Who can understand better?
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I can excuse you for that cause you are too simple Sunni believe that Quran is a noble book but they don?t believe what is written in it, ;D
When I told a Sunni Quran is telling us this he said may be it is in Quran but I will follow what the bearded god (Mulla) tell me.
yayBut is their belief in the book strong- beyond doubt.
You and me find in some cases it is nonsensical that is why we try and find different meanings - that make sense , so our belief in the book, which they had before us, is/ wasn't as strong.
Our belief in the Book (which, remember, you got from them and not from the Almighty) was weak, so we looked for alternative scenarios and mistranslated it. ;D
But our faith in the Almighty is very strong.
To us He is perfect, so if it is from Him it must also be perfect - so we try to translate it to match His wisdom - i would say, how about you?God Bless All.
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Peace all,
Actually the quran is originally written in a language- Arabic. This obviously has made Arabic a medium of access to the quran. However, the quran is a message/meanings which can as well be expressesed in other human languages. The fact remains that humankind is the subject matter of the quran. It addresses/invites humankinds generally but guides those that heed the call.
A person who has realized himself and out of conviction submit to the merciful lord is of consequence cut off from the gods. This person is thereafter confronted with new challenges of life and in handling the challenges, the quran comes in as a guide. This person may not necessarily understand the so much talk about classical Arabic but stand to benefit more from the quran as he has started the journey of life to which the quran invites.
Remember the merciful lord is the one that teaches the quran and this He does by a person?s submission.THINK ABOUT IT.
ZUBAIRUS
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salam omeiza,
experience tells me to say, it's neither. one doesn't need classical arabic to understand the qur'an, because the language of the qur'an is the spoken language of muhammad's time. perhaps more refined, but still, it was the spoken language at his time.
'full knowledge of the self'... this is a very pregnant word, and varied too. i'd rather speak on a basic knowledge of the self as opposed to full knowledge, since full knowledge entails an expensive comprehension on the truth of the essence, attributes & states of the self.
experience also tells me that a basic understanding of the self might be sufficient, and an introduction to the self (here i do not distinguish between the truth and the conjured) could be gathered by reading surat 96 (al-AAalaq). here we could learn the very basic facts of who we are in relation to our rabb. our rabb is our creator, thus we are creations of our rabb. since our rabb is our creator, our rabb is the only one with full knowledge of us - our strength, weakness, tendencies, likings, etc. as such, in surat 96 we are told that we depend fully on our rabb, to the effect that to our rabb is 'al-rujAAa' or 'the reference'. so essentially, in anything or everything, we should refer to our rabb.
in surat 96 too we are told that He teaches man what man does not know. so, perhaps it could be said that the onus is on us correct this relationship between us and our rabb. effectively, it means, whenever we want to learn or know about anything that we do not know, we must seek an understanding from our rabb. this would be the correct way, methink.
interestingly last night a friend came to tell me about his personal experience with God. he was a very elated person when we met last night. in fact he said to the effect that he is a man in love with God. and he came to thank me (thank God, actually) for sharing my experience with him. a couple of weeks ago, he was pouring his hearts out - his frustrations, confusions and worries.
then i explained to him about what kind of relationship we should have with God. we are always fond of saying we believe in God, but are usually at a loss in effecting a relationship with God. the usual thing people do to their God is to ask, ask and ask God for long life and an abundance of wealth. that has always been the norm - we ask, ask and ask. we never thought that in God we could enjoy much more than to ask. in fact, in God we can share our dreams or wishes, worries or concerns, elations or contentment. when God has declared that He is the teacher, the onus is definitely on us to acknowledge and respect Him as our teacher. when God has declared that He is closer than our jugular veins, the onus is on us to address Him appropriately decibel-wise. so i did suggest to him to consider trying to have a more meaningful relationship with God, and to start by having a conversation with God. try to talk to God, but it's up to Him whether He wants to talk to us or otherwise. what is a relationship without communications anyway?
so last night he told me about his elations and contentments. God has never spoken to him, but he said, "The strange part is I kinda sensed that He is listening, and acknowledging! It's a strange feeling."
and i could see a changed man in front of me last night - a man in love, he said. he went off at about 1.15am since he said he wanted to make sure of keeping his appointment with God at 2.00am. hopefully he would consider to ponder the fact that the relationship with God is all the time (non-stop).
so, regarding "Who can understand better?", perhaps i could say that those people under God's tutorship will definitely get a better understanding of things. be among those, shall we?
may God guide us the correct way, insha-Allah.
mohammed noh
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Peace Muhamad Noh.
Good talk. The bottom line is that the awareness of oneself is a prerequisite and is the starting point in the journey of life. A person must first realise that he/she is selfish before he can decide for a change.Then, the strugle commence. A Person must realise he/she has a merciful lord, willing and able to guide him/her and on this conviction he/she submit.
But what is happening is that peaple have their life they are living at the instance of their selfish desires and they want to employ the merciful lord in actualizing their selfish aspiration. We are really ungrateful to our lord.
We are created the best of all creatures and assigned the resposibility to represent the creator on earth.Yes, living upto the responsibility is a matter of choice.
Fundamentally, any one who has decided to submit to the lord begin to see life from a realistic perspective. His interest is the truth of life, relying on the merciful lord and of necessity he is aversed to rebellion against the truth in any form.On these his values of life are build. As you have rightly mentioned, he communicate with his lord, and in Him, he finds contentment in this world, while looking forward for eternal bliss from Him in the world beyond.
The choice really is our.
ZUBAIRUS
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Salaam Joe Betik! Do you agree that the theme of the Qur'an is the SELF with reference to Q917-10?
salam omeiza,
the verses you mentioned are indeed referring to the self. no doubt about that. in fact, the 'self' is being mentioned (or perhaps even discussed in detail) in many places in the qur'an.
but to be frank with you, i have never thought about the theme of the qur'an. so the most appropriate & best thing for me to say is, i dunno.
and zubairus, we are in agreement that indeed the choice is ours - to 'sujud' (respect or revere) or otherwise. some say they 'sujood', but 'disagreeably', while there are also others who are 'in agreement/acknowledge' but do not 'sujud' (respect or revere), thus the phrase 'rukaAAi sujud' or 'acknowledge/attest with respect/reverence.'
but this are just my personal thoughts, and i could always be off the mark. still, please consider to ponder.
peace
mohammed noh -
Is it a person with full knowledge of classical Arabic language or a person with full knowledge of the SELF?
Both are important in my opinion.
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Full knowledge of the self encompasses all language, truth, knowing, structures, sight, hearing. Good luck with that.