Taking off the Hijab
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What I'm saying is that the observance of 'hijab' has not hindered their goals, success or targets and neither did they feel a need to take it off even after the tensions after 9/11 across the globe. So for them, they have self empowered themselves out of choice which they decided to act upon and not worry about what people might say. They practice the deen for themselves and not for anybody else and are proud to observe the 'hijab' and are not being conned or forced into observing 'hijab'
I still do not understand what this has to do with the discussion at hand. Nobody here has said that women who wear hijab can not be successful, empowered etc.
This thread is about women who made a choice and want to act on it and not worry what people might say. They practice their deen for themselves and not for anybody else and are proud as they are. How come you are very vocal when it comes to women defending the right to wear what they please as long as it includes hijab, but keep nagging at them if they decide it doesn't.
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Peace be upon you,
Righteousness is the best garment. I have seen women dressed in black garb from head to toe with nothing but eyes showing, but they are cussing like sailors and doing all kinds of wicked behavior. Righteousness is what matters here, and wearing a scarf on your head has nothing to do with it. I do not agree with going along with the crown because that is not the example we have been given. The example is to deliver the message, not hide it because you will be talked about. There is nothing to fear.
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Dear Leyna
You've got it all wrong.
I couldn't give a rat's ass what women want to wear or what they don't. I have a problem when some women belittle the 'hijab' like it's a sign of oppression which has been forced upon them and then they misquote the Quran, in order to justify their stance and then insinuate 'freedom' once they decide to take it off or not wear it in the first place, as though they were imprisoned whilst observing 'hijab' under false pretenses. This is the problem.
If one doesn't want to observe 'hijab' then don't, but don't come up with, it's not in the Quran, and we've been forced to do it for over 1400 years, because that is an insult to women. As though all women are illiterate and cannot read and understand the Quran for themselves and have been blindly following the society norm without question!
Read the original post..........Are there any Sisters here who took it off (or kept it on)? Any advice would be nice from girls and guys.
I clearly stated that females in my family observe 'hijab'. There are also some that don't and they don't have a problem with each others perspective because they are not 'Quran bashing' at every turn in order to justify their stance.
Peace
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I swear that Girls who they wear Hijab in my country are away from harassement and people respect them, and no one can talks to them just an necessity and they help them, in the other hand the Gilrs who they wear Jeans and fashions clothes, they got their parts of harrassement.
No offense but there are plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes. I'm not saying they all are. Some are good women mashallah. But hijab means nothing because people know that underneath could be a chaste girl or a prostitute.
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No offense but there are plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes. I'm not saying they all are. Some are good women mashallah. But hijab means nothing because people know that underneath could be a chaste girl or a prostitute.
Yes, it could be but know that those girls don't know anything about Islam or Hijab, they are Muslims but they don't know Islam. and sorry to say that even non-Muslims from girls wear Hijab for a specific reasons, and about there are plenty of your girls, is so rude from you and you have insulted every woman and girl in my country, how many girls you think there where you live from where I live? 100 girls, 1000 girls...how many? >> next time pick up your words.
P.S you live in UK isn't ? anyways I can bring statistics about girls in your country, and you'll be surprised .
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You've got it all wrong.
Aha. !
I have a problem when some women belittle the 'hijab' like it's a sign of oppression which has been forced upon them and then they misquote the Quran, in order to justify their stance and then insinuate 'freedom' once they decide to take it off or not wear it in the first place, as though they were imprisoned whilst observing 'hijab' under false pretenses. This is the problem.
Wow, you are getting quite emotional. Why is that? Why does this subject upset you so much? &
Look, you are responding to accusations that nobody has brought on here. I am a newbie, but as far as I can tell, there seem to be women here who wear hijab and women who don't, with differing reasons for or against. I have not seen anyone belittling anyone for their choice, or the accusation of being oppressed. Neither has anyone described hijab as a "prison".
So why are you bringing this all up? Why are you getting so defensive and aggressive? On a subject that doesn't even concern you personally. Really, I find that weird ...
If one doesn't want to observe 'hijab' then don't, but don't come up with, it's not in the Quran, and we've been forced to do it for over 1400 years, because that is an insult to women.
It is an insult for women to not grant them the freedom to use their own brains and hearts in order to determine whether they see hijab as an obligation or not. The argument that every woman who simply does not see this obligation in the Qur'an, is just too lazy / vain / selfish / lead by shaitan is sooo old, and it gets repeated over and over again in an attempt to shut us up.
