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Wife beating in islam? The Quran strikes back

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  • WakasW Offline
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    Wakas
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    #67

    Yes, I dont mind there not being an image as such.

    Take your time, then DaRaBa what you have.

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      Leyna
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      #68

      Maybe just some sort of typographic collage with the Arabic, highlighting the "daraba" or something like that? hmm

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        Wakas
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        #69

        Sounds like it has potential.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          loxbox13
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          peace all,

          I have finished the formatting for the book version
          www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam-quran434.doc (Word doc, right click, save as)

          If people have time to proofread it for any errors or even feedback, let me know.

          Proposed book cover shown below. Feel free to give feedback, or even create others.

          http//www.quran434.com/Quran434-book-cover.jpg

          Good work brother, I appreciate it

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            Mazhar
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            Yes, I understand your train of thought regarding the choice of pictures. Still, I believe the glove / boxing hand carries particular connotations that could be problematic.

            Also because those who advocate its meanings as "beating" they add such explanations and reservations which almost means "flowery beating".

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              huruf
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              #72

              I like that play of words with the Qur'an strikes back. The graphic may be misleading in the sense that it confirms what is negted with wordes, even if it is not done with that purpose. I think it defeats the thrust of the words. An image suggesting the opposite would be more congruent.

              Salaam

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                Wakas
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                peace all,

                I was needing some feedback on something. I was thinking of not including "about the author" pages in the book. Mainly because to me who authors are is irrelevant to the validity of the content, but some have found it helpful to understand how the work came about. Any thoughts?

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Wakas
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                  #74

                  A new cover was designed for the book

                  http//img692.imageshack.us/img692/1208/greennewfinal.jpg

                  Thoughts?

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    wildguest1956
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                    #75

                    The understanding of DRB in 434 as "cite / indicate / put/show forth them" (to the authority) is the ONLY understanding that provides perfect internal coherence in The Quran.

                    Why not translating it by "move away" / "depart" / "leave" ?
                    http//gender-az.org/index_en.shtml?id_doc=457
                    In Lane, you can find the confirmation this translation is possible.

                    Peace

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                      Wakas
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #76

                      peace JM,

                      That is what I used to think but the information is now overwhelming for the conclusions of www.Quran434.com

                      I recommend reading it.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        Wakas
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                        #77

                        peace All,

                        I have some great news. )

                        I received the proof copy of the book and approved it, so it will be available for online purchase in most countries within a few weeks.

                        I am planning to distribute some copies for free and/or at a nominal price. If anyone would like a copy, personal message me your name and address for shipping.

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          Wakas
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                          #78

                          peace All,

                          The book is now available to buy worldwide
                          http//www.amazon.com/Wife-Beating-Islam-Quran-Strikes/dp/1461028256/

                          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                            siki
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                            Fantastic

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                              Mazhar
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                              That is why the verse says "if you fear nushuz..." instead of for example, "if you find nushuz...". In other words, nushuz is unlikely to mean something in the husband's presence or obvious/blatant in his presence as 434 says "if you fear", so it is reasonable to assume it refers to something not done in the husband's presence. This could be related to the earlier use of "...guardians to the unseen...". If we take these factors into account, it suggests unseen "disloyalty/infidelity/ill-conduct/rebellion" in some way.

                              Peace Wakas,

                              The mood of the verb does not support this contention.

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                                Wakas
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                                peace Mazhar,

                                Please explain clearly how the mood of the verb does not support my contention.

                                Thanks.

                                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Verb Imperfect; Second person; plural; masculine; Mood Indicative; Subject pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun. (1)434(2)681(3)826(4)4827=4

                                  It indicates an act which does not take place at any one particular time, to the exclusion of any other point in time, but which takes place all the time, or rather in speaking of which no notice is taken of time, but only of duration . A verb in the indefinite aspect is used when the beginning or ending of an action, an event, or condition is unknown or unimportant to the meaning of the sentence. The indefinite aspect is also used to indicate an habitual or repeated action, event, or condition.

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                                    Wakas
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                                    Uha, and how does that disprove my contention? Please explain clearly.

                                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                      Kukumber
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                                      #84

                                      Thankyou

                                      Kukumber

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                                        Mazhar
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #85

                                        I don't know why some times a clear thing seems not clear.

                                        Pl put the contention and the perception of the verb side by side, may be it seems clear.

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                                          savage_carrot
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                                          Maybe because the way you put it is not so clear Mazhar. Other people reading this thread have little to no idea of what your issue is with that quote you selected, you do grammatical hit and runs in the hope that people get you, and it's really not enough to be clear.

                                          What are you saying anyways with the grammar tidbit? Presence or absence is not an issue? Which seems to be explained by fear and find by Wakas? Can you please clarify?

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