Taking off the Hijab
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The majority of men are thinking about groping or following you around whenever or wherever you go out. This is the reality. Accept it. Whether it's Egypt or Europe is besides the point.
It is not beside the point. As I stated, harassment is the norm in Egypt, it is a very rare exception where I come from, and it would not be publicly acceptable. If a guy groped me on the street and I started yelling at him, people would rush to help. In Egypt, people rarely interfere when a woman gets harassed. They just look and sneer, or look away.
It's not about glorifying or condeming a particular country or society either. But the point is --, and that has also been observed by many other women who have been to several Muslim countries -- that the covering of women often goes along with a particular social perception ... namely, that men are not able to restrain themselves and that it is women's responsibility to keep up morals by making themselves as invisible and unattractive as possible.
What happens then is for example what we can observe in Egypt Men feel they have the right to harass women, much more so the less those women are covered. As a result, many women cover up more in order to avoid harassment, but it's like a vicious circle, it only gets worse.
So in a way the whole women have to cover ideology leads to harassment. THAT is the point. And that's why I brought the issue up. Not in order to bash Egypt or praise Europe, but to make a particular point that hijab supporters often deny. Which has just been proven in this discussion
once again I am showing you that they choose not to take off the 'hijab' and observe it, but are in much more powerful positions than most of you here and has everything to do with the subject at hand.
I still don't get the point. I know lots of women in powerful positions or good carreers who wear a headscarf. But I fail to see what this has to do with the subject.
As for "more powerful positions than most of you here" ... do you know what everyone on here is doing carreer-wise, or how do you know?
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Hi HNF,
I thought id share my experience with you)
When i converted i began wearing a headscarf........I enjoyed the security I felt it gave me. I stopped wearing the scarf however as I learned more and bacame more involved with Islam .....it seems that when i converted I assumed it was obligatory but as i read the Quran for myself I decided i didnt need to (sorry for swaying into the obligatory or not issue, I just thought id explain why I stopped)
anyhow..my experience has been that those who are my friends havent really commented ...my husband again is not bothered either way (he isnt a muslim) .....so my advice is just do what feels best for you and what you feel is in line with what you believe not what others try to force on you.
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Hi HNF,
I thought id share my experience with you
When i converted i began wearing a headscarf........I enjoyed the security I felt it gave me. I stopped wearing the scarf however as I learned more and bacame more involved with Islam .....it seems that when i converted I assumed it was obligatory but as i read the Quran for myself I decided i didnt need to (sorry for swaying into the obligatory or not issue, I just thought id explain why I stopped)
anyhow..my experience has been that those who are my friends havent really commented ...my husband again is not bothered either way (he isnt a muslim) .....so my advice is just do what feels best for you and what you feel is in line with what you believe not what others try to force on you.
Thanks for sharing your experience Imaani1
I'm grateful.I agree, I shouldn't let others force me but in reality, I live in a holier than thou community and honestly, I haven't got the energy to deal with it as of now or the strength. In fact, I told one of my friends about my feelings and she texted me this long thing and said that Satan paints red paint on the heads of women without a headscarf to be his wife on the day of judgement.
@Thereformer1,
http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm@savage_carrot, Great argument. I do partly agree with the whole when in rome... bit. I think though, pepper spray should become readily available for all Egyptian women
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Dear Leyna
I find the Egypt scenario hard to believe, but I have never been to Egypt, so I really cannot comment. We have lived in the UAE which is an Islamic country and never once have I seen a female being groped in public or publicly humiliated who was observing 'hijab'. To the contrary, they treat the females from my household with a lot of respect and even more respect after knowing that we were from Europe and observing 'hijab'.
The females in my family are all self employed in their respective fields with some running large corporations and do not have to report to anyone, thus are very secure in all aspects of their life. What I'm saying is that the observance of 'hijab' has not hindered their goals, success or targets and neither did they feel a need to take it off even after the tensions after 9/11 across the globe. So for them, they have self empowered themselves out of choice which they decided to act upon and not worry about what people might say. They practice the deen for themselves and not for anybody else and are proud to observe the 'hijab' and are not being conned or forced into observing 'hijab'
Peace
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Leyna you'll like this hahahahah .
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Satan paints red paint on the heads of women without a headscarf to be his wife on the day of judgement.
im shocked that your friend sent you this!......youre right you dont need the hassle no one does so just take it in your stride at your own pace.......satans wife pah ) brickwall I wouldnt pay any attention to sayings such as this)
I think your brave to consider doing anything which will be seen as departing from the norm when living in such a community bravo and i believe god will show you the right thing to do pr
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What I'm saying is that the observance of 'hijab' has not hindered their goals, success or targets and neither did they feel a need to take it off even after the tensions after 9/11 across the globe. So for them, they have self empowered themselves out of choice which they decided to act upon and not worry about what people might say. They practice the deen for themselves and not for anybody else and are proud to observe the 'hijab' and are not being conned or forced into observing 'hijab'
I still do not understand what this has to do with the discussion at hand. Nobody here has said that women who wear hijab can not be successful, empowered etc.
