CONVERSATIONS WITH A HADITH FOLLOWER
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Some people think yhey know it all, they became more arrogant than sunnis since they think they're on the right path, they even afford to make jokes to prouve their points as slapping the prophet or calling him dumb etc, they talk with a sunni with such an agression and mockery that made them arrogant without them feeling it
there's a difference between lnowing the truth, and living the truth, allah said to his prophet ' lasta aalayhim bi mosaytir" I see people hurting each others feelings specially when he's a sunni or shi'a, if he was an american or europeen christian, they take all the time and with respect to explain to him his stupid ideas, they never tell him go to jesus your idol, or church is your hadith with any harshness,
they think they're quranists, but are they living like a quran, meaning, be kind to each other , talk with what is best arguments, etc.......... I don't think so, a lot of quranists enjoy degrading the prophet because they feel they can, I mean come on, a little respect for the chosen one by allah to bring his glorious book, you do not defend the prophet of the lies attributed to him by making a mockery from him
Quranists, Sunnis, Shi'a, Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, to me they're all the same, the differences are interpretations in ideology, but in the end, allah said the best among you is the most pious
Allah praised the generation of mohamed and called them the best umma nation in the history of mankind ( kountoum khayra ummatin oukhrijet linness) meaning the most pious , so what about their ruler and teacher?
Quranists must accept the high standard character of Mohamed and it is the quran that wintnesses thisn abd give respect to the one who was honored by been the seal of the prophets
Unless ofcourse you take only what u like from the quran, and ignore what doesn't satisfy your hearts
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Some people think yhey know it all, they became more arrogant than sunnis since they think they're on the right path, they even afford to make jokes to prouve their points as slapping the prophet or calling him dumb etc, they talk with a sunni with such an agression and mockery that made them arrogant without them feeling it
there's a difference between lnowing the truth, and living the truth, allah said to his prophet ' lasta aalayhim bi mosaytir" I see people hurting each others feelings specially when he's a sunni or shi'a, if he was an american or europeen christian, they take all the time and with respect to explain to him his stupid ideas, they never tell him go to jesus your idol, or church is your hadith with any harshness,
they think they're quranists, but are they living like a quran, meaning, be kind to each other , talk with what is best arguments, etc.......... I don't think so, a lot of quranists enjoy degrading the prophet because they feel they can, I mean come on, a little respect for the chosen one by allah to bring his glorious book, you do not defend the prophet of the lies attributed to him by making a mockery from him
Quranists, Sunnis, Shi'a, Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, to me they're all the same, the differences are interpretations in ideology, but in the end, allah said the best among you is the most pious
Allah praised the generation of mohamed and called them the best umma nation in the history of mankind ( kountoum khayra ummatin oukhrijet linness) meaning the most pious , so what about their ruler and teacher?
Quranists must accept the high standard character of Mohamed and it is the quran that wintnesses thisn abd give respect to the one who was honored by been the seal of the prophets
Unless ofcourse you take only what u like from the quran, and ignore what doesn't satisfy your hearts
Salaam loxbox13. You make good points that we should try not to become to harsh. It's hard sometimes though...we are all human. I was told today that it seems all I want to do is argue. But it's subjective isn't it. I do want to argue, though I saw it as 'discussion' and sometimes when you really think you are on the right track and you are talking to someone who believes differently this comes out as being arrogant. Sometimes it is and other times it may not be. But I do agree that it's important not to be carried along by arrogance.
I think it was the comment regarding that particular hadith I mentioned in my last post (though I wasn't the first to bring it up) that caused this trouble? That hadith is quite troublesome - it's very hard to take it seriously and this is a forum to discuss Quran only matters so surely it's not mocking the Prophet by saying it's a silly story when you don't believe it's attributable to Muhammad in the first place? I don't see that as anything to do with Prophet Muhammad.
peace
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Hi all, especially to the new people
I am not very old on this forum, just a few months. In the beginning I was shocked sometimes how older forum members were talking, sometimes even insulting eachother...But then I realized that those guys have been around for quite some while, they knew eachother well and have argued and discussed many items in the past, gotten angry, made peace, gotten angry again, made peace.... With that in mind, I understood the harshness.
