A contradiction in the Quran about following other scriptures? Please help
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The two vreses you quoted is talking about faith in God and the hereafter. This has nothing to do with a person's religious sect or denomination. Hence the Quran establishes a universal criteria regarding faith. It has nothing to di with scriptures. Scriptures are talked about in Maida Suran from verse 43 onwards.
Anyways here is my take on this
http//www.conflictingviews.com/religion/all-religions/koran-says-torah-gospel-not-corrupted-3324.html
Its kind of bias since I lean towards accetance of previous scriptures. But its a good start on the subject for someone looking to start somewhere.
O ok. Thank you for the clarification.
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Maybe 456 7750 refer to following things after the revelation of the Quran that's why it says 'after'. I dunno.Yes, this is my understanding as well.
Also although the books are corrupted, they contain many righteous teachings. Yes, it is better to follow the Qu'ran, but some Jews and Christians will refuse.
Can someone corrupt me if I'm wrong, but apparently there is no mention of a trinitarian concept in the Christian scriptures?
Christians may bring up the verse which says "There is no way to God other than through me."
However we can apply this to all Prophets, there was no way to find Allah other than through Muhammad (pbuh) and I believe that the above verse was for the people of that time. The seal of the prophets was not around at that time right so for that time the only way to God would be through Jesus (pbuh)
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Yes, this is my understanding as well.
Also although the books are corrupted, they contain many righteous teachings. Yes, it is better to follow the Qu'ran, but some Jews and Christians will refuse.
Can someone corrupt me if I'm wrong, but apparently there is no mention of a trinitarian concept in the Christian scriptures?
Christians may bring up the verse which says "There is no way to God other than through me."
However we can apply this to all Prophets, there was no way to find Allah other than through Muhammad (pbuh) and I believe that the above verse was for the people of that time. The seal of the prophets was not around at that time right so for that time the only way to God would be through Jesus (pbuh)
I've discovered that Genesis says that "God rested from the work"
New Living Translation (?2007)
On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work.English Standard Version (?2001)
And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.New American Standard Bible (?1995)
By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.GOD'S WORD? Translation (?1995)
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing. On the seventh day he stopped the work he had been doing. (The first of only two translations which removes that He rested. I don't have any knowledge of whether this is or is not an authentic/credible translationKing James Bible
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.American King James Version
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.American Standard Version
And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.Bible in Basic English
And on the seventh day God came to the end of all his work; and on the seventh day he took his rest from all the work which he had done.Douay-Rheims Bible
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.Darby Bible Translation
And God had finished on the seventh day his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.English Revised Version
And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.Webster's Bible Translation
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.World English Bible
On the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.Young's Literal Translation
and God completeth by the seventh day His work which He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His work which He hath made.The second one which removed rest. I don't know why or if this is an authentic/credible translationThe preceding is a commentary on why this does not mean that he did not rest from the work he had done out of exhaustion.
Ge 22-7. The First Sabbath.
- and he rested on the seventh day-not to repose from exhaustion with labor (see Isa 402, but ceased from working, an example equivalent to a command that we also should cease from labor of every kind.
28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.So I agree with Isa 4028, God does not grow tired or weary. However all the above translations say he rested from the work he had done. What else could this mean other than all the work he had done required rest?
Perhaps God wants them to examine their books carefully if they refuse to follow the Qu'ran to see its contradictions.
For example, Deuteronomy 3015-18 states the clear conditions for the covenant it states that the Jews are to uphold their end of the the deal, and God will uphold His in return.
However there is also another verse which attributes to God saying the land will always be yours...so God is abrogating His words according to these previous scriptures. I feel He hopes that those who study the scriptures truthfully and with honesty and not with blindness will dwell on these contradictions and with God's will take heed.
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Even Christians read the seventh day God rested and think but 'wait God doesn't need to rest' so why do that? The answer we have is that it is a model for us to rest 1/7 days and to set aside a day to thank God. Do you really think and regard this passage as a contradiction between the bible and God's nature or could you consider that you made a simplistic interpretation to give you a reason not to read further?
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Even Christians read the seventh day God rested and think but 'wait God doesn't need to rest' so why do that? The answer we have is that it is a model for us to rest 1/7 days and to set aside a day to thank God. Do you really think and regard this passage as a contradiction between the bible and God's nature or could you consider that you made a simplistic interpretation to give you a reason not to read further?