Fact is ... various people can read the same source and come to different conclusions, that's human nature. There are people, women as well as men, who -- regardless of their personal wishes or preferences -- can not see that the Qur'an supposedly tells women to cover their hair and neck and ears. But it is not accepted to say so.
Instead we are supposed to tell people that we are "not ready yet", that we can't because of our job, that we "don't have the strength" and so on and so forth. That is fine, and it's being accepted. People -- men and women -- will be nice to you and make duah for you that you will insha'allah one day have the strength to wear hijab.
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But dare say that you simply don't see a command to cover the hair in the Qur'an, and you will be attacked from all sides. You are interpreting the Qur'an with your own desires taking over, you are lazy, not pious enough, not obedient enough etc. pp. You are being mocked and ridiculed -- how dare you disagreeing with centuries and centuries of Islamic scholarship?! How can you disagree with millions of pamphlets, books, websites, fatawa on the issue? You must be crazy, or utterly arrogant, or both.
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(Interestingly, people who bring the latter argument display an ignorance of the view of Islamic scholarship, since the issue of awrah / hijab has been discussed quite diversely by early scholars.)My point is ... why can people not be allowed to think what they are thinking? Why should our opinion depend on the majority, the scholars, the institutions?
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It seems to me, it's not the ones who have a differing opinion who are having a serious problem here -- but the ones who are unable to fathom or accept that others have a different opinion than themselves.And that is the point here ... it's all about finding new approaches to religion, and to the Qur'an and about who has the authority to interpret it. Some just can't stand it that there might be other interpretations than those that have been considered true for centuries. It bugs them that people might make their alternative understanding public and might thus seduce others to start thinking along the same lines!
That is censorship imho. I'm tired of it. Believe what you want. If it makes you feel better to believe that each and every woman who does not think covering the hair is a command from God is lacking in faith, piety, modesty, whatever -- be my guest. I know what's in my heart, and all those attempts at intimidation and mocking don't impress me in the least.
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Yes, it could be but know that those girls don't know anything about Islam or Hijab, they are Muslims but they don't know Islam. and sorry to say that even non-Muslims from girls wear Hijab for a specific reasons, and about there are plenty of your girls, is so rude from you and you have insulted every woman and girl in my country, how many girls you think there where you live from where I live? 100 girls, 1000 girls...how many? >> next time pick up your words.
Actually you decided to only select a small portion of what I wrote to make me look bad. Shame on you! Let me quote exactly what I wrote.
No offense but there are plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes. I'm not saying they all are. Some are good women mashallah. But hijab means nothing because people know that underneath could be a chaste girl or a prostitute.
You don't even know where I'm from.
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Actually you decided to only select a small portion of what I wrote to make me look bad. Shame on you! Let me quote exactly what I wrote.
You don't even know where I'm from.My point is not about what you said because you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
you live in uk and I can bring statistics about your girls which the majority are prostitutes. I am in a Muslim country and the most of girls fear their parents and they can't be with a guy, look at your dark side every crazy woman hugs a dumb one who will get marry another one and leave 5 girls have made sexual intercourse with them .
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My point is not about what you said because you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
you live in uk and I can bring statistics about your girls which the majority are prostitutes. I am in a Muslim country and the most of girls fear their parents and they can't be with a guy, look at your dark side every crazy woman hug a dumb one who will get marry another one and leave 5 girls have made sexual intercourse with them .
I didn't make it global. And I didn't see just one or two. Get your facts straight.
I am not English. I wasn't even born here. And even if I was, I don't care what they do. When I made that comment it was in reference to what you said about Moroccan girls. Not all your girls are perfect, just like any girls or guys in any country. Wearing a scarf doesn't make them angels.
ok show me your statistics that show that the majority of women in the uk are prostitutes. "Bring forth your proof if you are truthful."
And you can't say 'every crazy woman' because it isn't 'every crazy woman' unless you've actually met 'every crazy woman in the uk. If anyone is making things 'global' it's you.
Next time read the comments properly before making false accusations and being rude. That's all you seem to do here.
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you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
You are misquoting her yet again. She wrote
plenty of your girls who have migrated to mine - they wear hijab and work as prostitutes.
So this is not saying "plenty of the girls in your country are prostitutes."
Instead it says that "plenty of the girls of your country who have migrated to hers are working as prostitutes.
Big difference!
