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the prophet Ayoub suffered the biggest and the worst suffering on earth before, today and in the future, no one will suffer like him, so stop excusing. You know that in the day of Judgement the prophet will be witnessed our actions, so any excuse from you, will not be acceptable.
What??? So you are telling me if someone with no money makes shahada and has tattoo's they need to spend thousands (depending on the extent of the tattoos) to get them removed? I could understand if when you have the available funds you should, but if you don't what do you do? Use a credit card? No...can't do that because then you are paying interest.
I don't know what you mean by me make excuses. Like I said, if you are legitimately broke and can't afford the removal then Allah knows better than anyone the situation you are in (like if you can't afford to make Hajj in your lifetime)....on the flip side Allah would know when (or if) you are out of that situation and can remove them.
As someone who has great respect for the story of the Prophet Ayyub (s) I don't feel it is appropriate to say to someone who doesn't have enough money to remove a tattoo (as in the situation I put forth in my original post) to say Well Prophet Ayyub (s) suffered more then you, so stop making excuses and find away to do it.
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As someone who has great respect for the story of the Prophet Ayyub (s) I don't feel it is appropriate to say to someone who doesn't have enough money to remove a tattoo (as in the situation I put forth in my original post) to say Well Prophet Ayyub (s) suffered more then you, so stop making excuses and find away to do it.
bravo
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As someone who has great respect for the story of the Prophet Ayyub (s) I don't feel it is appropriate to say to someone who doesn't have enough money to remove a tattoo (as in the situation I put forth in my original post) to say Well Prophet Ayyub (s) suffered more then you, so stop making excuses and find away to do it.
Money is not an excuse, if there is a will there is a way!
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maybe you and reformer should send the money if you see it as so important
aha , the boy made the problem but call his dad to jail .
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aha , the boy made the problem but call his dead to jail .
'the boy made the problem' before he became a muslim. IMHO he shouldnt further mutilate his body to remove them after he became a muslim. If you think he should when he has already explained his financial position then isnt the 'islamic' thing to do to help him, or shut up?
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Peace, in my case as I stated, unless I have thousands of pounds to spare I cannot remove my tattoos. If I had the odd one I would but I have them all over my neck, back, front, arms & hands, over 10 years of work. If I had thousands of pounds to spare I'd rather give it to charity & not spend it on myself which I'm sure is a sin. It's a no win situation giveup
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'the boy made the problem' before he became a muslim. IMHO he shouldnt further mutilate his body to remove them after he became a muslim. If you think he should when he has already explained his financial position then isnt the 'islamic' thing to do to help him, or shut up?
well, I know your eager to defend his situation because it's yours too . Different Strokes for different Folks.
I've advised, so ears pulling will hurt my hand . do whatever you want.
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aha , the boy made the problem but call his dad to jail .
was that aimed at me?
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Peace Brother Thereformer1, as far as I know it's not a crime either in the Qur'an or in the U.K. to have tattoos, also I'm not a boy, I'm 31, & I don't have a dad, so your post ' aha , the boy made the problem but call his dad to jail' is false.
Since my shahada I have still got tattooed, but Islamic ones, which you may feel is even worse! Such as Al Fatiha covering my whole back.
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Peace Brother Thereformer1, as far as I know it's not a crime either in the Qur'an or in the U.K. to have tattoos, also I'm not a boy, I'm 31, & I don't have a dad, so your post ' aha , the boy made the problem but call his dad to jail' is false.
Since my shahada I have still got tattooed, but Islamic ones, which you may feel is even worse! Such as Al Fatiha covering my whole back.
you were not asking for the money so brother Thereformer1's post was not directed to you. thanks
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peace, who was it aimed at then?
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peace, who was it aimed at then?
look this is a saying "the boy makes problem but call his father to jail". when Aysha told me that you (me)gave them money for removing the tattoos, I said this saying to mean that he does the problem, so he solve it himself not calling others to take charges for him or to pay his own mistakes.
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Since my shahada I have still got tattooed, but Islamic ones, which you may feel is even worse! Such as Al Fatiha covering my whole back.
oh my God!! that's worse, fatiha in your back , what the hell is that ? you know that he is a bidh'a and every bidh'a with its maker in hell. take as read .
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the only person said nonsense is you
Could you please stop being rude and accusing everyone who disagrees with you of talking nonsense? That doesn't get us anywhere and just creates a hostile atmosphere. http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif
I explained why I think the hadith in question can not really be applied. You disagree, fine, that's your right, but childish attacks are really uncalled for.
In any case -- as has been pointed out to you, people come to this forum in order to discuss things in relation to the Qur'an and to not have ahadeeth and fatawa thrown at them left and right, as is the case in so many other places. So we can skip the debate about how to interpret the hadith.
I've watched an american Muslim who used to have tattoos After Islam but when he got to be in Islam, he removed their tattoos and nothing happened to him, it's cost a hard money, but he will relief himself from being out of the community of Islam .
A person is not out of the fold of Islam because he has a tattoo. Even those who consider it a sin wouldn't go as far as declaring such a thing.
another reason from you to make tattoos? the hadith is clear , the verses are clear, so if you want to make following your desires, and you know what I mean , go look for a verse describe your case.
The only one following his desires here is you. Your desire is to show everyone else they are wrong, and you are using phrases without thinking, simply based on your prejudices and in order to attack people.
Have I said anywhere that I have a tattoo or would like to get one? No. So what makes you come to the conclusion that I am looking for "another reason" to get a tattoo? http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif I see the argument that someone is "only following his own desires" and "wants to make things easier for himself" brought on so often in an attempt to shut people up and keep them from further inquiring things. That's not only wrong, it's an attempt at brainwashing.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
(Aristotle)I think some tattoos look great, but I don't have one myself and would never get one. I simply don't like the idea of doing something irreversal to my body.