So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.
It says he blessed and hallowed the day, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation. A formidable task, but nothing beyond the limits of the All Mighty. The one who does not grow tired or weary and in need of rest. It says in plain English he blessed it because on it God rested from all his work which he had done.
ISAIAH 4028 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.I posted this on another forum, and the person said he rested to enjoy the fruit of his creation.
Enjoying the fruit of your work happens because it was hard for you right? So you enjoy it because of the toil & labour required right?
Yet Isaiah 4828 says He does not grow weary or tired.
God is All Powerful, He can destroy as easily as He can create. The Lord giveth as easily as He taketh away right? This is why we are to fear Him. So why does He rest to enjoy the fruit of His labour? This is all nothing for Him, absolutely nothing, it is marvelous for us, creation, the universe, is all marvelous for us, but absolutely nothing for Him. Yet the verses state differently, He rested from all the work He had done.
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Really? It's that black and white and dogmatic to you?
We both know that a lot of discussion about God involves anthropomorphism of God. For instance we often say God holds us in his hands but we don't literally think God has hands but it conveys completely adequately God's caring nature. So when the Bible says 'God rested' I immediately think anthropomorphically - don't you?
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Really? It's that black and white and dogmatic to you?
We both know that a lot of discussion about God involves anthropomorphism of God. For instance we often say God holds us in his hands but we don't literally think God has hands but it conveys completely adequately God's caring nature. So when the Bible says 'God rested' I immediately think anthropomorphically - don't you?
I don't disagree when it says he holds us he doesn't literally mean His hands, which I don't think He has. I just don't see how God blessed and hallowed this day because He rested after all the work he did can mean anything besides rested because of all the work that He did
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I don't disagree when it says he holds us he doesn't literally mean His hands, which I don't think He has. I just don't see how God blessed and hallowed this day because He rested after all the work he did can mean anything besides rested because of all the work that He did
I don't think God goes to fabricland to get a veil when He places veils on our hearts, I don't take that literally, but I don't see how I could take this particular verse in any other way?
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Really? It's that black and white and dogmatic to you?
We both know that a lot of discussion about God involves anthropomorphism of God. For instance we often say God holds us in his hands but we don't literally think God has hands but it conveys completely adequately God's caring nature. So when the Bible says 'God rested' I immediately think anthropomorphically - don't you?
speaking of black and white and dogmatic, can you explain why you believe that Jesus was the Son of God in a black and white and dogmatic way. God doesn't actually have hands right? Did he actually bear a son though?
Correct me if I am wrong, but David referred to himself/or was referred to as the son of God too, correct? Did you interpret this in a black and white and dogmatic way?
Why do you believe the "only way to the Father is through me" in a black and white and dogmatic way? Which peoples did Jesus teach, Jews or others? Why is Jesus referred to as the good shepherd? Was he the shepherd of mankind or the shepherd of the Jews? Why then was he referred to as the King of Jews and accused by the Sanhedrin council of falsely declaring himself as the King of the Jews?
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It says in plain English he blessed it because on it God rested from all his work which he had done.
Torah wasnt written in plain English though. Nor is Torah 'word for word from God' as Quran is, Torah was from God written by men and for men once God had made heaven and Earth and 'stopped' they would see that as 'rested' or 'stopped working' because mans knowledge is limited. There is also much lost in translation with the older books and much still lost OF the older books.
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Torah wasnt written in plain English though. Nor is Torah 'word for word from God' as Quran is, Torah was from God written by men and for men once God had made heaven and Earth and 'stopped' they would see that as 'rested' or 'stopped working' because mans knowledge is limited. There is also much lost in translation with the older books and much still lost OF the older books.
The Qu'ran is the word of God though right? Then why does the Qu'ran directly refute the notion of Him resting if this was not the actual word? Why doesn't wootah himself disagree with the usage of the word rested and instead say that I am getting the wrong meaning?
"We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us" (503
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Why is it that Allah clearly prohibits us from following scriptures aside from the Qur'an
In what HADITH after ALLAH and HIS AYAT will they believe?
In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?
In what HADITH after THIS will they believe?
Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?
They insist upon following conjecture, when THE GUIDANCE is GIVEN to them from their Lord.
But tells us that whoever believes in the Quran, the christian scriptures, the jewish scriptures, leads a righteous life and believes in the last day will enter paradise ??