Hope that clears it up.
peace
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My point is not about what you said because you have made a sin because of saying plenty of your girls, you see just two or three and yet you're making it global .
you live in uk and I can bring statistics about your girls which the majority are prostitutes. I am in a Muslim country and the most of girls fear their parents and they can't be with a guy, look at your dark side every crazy woman hugs a dumb one who will get marry another one and leave 5 girls have made sexual intercourse with them .
The majority of the girls in the UK are prostitutes? http//img52.imageshack.us/img52/7389/rofln.gif
And all the other stereotypes ... love them!
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Nice illustration of how traditional Muslim brainwash works in a person who has never been outside of his own country / cultural sphere to see and judge things for himself.
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I didn't make it global. And I didn't see just one or two. Get your facts straight.
you did it make it global, you said plenty like all Moroccan girls have immigrated to uk (by the way uk is not a place to immigrate to it).
how many girls you see ? (plenty!!!)
most of girls from Morocco their destination is france.
I am not English. I wasn't even born here.
ok show me your statistics that show that the majority of women in the uk are prostitutes. "Bring forth your proof if you are truthful."
42% of women in uk have admited that they slept with more than one man in the same time >>>disgusting.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/177333.stm
And you can't say 'every crazy woman' because it isn't 'every crazy woman' unless you've actually met 'every crazy woman in the uk. If anyone is making things 'global' it's you.
Yes, they are not Muslims, so I will not expect that they will be safe mentaly, they are free and they can do anything sleep with that guy but marry that one.
Next time read the comments properly before making false accusations and being rude. That's all you seem to do here.
next time, pick up your words or even pick up the right post you want to quote.
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you did it make it global, you said plenty like all Moroccan girls have immigrated to uk (by the way uk is not a place to immigrate to it).
may be she meant that plenty of those who have migrated to uk are such and such....
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you did it make it global, you said plenty like all Moroccan girls have immigrated to uk .
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No, she made it perfectly clear. Plenty OF the Moroccon girls who have immigrated to the UK ...
There seems to be a language barrier here. Please acknowledge it and don't accuse others of saying something they have not said at all.
42% of women in uk have admited that they slept with more than one man in the same time >>>disgusting.
With more than one man at the same time? Seems there is a LOT of group sex going on in the UK!
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Ah, here we have it ... the ultimate blow, the one and only argument that will shut up all Western-style feminists and supporters of free thinking and women's liberation All women in the West are basically prostitutes, and they will sleep with any man who crosses their path. They are all playthings for lecherous men and think this is freedom! Whereas in Muslim countries, nobody ever cheats on their spouse, there is no prostitution, no exploitation of women, it's basically a paradise compared to the BAD BAD West. And those who are defending women's rights just want to turn all women into man-hating prostitutes and undermine the deep morality of Muslims.
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Hey, they even dare complaining about polygamy! But don't we all know that every man in the West has at least one mistress in addition to his wife, and this is perfectly accepted over there? Don't we know that the streets and orphanages in the West are full of bastards -- poor children who were abondoned by their mothers who have been abandoned by the fathers before? We all know men in the West just sleep around and don't have to commit to anything, right? Alhamdullilah we don't have this problem in Islamic countries. We have polygamy and male authority and -- of course -- the hijab. The magic hijab that gives women dignity, respect, guarantees her closeness to God and her protection from rape and harassment. The magic hijab that benefits everyone and transforms society for the better. How dare anyone question the properties of the hijab -- astaghfirullah!!!http//foolstown.com/sm/old.gif http//foolstown.com/sm/old.gifhttp//foolstown.com/sm/old.gif
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42% of women in uk have admited that they slept with more than one man in the same time >>>disgusting.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/177333.stm
wow
so thats the freedom they love?
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42% of women in uk have admited that they slept with more than one man in the same time >>>disgusting.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/177333.stm
Our friend clearly does not know what prostitution is.
Prostitution is the act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire.
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What I'm saying is that the observance of 'hijab' has not hindered their goals, success or targets and neither did they feel a need to take it off even after the tensions after 9/11 across the globe. So for them, they have self empowered themselves out of choice which they decided to act upon and not worry about what people might say. They practice the deen for themselves and not for anybody else and are proud to observe the 'hijab' and are not being conned or forced into observing 'hijab'
Peace
I think thats all people here are trying to do but you are somehow telling them their choices and their ways are wrong because it doesnt fit with your way of practicing the deen.