Linguistic riddle solved, for those who want to learn
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Peace Kaiokenred;
my former post was dirty please have this one"If Allah was a god He would call Himself Ilah, but he's not."!!
How can you claim this when
1.He does confirm He is "ilahun waahidun"
2.The expression ALLLAH is a contraction between "the" definite article and the word "ilah".
3. Definitly, it is clear that within some infinite sets of ilahs, there is only one to be praise in order to be saved, "The Ilah" or Allah.Peace
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Peace Kaiokenred;
Are you missing something very important by sataing "No, Allah is a contraction between the words Allathi la Ilah, which means who is not God"?
The contraction is not due to the linear proximity of the words Allathi la Ilah, but rather to the expressivity of the ilah itself you ar free to woership anything you choose, but the wright choice is when you choose one able of everything, the allmight, be you arab, english,...
Pace
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Peace Kaiokenred;
Are you missing something very important by sataing "No, Allah is a contraction between the words Allathi la Ilah, which means who is not God"?
The contraction is not due to the linear proximity of the words Allathi la Ilah, but rather to the expressivity of the ilah itself you ar free to woership anything you choose, but the wright choice is when you choose one able of everything, the allmight, be you arab, english,...
Pace
No it's not. Allah does not mean The Ilah (God) but who is not Ilah (God). Allah is the complete opposite of a god. A god was created with bullshit such as religion, thus the imagination of greedy/fearful people. A god is a supernatural being that controls reality from the outside, Allah manifests reality from the inside. Worship whatever you want, no matter what you worship, it's worthless and stupid act and in the Quran, translated by actual Classic Arabic without considering anything from hadith, we're told not to worship anyone.
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Allathi la ilah ILLA HU
You missed except for Him.
The word Allah means there is no God. And that basically means there is no god at all. Not except for him, there is simply no God, there is ONLY Allah ( Not God )
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Salaam,
How about 2133?
2133
2133 Or were you witnesses when death approached Yaa'qoob, when he said to his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims to Him."
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Salaam,
How about 2133?
2133
2133 Or were you witnesses when death approached Yaa'qoob, when he said to his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims to Him."
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanHow about you closely examine Classic Arabic like Badar Kanwar does?
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How about you closely examine Classic Arabic like Badar Kanwar does?
Dear brother,
I try to examine Arabic through AlQuraan itself unlike Badar.
Can you please translate 1698 for me by using your current understanding of the word "Allah"? And most importantly 2014 with your current understanding of word "Allah".
Thanks in advance.
mmKhan
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LOL, now there's a contention over the meaning of "Allah"? rotfl
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Dear brother,
I try to examine Arabic through AlQuraan itself unlike Badar.
Can you please translate 1698 for me by using your current understanding of the word "Allah"? And most importantly 2014 with your current understanding of word "Allah".
Thanks in advance.
mmKhan
Sure you do, and Badar hasn't been online for 2-3 days now
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LOL, now there's a contention over the meaning of "Allah"? rotfl
Transliteration Waallatheena yuhajjoona fee Allahi min baAAdi ma istujeeba lahu hujjatuhum dahidatun AAinda rabbihim waAAalayhim ghadabun walahum AAathabun shadeedun
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/42/16/default.htm
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Transliteration Waallatheena yuhajjoona fee Allahi min baAAdi ma istujeeba lahu hujjatuhum dahidatun AAinda rabbihim waAAalayhim ghadabun walahum AAathabun shadeedun
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/42/16/default.htm
Nice proof. Maybe Sunnis should say that to Quranists because I mean, that verse says to not argue about what Allah is and just accept your view as the truth, and that means accept everything as it is, because things are exactly like they seem and the world is a paradise full of love and care without any greed or stupidity at all
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The word Allah means there is no God. And that basically means there is no god at all. Not except for him, there is simply no God, there is ONLY Allah ( Not God )
There is no God except the not God? Do you mean no God but the One who does not need worship? Or just not God?
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There is no God except the not God? Do you mean no God but the One who does not need worship? Or just not God?
There is no god at all, that's what I'm trying to say. Allah is not a god, the concept of Allah is the opposite of a god. The real meaning of a god is " one who is invoked ", That is as you see, extremely religious and can't possibly describe Allah, You do not invoke Allah, also a god is an outside force that controls reality, while Allah manifests all reality from the inside-out, you can confirm it if you want by using Quantum Mechanics
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How about you closely examine Classic Arabic like Badar Kanwar does?
I am an arabic speaker, I wish to know what classical arabic you are talking about (I really do)...
...most arabs refute this by saying that the christians (they even use it to describe the trinity, including saying Allah-Al Ebn (Allah the son) and the jews who are arabs still call there God Allah, because that is the term we use, like Khuda in Farsi.
Why not use Al-Ilah is a valid question, however first of all from a phonetic point view repeatedly saying Al-Ilah sounds strange to an arab speaker I personally find it strange using the phonetic of Al-El
Saying
Alhamdu-le-al-Ilahi
Subhan-al-IlahThe i sound effect in the middle sounds strange. I guess this is sort of like didn't instead of did not, and even in modern English saying gonna and wanna, or ain't that something. I don't know what to tell you, it just has this same tone to me.