As for whether it's forbidden or not -- I think that really depends on the personal understanding of 4119. I can see both options in there. But in any case, even if we were to conclude that it is forbidden, it is certainly not a "major sin" or something that puts people in the category of disbelievers.
That said, I find it very hypocritical that scholars and new converts are putting so much energy into discussing this subject at length (and eyebrow plucking, hair dyeing etc. pp.) while at the same time ignoring more pressing problems in relation to this verse. In various Muslim countries (and in Europe too) thousands of women are subjected to FGM which is a more than clear violation of 4119. Yet we hear some scholars defending it while at the same time banning tattoos and eyebrow plucking. Does this make any inkling of sense?!
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o wow imagine choosing Al Baqara o
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I think Arabic lends itself very well for usage in tattoos, and I find that very interesting from a designer's point of view. If I was to get a tattoo, I would want it to be very personal and create my own calligraphy. A band of type around the upper arm in Andalusian Maghribi script would also be cool.
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Never got a henna tattoo, maybe that would be something worth trying for a special occasion. http//foolstown.com/sm/rev.gifThere is a book about Arabic tattoos ... might be interesting for anyone thinking about getting one
http//www.markbattypublisher.com/images/ArabicCover.jpg
http//www.amazon.com/Arabic-Tattoos-Jon-Udelson/dp/0977985083
And a website on Arabic tattoos
http//arabictattoodesign.com/
Some literature about traditional Islamic calligraphy might also be great for inspiration. I have this book and highly recommend it to anyone interested in the subject. It's the best I've come across so far.
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The Splendor of Islamic Calligraphy
http//www.amazon.com/Splendor-Islamic-Calligraphy-Abdelkebir-Khatibi/dp/0500016755
The Khatt Foundation, Center for Arabic Typography is a great resource for anyone interested in contemporary Arabic typography and calligraphy.
And ... slightly OT ... some of those wall tattoos are really nice. yes
http//www.halaltattoo.com/www/thumbs/10_kl.jpg
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http//www.halaltattoo.com/
Project Mulsaq The Khatt Design Collection of Wall Stickers
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Could you please stop being rude and accusing everyone who disagrees with you of talking nonsense? That doesn't get us anywhere and just creates a hostile atmosphere.
ah I forgot, I'm talking to an angel, you first said that my post was nonsense. I don't care if you disagree with me or not, because after all you say nothing.
I explained why I think the hadith in question can not really be applied. You disagree, fine, that's your right, but childish attacks are really uncalled for.
you attacked me first. by seeing this is nonsense, so next time read your posts before talking to me .
In any case -- as has been pointed out to you, people come to this forum in order to discuss things in relation to the Qur'an and to not have ahadeeth and fatawa thrown at them left and right, as is the case in so many other places. So we can skip the debate about how to interpret the hadith.
so your problem is ahadith, and what about taking a saying from a philosopher , is that ok ? yeah sure it's ok, because those are a sayings of a philosopher wich they are accepted and those are a sayings of the prophet wich they are not accepted, well done , what a crap.
A person is not out of the fold of Islam because he has a tattoo. Even those who consider it a sin wouldn't go as far as declaring such a thing.
I said the community of Islam>>>> read the post before posting.
The only one following his desires here is you. Your desire is to show everyone else they are wrong, and you are using phrases without thinking, simply based on your prejudices and in order to attack people.
aha, that's really strange, defending tattoos despites all the verses that I gave is not from your desires . whatever.Is this a new fatwa from Al-Azhar???!!!!!!
Have I said anywhere that I have a tattoo or would like to get one? No. So what makes you come to the conclusion that I am looking for "another reason" to get a tattoo? http//img337.imageshack.us/img337/3135/iconconfused.gif I see the argument that someone is "only following his own desires" and "wants to make things easier for himself" brought on so often in an attempt to shut people up and keep them from further inquiring things. That's not only wrong, it's an attempt at brainwashing.
you said it's ok tattos and you defend their situation, I didn't say that you want to get a tattoo, defending them will not make you different from them .
for the rest of the reply is a bla bla bla .It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
(Aristotle)I think this quote is for you .because I want to open your eyes yet you're screaming he will blow up my eyes.
I think some tattoos look great.
wondering your first question "what makes you come to that conclusion ? " ..
As for whether it's forbidden or not -- I think that really depends on the personal understanding of 4119. I can see both options in there. But in any case, even if we were to conclude that it is forbidden, it is certainly not a "major sin" or something that puts people in the category of disbelievers.
Oh My God !! what options? this is what you're doing "interpretting the verse by your desires "I can see both option"", you want to make things by your point of viewn, there is no options , you're not in a competition in choosing an option, the verse is clear and so the interpretation is clearrrrr
That said, I find it very hypocritical that scholars and new converts are putting so much energy into discussing this subject at length (and eyebrow plucking, hair dyeing etc. pp.) while at the same time ignoring more pressing problems in relation to this verse. In various Muslim countries (and in Europe too) thousands of women are subjected to FGM which is a more than clear violation of 4119. Yet we hear some scholars defending it while at the same time banning tattoos and eyebrow plucking. Does this make any inkling of sense?!
hypnoah I found your second problem, try to equal man and woman, you're not different from the woman that she demanded from the women's right to be an Imam in a mosque in usa and she succeed in that and she really did it, and she makes all the Muslims disgusting her.