Where is the First Focal Point's place mentioned in the Quran?
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The fools are those who think that a physical direction is important or that you need to face a particular physical direction to pray to the omnipresent god.
So the first focal point was a PHYSICAL FOCAL POINT.
Of course this physical focal point is completely unimportant and this is why the god doesn't care to tell us anything about it apart from letting us know that it was a physical one since the same principle would apply regardless of what the particular physical focal point was.
Peace,
Ayman
Absolutly !
That's Why i'll never go again to a sunni mosque !! There are plenty of fools right there. The will even urge you to stick your feet with your neighboors' feet to not let the devil cross the lines ! !!!! brickwall brickwall
Salam
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Absolutly !
That's Why i'll never go again to a sunni mosque !! There are plenty of fools right there. The will even urge you to stick your feet with your neighboors' feet to not let the devil cross the lines ! !!!! brickwall brickwall
Salam
you might have gone to a mosque of those who identify themselves as Ahele Hadith.
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you might have gone to a mosque of those who identify themselves as Ahele Hadith.
Salam,
Yes, i used to pray in a morrocan mosque, and you know what ? All moroccan mosques are like that.
Moreover, i prayed with some egyptians, they told me the same thing too , if you don't stick your feet with others' feet, Ibliss would find a way to pass across the line !! I said why the hell would Ibliss pass through the line ???
they all answerd The GOD's prophet mohammed "salla allaho Alayhi wa sallama" has told you so, then you don't have to argue !!!!
That was the last time i prayed with anyone. -
Peace all,
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And when it is said for them "Believe in the manner as others from amongst the other people {at that time from Jews and Nisa'ra} have believed", they replied "Should we believe like/in the manner/what the fools have believed?" No, the fact of the matter is that they are indeed the http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%20Assuffa.gif ones who are fools, but they do not know/intend to know.I agree that The fools in general are those who follow the manmade books in lieu of God's (Quran, Torah and Injee).
However, 2-145 to 147 give us hints that the fools whom wondered ubout the change of the Focal points were the people of the Books during the prophet time.Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba.
Proof Qiblah
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdkqlVAMgkYMay Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.
Peace.
Question Where is the Bayt Alharam and the Masjed Alharam in our recent days?
Here is an experiment that anyone of us can easily do.
- Go to any Sunni, Shia or 19er mosque where the people there imagine to face Mecca or anything in it whether it is a building or two small hills.
- Get to know the people there and for a few days pray with them in the same direction they are praying.
- Suddenly, one day pray in any random direction different from where the others are facing.
- You will certainly be asked " " (What has turned you away from the focal point that you were on?)
In fact, you can do the same experiment in any Mosque or religious congregation where a physical direction is important no matter if it is Mecca, Jerusalem, the winter sunrise, etc. and you will certainly be asked the same question. So you can always anytime and anywhere empirically verify who the foolish people are
The fools are those who think that a physical direction is important or that you need to face a particular physical direction to pray to the omnipresent god.
So the first focal point was a PHYSICAL FOCAL POINT.
Of course this physical focal point is completely unimportant and this is why the god doesn't care to tell us anything about it apart from letting us know that it was a physical one since the same principle would apply regardless of what the particular physical focal point was.
Thank you for sharing your understanding...The fools are everywhere, however, they never think they are the fools...everyone thinks he is the right one and the other is the Fool.
Peace
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Question Where is the Bayt Alharam and the Masjed Alharam in our recent days?
Salam belH,
this question would be relevent only if "bayt" means "house" and therefore a location to look for.
BUT, if ''bayt" means some "system" or some "moral rules" as i'm thinking, then they're not on any map .
Salam
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I'm going to link to my own topic because when it comes to focal point I'm skeptical about the meaning of 'focal point'. Qiblah as 'focal point' doesn't make sense in 1087. In short, I think it means tradition or reception.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598257.0
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Question Where is the Bayt Alharam and the Masjed Alharam in our recent days?
"Safa and Marwah are signs of Allah; so whoever makes a pilgrimage to the House or pays a visit, there is no blame on him if he goes round them." Surah 2158
Safa and Marwah are two small mountains that are partially enclosed now by Masjid Al-Haram.
http//tinyurl.com/ycohqnu
Was it?
Peace.
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"Safa and Marwah are signs of Allah; so whoever makes a pilgrimage to the House or pays a visit, there is no blame on him if he goes round them." Surah 2158
Safa and Marwah are two small mountains that are partially enclosed now by Masjid Al-Haram.
http//tinyurl.com/ycohqnu
Was it?
Peace.
Peace,
Do you mean that the Masjed Elharm is in Macca (Sudi Arabia)?
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Salam,
Yes, i used to pray in a morrocan mosque, and you know what ? All moroccan mosques are like that.