Just a hint. peace
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Peace to all!
I have one very,very strange hadith,and it is atack on my faith.
I have it on my language,not on english,cant find it,maybe litlle help?
It is about time when prophet was boy and angel took his heart from chats
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Peace to all!
I have one very,very strange hadith,and it is atack on my faith.
I have it on my language,not on english,cant find it,maybe litlle help?
It is about time when prophet was boy and angel took his heart from chats
and than turn it back.Do you know these hadith?Whoa, I've never heard of that one so I did a google search for it.
Here's what I came up withSahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.345 Narrated by Abu Dhar
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it.Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429 Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief.Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.227 Narrated by Abbas bin Malik
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven?? -
Whoa, I've never heard of that one so I did a google search for it.
Here's what I came up withSahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.345 Narrated by Abu Dhar
Allah's Apostle said, "While I was at Mecca the roof of my house was opened and Gabriel descended, opened my chest, and washed it with Zam-zam water. Then he brought a golden tray full of wisdom and faith and having poured its contents into my chest, he closed it.Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429 Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief.Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.227 Narrated by Abbas bin Malik
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven??These is maybe the proof about hadiths disagreement.
I have a book called"Er-rahiku-l-Mahtum"from author Safijurrahman El Mubarekfuri.
On page 60 it is wroten that these hadith is from Muslim over Enes and that event happened
when Muhamed was little boy.Muhamed was 4,or 5 years old. Not at Night Journey how it is wroten in hadith which you posted.These happened in place called Ben Sa'd,thats write in hadith.
Something is wrong here.Four werses about one event?
Or angel cut Muhamed chest,and take hes heart four times? -
Excellent response you have given to this follower of Hadiths.
I'm from Colombia and I recently had an exchange of ideas in Facebook with a lady who decided to block me because I told him that the Quran is explained by itself and did not need the Hadith.
It is disturbing to note how the vast majority of Muslims have this misconception and defend it tooth and nail.
I read how this woman was telling another friend of the forum, he is sad to see how some Muslims only believe in the Koran. " -
Excellent response you have given to this follower of Hadiths.
I'm from Colombia and I recently had an exchange of ideas in Facebook with a lady who decided to block me because I told him that the Quran is explained by itself and did not need the Hadith.
It is disturbing to note how the vast majority of Muslims have this misconception and defend it tooth and nail.
I read how this woman was telling another friend of the forum, he is sad to see how some Muslims only believe in the Koran. "There are examples of this absolutely everywhere. It's like all the hadith have conspired to, over the years, create a Muslim who will not back down, will not see reason, will not ''read'' the Quran.
I've met many muslims who are afraid to have anything to do with people like us and it seems to be a fear in them that somehow our 'lack of faith' (as they see it) will rub off on them and they might lose faith too. I always wonder about that. I mean if they think they might lose their faith from being around Muslims with differing views to them (like those who follow Quran only) or a Muslim who is going through a struggle and genuinely is suffering from low Iman at the time, well maybe they don't really have any faith in Islam to start with. I have said to a number of people that I don't believe Islam is that weak that it will fall apart if we debate it or look at it critically. So for me, it's those people who think Islam can be hurt so easily that have the problem.
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Excellent response you have given to this follower of Hadiths.
I'm from Colombia and I recently had an exchange of ideas in Facebook with a lady who decided to block me because I told him that the Quran is explained by itself and did not need the Hadith.
It is disturbing to note how the vast majority of Muslims have this misconception and defend it tooth and nail.
I read how this woman was telling another friend of the forum, he is sad to see how some Muslims only believe in the Koran. "welcome to Free-Minds.
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I can see why extremists are extremists. Because they follow all hearsay stories authenticated by scholars
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Salam and Peace!
I can see why extremists are extremists. Because they follow all hearsay stories authenticated by scholars
The Bukhari-followers are extremists, because they know that they can not defend their wrong belief.
They are afraid of coming to Allah's Quran, because there is The Truth in there.
And they love Al-Bukhari and the likes, because they find in there what their "dirty desires" want.