Now I am no expert my self, but from a phonetic term, I can't see my self everytime saying Allah, having this awkward pause for al-ilah
, this is sort of like any language where you don't explain things by the grammar of it, but by the flow of the language when spoken, for example in english I rarely figure out why something sounds foreign to english because I know grammar, but because that just sounds like broken english I don't know if you get my drift.
I had problems with the term Allah, because of how people sanctify the word, as if Allah, is the name of God...and yes some resources explain it that way, I was taught in my Arab country that Allah is a contraction, they could've been wrong, or just telling me their version. But I personally lived with Christians and saw there use of the word Allah, and as I said someone running around saying Al-Ilah would sound bizarre unless you are being very detailed, like an English speaker saying didn't you hear me I said I do NOT care.
I personally also seen in Canada, that people who don't speak arabic nativley but are muslims, have this relationship with the term Allah, which sounds like they have to say it Allah saying khuda for example would be false. I don't know, I am sure they were raised that way in their countries, but most arabs don't have a stigma refering to Allah as God, or whatever the language requires.
I do believe there is nothing sacred about the term, and according to historians, Arabs even before islam used the term to represent the idea of the god they thought is the ultimate God sort of speak.
I personally think, that the word was contracted because it sounds phonetically demanding, and impedes an Arabian way of speaking but that is my opinion
Wa Al Ilah A'lam... (Sounds so strange lol)And I am stumped by how Allathi got into explaining anything, I read your post I am having a lot of difficulty understanding what you are trying to say, but as I said, I am interested to know .
Edit Also as alot of previous repliers, mentioned, God refers to him self as Allah, Rab, Ilahon Wahed.
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And honestly, you are the one who is sounding like SOME Sunnis, saying wait till a 'certain member' comes back, exactly the inability to defend your own thoughts, and refering the matter to someone else, and saying (wait till he gets back he will handle you).
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peace;
Please could you be more clear in "you can confirm it if you want by using Quantum Mechanics". Is Quantum mechanism another Quran?
Peace
It's science, do you blindly follow the Quran or you follow it because it makes sense? If the Quran said people are blue would you believe it just because it said so? Would that mean the Quran was divine?
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I am an arabic speaker, I wish to know what classical arabic you are talking about (I really do)...
...most arabs refute this by saying that the christians (they even use it to describe the trinity, including saying Allah-Al Ebn (Allah the son) and the jews who are arabs still call there God Allah, because that is the term we use, like Khuda in Farsi.
Why not use Al-Ilah is a valid question, however first of all from a phonetic point view repeatedly saying Al-Ilah sounds strange to an arab speaker I personally find it strange using the phonetic of Al-El
Saying
Alhamdu-le-al-Ilahi
Subhan-al-IlahThe i sound effect in the middle sounds strange. I guess this is sort of like didn't instead of did not, and even in modern English saying gonna and wanna, or ain't that something. I don't know what to tell you, it just has this same tone to me.
Now I am no expert my self, but from a phonetic term, I can't see my self everytime saying Allah, having this awkward pause for al-ilah
, this is sort of like any language where you don't explain things by the grammar of it, but by the flow of the language when spoken, for example in english I rarely figure out why something sounds foreign to english because I know grammar, but because that just sounds like broken english I don't know if you get my drift.
I had problems with the term Allah, because of how people sanctify the word, as if Allah, is the name of God...and yes some resources explain it that way, I was taught in my Arab country that Allah is a contraction, they could've been wrong, or just telling me their version. But I personally lived with Christians and saw there use of the word Allah, and as I said someone running around saying Al-Ilah would sound bizarre unless you are being very detailed, like an English speaker saying didn't you hear me I said I do NOT care.
I personally also seen in Canada, that people who don't speak arabic nativley but are muslims, have this relationship with the term Allah, which sounds like they have to say it Allah saying khuda for example would be false. I don't know, I am sure they were raised that way in their countries, but most arabs don't have a stigma refering to Allah as God, or whatever the language requires.
I do believe there is nothing sacred about the term, and according to historians, Arabs even before islam used the term to represent the idea of the god they thought is the ultimate God sort of speak.
I personally think, that the word was contracted because it sounds phonetically demanding, and impedes an Arabian way of speaking but that is my opinion
Wa Al Ilah A'lam... (Sounds so strange lol)And I am stumped by how Allathi got into explaining anything, I read your post I am having a lot of difficulty understanding what you are trying to say, but as I said, I am interested to know ).
Edit Also as alot of previous repliers, mentioned, God refers to him self as Allah, Rab, Ilahon Wahed.
573221
And honestly, you are the one who is sounding like SOME Sunnis, saying wait till a 'certain member' comes back, exactly the inability to defend your own thoughts, and refering the matter to someone else, and saying (wait till he gets back he will handle you).
How can God refer to him self as Allah when god doesn't exist? And how can the fictional character God refer to himself as Allah when the people who created religion for their own greed didn't know what Allah really was?
By Classic Arabic I mean the one used at Muhammad's time, which is obviously different, the Al Ilah thing is the weakest argument about Allah not being god, there are many more
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Kaiokenred, your every post amazes me. It also confirms my understanding that Rabb continue to guide his creation, who want to be guided to his truth irrespective of Quran. I am attending to a family member who had liver transplant. Hence may not be able to log on for extended times for sometimes in future. But will try to catch up in future with important issues belonging to write up about Allah soon.