Moreover, i prayed with some egyptians, they told me the same thing too , if you don't stick your feet with others' feet, Ibliss would find a way to pass across the line !! I said why the hell would Ibliss pass through the line ???
they all answerd The GOD's prophet mohammed "salla allaho Alayhi wa sallama" has told you so, then you don't have to argue !!!!
That was the last time i prayed with anyone.So you now pray at home!
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Peace,
Do you mean that the Masjed Elharm is in Macca (Sudi Arabia)?
Is this a joke?
Do you want to be told "This iz teh qiblah" or are you interested in asking Allah for guidance?
Spoon feeding is over. I am not responsible for you, nor am I your guardian. You are given all the proofs and all the resources are available to you.
Peace.
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Salam,
For me my Qiblah, is actually abstract in nature.
My qiblah, is my "direction" towards AlMighty God in my daily lives. "Ih dinassiratolmustaqim" in Al-Fatihah surah. Right path. Right direction. That is our Focal point. Very precision in our target.
Right direction in our daily job. Right direction in leading my family. Right direction in my economic activities. So all these right direction is what we call Solat or contact with God. All we do is under supervision of God.
So, Salat avoid us from doing bad things. That's what God said in Quran. Meaning that solat is right direction in life and contact by heart to God. Not solat as what sunni muslims do 5 times a day. That's why, many people even pray 5 times a day, but still doing bad things. So, what's the meaning of their type of solat thta cannot even avoid doing bad things.
God is the King of Heavens and the Planets, in the East and West. So qibla or direction is not only on planet Earth, but also if we land on Planet Mars, qibla or right direction still applies. Nothing to do with the kaabah in Mecca.
Peace.
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Peace ayman,
The fools are those who think that a physical direction is important or that you need to face a particular physical direction to pray to the omnipresent god.
So the first focal point was a PHYSICAL FOCAL POINT
.The foolish from among the people will say ?What has turned them away from the focal point that they were on?? Say ?To God are the east and the west, He guides whomsoever He wishes to a straight path.?
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.If you agree that the first focal point was a physical point from which they turned. The question is this, they turned to where? To no direction or a different direction?
THINK ABOUT IT.ZUBAIRUS
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I only posed it that some one may not take impression from your earlier post that because of Ahle Hadith you have also abandoned As Salat. Good.
You are not completly wrong i gave up doing "their" salat and but i am now doing my "own" salat ( at least i try my best to).
I join brother MESSAGE114 in all that he said in his previous post.Salam
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Indeed the Muna'fi'qeen think they deceive Allah and He lets them engulfed in their deceptive perception ;
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And when they get up/stand to join the Ass-sa'laat they stand reluctantly/irritant/with heavy heart just for the sake of showing/demonstrating to people
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and they do not remember Allah except occasionally.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/004.%20An%20Nisa%2002.htm
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Salam,
We must remember Allah every seconds in life till our last breath, from waking up in the morning till we go to sleep.
Indeed the Muna'fi'qeen think they deceive Allah and He lets them engulfed in their deceptive perception ;
And when they get up/stand to join the Ass-sa'laat they stand reluctantly/irritant/with heavy heart just for the sake of showing/demonstrating to people
and they do not remember Allah except occasionally.
The verse above cleary shows what is happening in our daily lives.
Exmaple
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When the boss is around they work hard, but with no interest in mind. When the boss is not around they are lazy, so that is munafiq.
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When we are alone, a woman try to seduce us. At that time, what should should we do? We should do solat. Solat means, at that time we contact God, and we avoid and run away from the woman. The is real solat. Are we expect to perofrm "solat-sunni style" in front of the woman?
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If we do business, for example selling apples. Do we put the bad apples under the good apples? Solat is we put all good apples and no bad apples. God sees everything.
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We work for the company. Then, we leak information. That is real munafiq. We receive bribery.
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We also solat even in the early hours of the morning. Let's say people who work in shift. At that time we remember God, by working in right direction. That is solat.
So, meaning that we must always maintain solat that is Tawhid to Almighty God.
It's normal thing for some of those who perform "solat-sunni style", but after their solat, they still receive bribery, still drinking, still commit adultery, still shouting at their parents. I'm not saying about that particular sunni-style solat, but that solat is just in few minutes time that you think you really remember God, but then you cannot focus well. When we lost our key, we remember in sunni-style solat, when we forget something, we suddenly remember it in sunni style solat. So what's the point of sunni-style solat that we remember other things besides God? If sunni style solat is really wonderful in contact to God, then why we see most people perform solat too fast, as if they are afraid to left by a train, or flight.
