse. The plural form is not spelled with an Alif, it is merely vocalized differently in more modern copies of the Quran.
Correct 2114 plural
If we (a) examine properly spelled copies of the Quran and (b) refer to the oldest, unvocalized copies, I see no reason why 177 could not refer to the invaders entering al-masajid (plural).
He correctly spelled it. There is a dagger aleph.
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And who acts more unjustly than the one who forbids that in Allah's mosques Allah's name should be celebrated and he strives for ruining their sanctity? It was not befitting that such people should themselves have entered therein except like those who fear Allah.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.B.083.htm
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If we (a) examine properly spelled copies of the Quran and (b) refer to the oldest, unvocalized copies, I see no reason why 177 could not refer to the invaders entering al-masajid (plural).
Another reason why it cannot be considered plural is that the pronound referring to it afterwards is singular.
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so that they may depress and sadden your faces and so that they may enter the Mosque just as they had entered in it on the first occasion and so that they smash what they had conquered destructively.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/017.%20Al%20Israa.htm
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Another reason why it cannot be considered plural is that the pronound referring to it afterwards is singular.
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so that they may depress and sadden your faces and so that they may enter the Mosque just as they had entered in it on the first occasion and so that they smash what they had conquered destructively.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/017.%20Al%20Israa.htm
True. Good catch. Thank you. It must be al-masjid. However, the "dagger alif" is not a letter; it's merely a vocalization. If alif were to be used between seen and jeem, it would clearly be seen as in the erroneous example that was pasted. There is no "dagger alif" marking in the oldest copies of the Quran.
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Peace,
I agree with the conclusions but not with the method. The use of dagger alif can make the consonants in masjid and masajid look exactly the same. However, since the QUran was preserved on the most part orally, a textual criticism like this that is not based on the actual sounds of recitation does not hold water. What i can say is that the definite singular form can also be understood as plural. I posted something in the past about the use of singular al-malaku in 8922 (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg151827#msg151827). It is similar to the english phrase 'The dog is a noble animal'. This is a bit archaic and we would just use the plural nowadays but it drives my point home. Whenever you see definite singular it can also be understood as plural. This is why I believe that al-masjid al-haram refers to all Masjids approved of quranically by God, as does baitullahi, or House of God. Even Ka'bah can mean 'great honor.' Hence I see pilgrimage as a relatively local event, not one that needs us to visit Makkah. Despite that I would still visit Makkah for historical reasons and go where our beloved last prophet most likely established a place of pilgrimage in God's name alone for those in that area, being the Arab tribes in the area. As for my opinion on the use of bakkah. There are many examples in the Quranic script where kasrah and yaa are used interchangeably. So we Must understand the script as an interpretation of the sounds. With that said I see the 'bi' in front of bakkata in 396 as if it were a ba-yaa, meaning 'in/for Me.' 'The best house made for mankind is the house made for me/with me in mind, with distinction, rich in blessing and a source of guidance for the people/nations.' I will try to find some examples of 'bi' that support this so that no one sees me as fabricating this. Fee can used in the same way.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
I agree with the conclusions but not with the method. The use of dagger alif can make the consonants in masjid and masajid look exactly the same. However, since the QUran was preserved on the most part orally, a textual criticism like this that is not based on the actual sounds of recitation does not hold water. What i can say is that the definite singular form can also be understood as plural. I posted something in the past about the use of singular al-malaku in 8922 (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg151827#msg151827). It is similar to the english phrase 'The dog is a noble animal'. This is a bit archaic and we would just use the plural nowadays but it drives my point home. Whenever you see definite singular it can also be understood as plural. This is why I believe that al-masjid al-haram refers to all Masjids approved of quranically by God, as does baitullahi, or House of God. Even Ka'bah can mean 'great honor.' Hence I see pilgrimage as a relatively local event, not one that needs us to visit Makkah. Despite that I would still visit Makkah for historical reasons and go where our beloved last prophet most likely established a place of pilgrimage in God's name alone for those in that area, being the Arab tribes in the area. As for my opinion on the use of bakkah. There are many examples in the Quranic script where kasrah and yaa are used interchangeably. So we Must understand the script as an interpretation of the sounds. With that said I see the 'bi' in front of bakkata in 396 as if it were a ba-yaa, meaning 'in/for Me.' 'The best house made for mankind is the house made for me/with me in mind, with distinction, rich in blessing and a source of guidance for the people/nations.' I will try to find some examples of 'bi' that support this so that no one sees me as fabricating this. Fee can used in the same way.
Godbless,
Anwarand how do you translate bakkata?
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True. Good catch. Thank you. It must be al-masjid. However, the "dagger alif" is not a letter; it's merely a vocalization. If alif were to be used between seen and jeem, it would clearly be seen as in the erroneous example that was pasted. There is no "dagger alif" marking in the oldest copies of the Quran.
This is also from Grand Qur'aan
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Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aan
a) Total occurrences 319
b) No of constructions 59
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