Thanks
salam uZi & all,
let us look at the transliteration and quote The Message
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Inna allatheena amanoo waallatheena hadoo waalnnasara waalssabi-eena man amana biAllahi waalyawmi al-akhiri waAAamila salihan falahum ajruhum AAinda rabbihim wala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoona
262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve. -
Inna allatheena amanoo waallatheena hadoo waalssabi-oona waalnnasara man amana biAllahi waalyawmi al-akhiri waAAamila salihan fala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoona
569 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.
i trust the key phrase is 'waAAamila salihan'.
The Message considered it to be 'and does good works'. but what was understood by the others on this 'waAAamila salihan'?
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Sahih International
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.Muhsin Khan
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.Pickthall
Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.Yusuf Ali
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.Shakir
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.Dr. Ghali
Surely (the ones) who have believed and the ones who have Judaized and the Nasara (Christians) and the Sabi'in, (Sabaeans) whoever have believed in Allah and the Last Day and done righteousness, then they will have their reward in the Providence of their Lord, and no fear will be on them, neither will they grieve.Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Surely those who believe, before, in the prophets, and those of Jewry, the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans, a Christian or Jewish sect, whoever, from among them, believes in God and the Last Day, in the time of our Prophet, and performs righteous deeds, according to the Law given to him ? their wage, that is, the reward for their deeds, is with their Lord, and no fear shall befall them, neither shall they grieve (the person of the verbs mana, ?believes?, and ?amila, ?performs?, takes account of the form of man, ?whoever?, but in what comes afterwards its meaning ).569
Sahih International
Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews or Sabeans or Christians - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.Muhsin Khan
Surely, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah, in His Messenger Muhammad SAW and all that was revealed to him from Allah), those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, - whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.Pickthall
Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians - Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.Yusuf Ali
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.Shakir
Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.Dr. Ghali
Surely the ones who have believed and the ones who have Judaized, and the Sab???n, (Sabaeans) and the Nasara, (The Christians) whoever has believed in Allah and the Last Day and done righteousness, then no fear will be on them, nor will they grieve.Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Surely those who believe and those of Jewry ( the subject of the clause), namely, the Jews, and the Sabaeans, a sect among them, and the Christians (and substitutes for the subject) whoever, of them, believes in God and the Last Day and behaves righteously ? no fear shall befall them, neither shall they grieve, in the Hereafter (this is the predicate of the subject and also indicates the predicate of inna, ?surely?).the people implied here are
a. 'allatheena amanoo' / those people who believed
b. 'waallatheena hadoo' / and those people who were jewish or became jews
c. 'waalssabi-oona' or 'waalssabi-eena' / and the sabians
d. 'waalnnasara' / and the nasarabut the criteria is
a. 'man amana biAllahi waalyawmi al-akhir' / whoever believed in God and the last day
b. 'waAAamila salihan' / and did righteousness / worked righteousness / does righteousnessbut, what does 'waAAamila salihan' / and did righteousness / worked righteousness / does righteousness means?
or we should actually view it to mean 'doing right' or 'doing the right things'? right here implies rights or righteousness according to God, rather than rights according to man (what the human mind can grasp). doing the right things here should mean doing what God has commanded, taught or advised to be the right things to do, while refraining from all that God has commanded, taught or advised to be the wrong things to do.
what is the meaning of being 'allatheena amanoo' / those people who believed, if they do not do the right things? surely they will experience the opposite of 'fala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoon' / there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. they will surely be in fear and be in grief if they did not do the right things.
while for 'allatheena hadoo' / those people who were jewish or became jews and 'alssabi-oona' or 'waalssabi-eena' / the sabians or 'alnnasara' / the nasara, 'fala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoon' / there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve, if they 'AAamila salihan' / did righteousness / worked righteousness / does righteousness or 'did right' or 'were doing the right things'.
interestingly 'AAamila salihan' may also mean 'improved himself' or 'mend his ways' or 'reformed his ways' or 'reformed himself'. it is common knowledge that when one has erred one should mend his ways or reformed himself/his ways. so here it implies that everyone must improve his/her ways, irrespective whether one is a believer of God and the last day, or otherwise.
on what and how to improve one's self/ways, one can learn from the qur'an. in fact that is the main objective of the qur'an, to provide the main/general guidelines for everyone to the right/correct way of passing through this period of life. for specifics, one has to communicate with God himself.
peace
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