This thread is about women who made a choice and want to act on it and not worry what people might say. They practice their deen for themselves and not for anybody else and are proud as they are. How come you are very vocal when it comes to women defending the right to wear what they please as long as it includes hijab, but keep nagging at them if they decide it doesn't.
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Peace be upon you,
Righteousness is the best garment. I have seen women dressed in black garb from head to toe with nothing but eyes showing, but they are cussing like sailors and doing all kinds of wicked behavior. Righteousness is what matters here, and wearing a scarf on your head has nothing to do with it. I do not agree with going along with the crown because that is not the example we have been given. The example is to deliver the message, not hide it because you will be talked about. There is nothing to fear.
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Dear Leyna
You've got it all wrong.
I couldn't give a rat's ass what women want to wear or what they don't. I have a problem when some women belittle the 'hijab' like it's a sign of oppression which has been forced upon them and then they misquote the Quran, in order to justify their stance and then insinuate 'freedom' once they decide to take it off or not wear it in the first place, as though they were imprisoned whilst observing 'hijab' under false pretenses. This is the problem.
If one doesn't want to observe 'hijab' then don't, but don't come up with, it's not in the Quran, and we've been forced to do it for over 1400 years, because that is an insult to women. As though all women are illiterate and cannot read and understand the Quran for themselves and have been blindly following the society norm without question!
Read the original post..........Are there any Sisters here who took it off (or kept it on)? Any advice would be nice from girls and guys.
I clearly stated that females in my family observe 'hijab'. There are also some that don't and they don't have a problem with each others perspective because they are not 'Quran bashing' at every turn in order to justify their stance.
Peace
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I swear that Girls who they wear Hijab in my country are away from harassement and people respect them, and no one can talks to them just an necessity and they help them, in the other hand the Gilrs who they wear Jeans and fashions clothes, they got their parts of harrassement.
No offense but there are plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes. I'm not saying they all are. Some are good women mashallah. But hijab means nothing because people know that underneath could be a chaste girl or a prostitute.
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No offense but there are plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes. I'm not saying they all are. Some are good women mashallah. But hijab means nothing because people know that underneath could be a chaste girl or a prostitute.
Yes, it could be but know that those girls don't know anything about Islam or Hijab, they are Muslims but they don't know Islam. and sorry to say that even non-Muslims from girls wear Hijab for a specific reasons, and about there are plenty of your girls, is so rude from you and you have insulted every woman and girl in my country, how many girls you think there where you live from where I live? 100 girls, 1000 girls...how many? >> next time pick up your words.
P.S you live in UK isn't ? anyways I can bring statistics about girls in your country, and you'll be surprised .
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You've got it all wrong.
Aha. !
I have a problem when some women belittle the 'hijab' like it's a sign of oppression which has been forced upon them and then they misquote the Quran, in order to justify their stance and then insinuate 'freedom' once they decide to take it off or not wear it in the first place, as though they were imprisoned whilst observing 'hijab' under false pretenses. This is the problem.
Wow, you are getting quite emotional. Why is that? Why does this subject upset you so much? &
Look, you are responding to accusations that nobody has brought on here. I am a newbie, but as far as I can tell, there seem to be women here who wear hijab and women who don't, with differing reasons for or against. I have not seen anyone belittling anyone for their choice, or the accusation of being oppressed. Neither has anyone described hijab as a "prison".
So why are you bringing this all up? Why are you getting so defensive and aggressive? On a subject that doesn't even concern you personally. Really, I find that weird ...
If one doesn't want to observe 'hijab' then don't, but don't come up with, it's not in the Quran, and we've been forced to do it for over 1400 years, because that is an insult to women.
It is an insult for women to not grant them the freedom to use their own brains and hearts in order to determine whether they see hijab as an obligation or not. The argument that every woman who simply does not see this obligation in the Qur'an, is just too lazy / vain / selfish / lead by shaitan is sooo old, and it gets repeated over and over again in an attempt to shut us up.
Fact is ... various people can read the same source and come to different conclusions, that's human nature. There are people, women as well as men, who -- regardless of their personal wishes or preferences -- can not see that the Qur'an supposedly tells women to cover their hair and neck and ears. But it is not accepted to say so.
