Wife beating in islam? The Quran strikes back
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Update
Dr Shabbir (author of QXP) has opted to modify his translation according to the findings of Quran434.com
I also provided a summary on the above thread, which I will post here also
I would like to provide a short summary for those who may not wish to read the entire work (even though I strongly recommend they do)
- idriboo/DRB was shown not to mean "beat" anywhere in The Quran
- no Classical Arabic Dictionary references 434 at all nor gives DRB=beat in a comparable example, i.e. with a direct object with no prepositions, no what/where/how
- when The Quran uses DRB to mean a physical hit/strike it ALWAYS uses the preposition "bi" (with/by)
- The understanding of "beat/strike" causes internal contradictions within The Quran, and this is also probably why no commentator, past or present, uses The Quran itself to justify this view.
- "beat" causes discrepancies between Traditional commentators, Traditional Ahadith and Classical Arabic dictionaries
- the earliest Classical Arabic dictionary (Kitab Al Ayn) does not state DRB=beat as a meaning, and only indirectly does it have DRB=strike with sword.
The understanding of DRB in 434 as "cite / indicate / put/show forth them" (to the authority) is the ONLY understanding that provides perfect internal coherence in The Quran. It is the ONLY understanding
- that provides a sequential link from 434 to 435
- to provide identical solutions between men & women in 434 and 4128
- that fits and perfectly explains 581-4
- that fits the divorce procedure of The Quran and related compensation
- that explains the reasoning behind the context of wealth/inheritance/giving/kindness etc.
- is consistent with the use of DRB with a direct object with no prepositions, in which it always means "put/show forth"
- that 100% matches the use of DRB when used with a person as the object, e.g. 273, 4357.
All praise is due to Allah.
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peace all,
I have finished the formatting for the book version
www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam-quran434.doc (Word doc, right click, save as)If people have time to proofread it for any errors or even feedback, let me know.
Proposed book cover shown below. Feel free to give feedback, or even create others.
http//www.quran434.com/Quran434-book-cover.jpg
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peace all,
I have finished the formatting for the book version
www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam-quran434.doc (Word doc, right click, save as)If people have time to proofread it for any errors or even feedback, let me know.
Proposed book cover shown below. Feel free to give feedback, or even create others.
http//www.quran434.com/Quran434-book-cover.jpg
Arabic text of all Ayat where words relating to this Root are used can be seen side by side here
Root
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aan
a) Total occurrences 58
b) No of constructions 28
The basic perception, meanings and signification of this Root has been made evident at the very first occasion of its use in the Grand Qur'aan and later by using it in this context for 31 times out of 58 occurrences
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Peace, Wakas
Proposed book cover shown below. Feel free to give feedback, or even create others.
It doesn't look professional. The layout isn't very balanced, and the image is too aggressive and sort of contradicts the message. Plus, you are using two images that have a very different illustrative style.
I'll be happy to help you with the design. Usually, I don't work for free, but this is for a very good cause. ) Maybe we can do a bit of brainstorming in this thread?
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Peace Leyna,
I'm happy to consider alternatives.
That was one I just made myself, and I'm no graphics artist! ;D
The way I saw the image was opening The Quran, i.e. reading/studying it, it actually knocks out the "wife beating in islam" argument, hence the picture. I was going for irony, a play on words and imagery etc.
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I'm happy to consider alternatives.
Let me think of some ideas, and I'll get back to you.
That was one I just made myself, and I'm no graphics artist! ;D
Well, yes, obviously.
No offense meant, btw.! I tend to be pretty direct, and criticizing other peoples' drafts is part of my job. -*
The way I saw the image was opening The Quran, i.e. reading/studying it, it actually knocks out the "wife beating in islam" argument, hence the picture. I was going for irony, a play on words and imagery etc.
Yes, I understand your train of thought regarding the choice of pictures. Still, I believe the glove / boxing hand carries particular connotations that could be problematic.
Maybe it doesn't even need an image at all ? just a simple, catchy looking cover?
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peace all,
I have finished the formatting for the book version
www.quran434.com/wife-beating-islam-quran434.doc (Word doc, right click, save as)If people have time to proofread it for any errors or even feedback, let me know.
Proposed book cover shown below. Feel free to give feedback, or even create others.
http//www.quran434.com/Quran434-book-cover.jpg
Good work brother, I appreciate it
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Yes, I understand your train of thought regarding the choice of pictures. Still, I believe the glove / boxing hand carries particular connotations that could be problematic.
Also because those who advocate its meanings as "beating" they add such explanations and reservations which almost means "flowery beating".
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I like that play of words with the Qur'an strikes back. The graphic may be misleading in the sense that it confirms what is negted with wordes, even if it is not done with that purpose. I think it defeats the thrust of the words. An image suggesting the opposite would be more congruent.
Salaam
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peace all,
I was needing some feedback on something. I was thinking of not including "about the author" pages in the book. Mainly because to me who authors are is irrelevant to the validity of the content, but some have found it helpful to understand how the work came about. Any thoughts?
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The understanding of DRB in 434 as "cite / indicate / put/show forth them" (to the authority) is the ONLY understanding that provides perfect internal coherence in The Quran.
Why not translating it by "move away" / "depart" / "leave" ?
http//gender-az.org/index_en.shtml?id_doc=457
In Lane, you can find the confirmation this translation is possible.Peace
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peace JM,
That is what I used to think but the information is now overwhelming for the conclusions of www.Quran434.com
I recommend reading it.
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peace All,
I have some great news. )
I received the proof copy of the book and approved it, so it will be available for online purchase in most countries within a few weeks.
I am planning to distribute some copies for free and/or at a nominal price. If anyone would like a copy, personal message me your name and address for shipping.
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That is why the verse says "if you fear nushuz..." instead of for example, "if you find nushuz...". In other words, nushuz is unlikely to mean something in the husband's presence or obvious/blatant in his presence as 434 says "if you fear", so it is reasonable to assume it refers to something not done in the husband's presence. This could be related to the earlier use of "...guardians to the unseen...". If we take these factors into account, it suggests unseen "disloyalty/infidelity/ill-conduct/rebellion" in some way.
Peace Wakas,
The mood of the verb does not support this contention.