Instead we are supposed to tell people that we are "not ready yet", that we can't because of our job, that we "don't have the strength" and so on and so forth. That is fine, and it's being accepted. People -- men and women -- will be nice to you and make duah for you that you will insha'allah one day have the strength to wear hijab.
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But dare say that you simply don't see a command to cover the hair in the Qur'an, and you will be attacked from all sides. You are interpreting the Qur'an with your own desires taking over, you are lazy, not pious enough, not obedient enough etc. pp. You are being mocked and ridiculed -- how dare you disagreeing with centuries and centuries of Islamic scholarship?! How can you disagree with millions of pamphlets, books, websites, fatawa on the issue? You must be crazy, or utterly arrogant, or both.
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(Interestingly, people who bring the latter argument display an ignorance of the view of Islamic scholarship, since the issue of awrah / hijab has been discussed quite diversely by early scholars.)My point is ... why can people not be allowed to think what they are thinking? Why should our opinion depend on the majority, the scholars, the institutions?
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It seems to me, it's not the ones who have a differing opinion who are having a serious problem here -- but the ones who are unable to fathom or accept that others have a different opinion than themselves.And that is the point here ... it's all about finding new approaches to religion, and to the Qur'an and about who has the authority to interpret it. Some just can't stand it that there might be other interpretations than those that have been considered true for centuries. It bugs them that people might make their alternative understanding public and might thus seduce others to start thinking along the same lines!
That is censorship imho. I'm tired of it. Believe what you want. If it makes you feel better to believe that each and every woman who does not think covering the hair is a command from God is lacking in faith, piety, modesty, whatever -- be my guest. I know what's in my heart, and all those attempts at intimidation and mocking don't impress me in the least.
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Yes, it could be but know that those girls don't know anything about Islam or Hijab, they are Muslims but they don't know Islam. and sorry to say that even non-Muslims from girls wear Hijab for a specific reasons, and about there are plenty of your girls, is so rude from you and you have insulted every woman and girl in my country, how many girls you think there where you live from where I live? 100 girls, 1000 girls...how many? >> next time pick up your words.
Actually you decided to only select a small portion of what I wrote to make me look bad. Shame on you! Let me quote exactly what I wrote.
No offense but there are plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes. I'm not saying they all are. Some are good women mashallah. But hijab means nothing because people know that underneath could be a chaste girl or a prostitute.
You don't even know where I'm from.
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Actually you decided to only select a small portion of what I wrote to make me look bad. Shame on you! Let me quote exactly what I wrote.
You don't even know where I'm from.My point is not about what you said because you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
you live in uk and I can bring statistics about your girls which the majority are prostitutes. I am in a Muslim country and the most of girls fear their parents and they can't be with a guy, look at your dark side every crazy woman hugs a dumb one who will get marry another one and leave 5 girls have made sexual intercourse with them .
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My point is not about what you said because you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
you live in uk and I can bring statistics about your girls which the majority are prostitutes. I am in a Muslim country and the most of girls fear their parents and they can't be with a guy, look at your dark side every crazy woman hug a dumb one who will get marry another one and leave 5 girls have made sexual intercourse with them .
I didn't make it global. And I didn't see just one or two. Get your facts straight.
I am not English. I wasn't even born here. And even if I was, I don't care what they do. When I made that comment it was in reference to what you said about Moroccan girls. Not all your girls are perfect, just like any girls or guys in any country. Wearing a scarf doesn't make them angels.
ok show me your statistics that show that the majority of women in the uk are prostitutes. "Bring forth your proof if you are truthful."
And you can't say 'every crazy woman' because it isn't 'every crazy woman' unless you've actually met 'every crazy woman in the uk. If anyone is making things 'global' it's you.
Next time read the comments properly before making false accusations and being rude. That's all you seem to do here.
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you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
You are misquoting her yet again. She wrote
plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes.
So this is not saying "plenty of the girls in your country are prostitutes."
Instead it says that "plenty of the girls of your country who have migrated to hers are working as prostitutes.
Big difference!
Hope that clears it up.
peace
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My point is not about what you said because you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
you live in uk and I can bring statistics about your girls which the majority are prostitutes. I am in a Muslim country and the most of girls fear their parents and they can't be with a guy, look at your dark side every crazy woman hugs a dumb one who will get marry another one and leave 5 girls have made sexual intercourse with them .
The majority of the girls in the UK are prostitutes? http//img52.imageshack.us/img52/7389/rofln.gif
And all the other stereotypes ... love them!
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Nice illustration of how traditional Muslim brainwash works in a person who has never been outside of his own country / cultural sphere to see and judge things for himself.