As other laws, rules and regulation is inform straight by God in Quran, why then, the so called sunni-style solat that sunnis say top priority in life, is not inform by God in very exact structure, number of rakaat in Quran?
That's my opinion.
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Is this a joke?
Do you want to be told "This iz teh qiblah" or are you interested in asking Allah for guidance?
Spoon feeding is over. I am not responsible for you, nor am I your guardian. You are given all the proofs and all the resources are available to you.
Peace.
Peace all,
Your answers indicate that the Masjed Elharam is in Mecca. If this is true, then you need to show us the signs so I can agree with you; otherwise, your claim would be distortion of the truth that is the Masjed Elharam is in Jeruslem. And this is supported by the Quran, Torah and Injeel. -
Peace all,
Your answers indicate that the Masjed Elharam is in Mecca. If this is true, then you need to show us the signs so I can agree with you; otherwise, your claim would be distortion of the truth that is the Masjed Elharam is in Jeruslem. And this is supported by the Quran, Torah and Injeel.Where is your proof of this claim?
Proof Masjid Al-Haram is in Mecca
"Safa and Marwah are signs of Allah; so whoever makes a pilgrimage to the House or pays a visit, there is no blame on him if he goes round them." Surah 2158
Safa and Marwah are two small mountains that are partially enclosed now by Masjid Al-Haramhttp//lmgtfy.com/?q=Safa+Marwa
Where are sacrifices sent to? Surah 595. 597
What House is visited? 524We know the Sacred Mosque was around during Muhammad's time because it is written in the Quran "O you who believe, the idolators are surely unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque (Masjid Al-Haram) after this year of theirs." Surah 928
"Those to whom We have given the Book study it as it should be studied they are the ones that believe therein those who reject faith therein, the loss is their own." Surah 2121
Masjid Al-Haram surrounds the Kaaba.
http//www.arabeastern.com/userfiles/masjid-al-haram.jpg
For those who say we are to face Jerusalem, I give these proofs on the contrary
The Farthest Mosque in Surah 171 is Masjid Al-Aqsa. Read the original Arabic Quran. "mina almasjidi alharami ila almasjidi al-aqsa"
The Al-Aqsa Mosque is located in Jerusalemhttp//tinyurl.com/ya8c4ms
This small building now called 'Al-Aqsa Mosque' was called the Temple of Solomon by the Knights Templar during the Crusade, for the Temple perimeter still stands today. This small building was part of the entire structure.
Temple/Masjid Al-Aqsa Surah 171,175-7,1760http//www.foraqsa.com/content/images/aqsa1_eng.jpg
Did Isa (pbuh) say he came to abolish the law?
No, he came to fulfill it. So the teachings of the Old Testament/Tanakh are still part of their Covenant. The Jews and Christians have Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Temple of Solomon, as their qiblah.We know this city is Mecca, and not Jerusalem, because Allah spoke of Mecca many times in the Quran. Surah 427, 2791, 3360, 901-2, 953
According to the Bible, the first altar to God created by Abraham was in the land of Canaan.
"And the Lord appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land and there builded he an altar unto the Lord, who appeared unto him. And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west and Hai on the east and there he builded an altar unto the Lord, and called upon the name of the Lord." Gen. 127-8It was a tent in the land of Canaan. The Canaanites, descendants of Ham, were declared forbidden to Isaac (pbuh), so he was given Rebekah through God's guidance. Even Isa (pbuh) called the Canaanites dogs in the New Testament. The name YHWH stems from the Canaanite deity, whose consort is Asherah/Ashteroth.
YHWH
JewWhich City was Muhammad's? Surah 4713, 2791
Which City did the Quraish travel to in the summer and winter? Surah 1061-4
Who is Lord of this House? Surah 1064
Which Mother City spoke Arabic and had neighbors around it? Surah 427
Which City wasn't as powerful as those around her, but still prevailed due to Allah? Surah 4713
Which City had safety due to Allah while the neighbors were attacked? Surah 953
Which City is made free from obligation? Surah 902Do you disbelieve in the communications of Allah? Surah 9020
Believe or believe not. I am not a guardian.
Peace.
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Peace raginggaijin, all
can you once in your life provide a REAL proof for your claims ??
For example,
1 - Although the two small mountains near the "Kaaba" are nowadays called by sectarians "safa and marwa " , it is not a PROOF that they refer to "safa and marwa" in 2158.
2- the sectarians calling the mosque in jerusalem " al masjid al-aqsa" does not PROVE that is it the "al masjid al-aqsa" in 171Sorry if i am a bit rude, but i can call this "intellectual masturbation".
if you want to recieve credit for bringing us PROOFS, then try these
1 - Proove that "safa and marwa" (as meaning 2 mountains) were known before islamic era. They should , because the prophet didn't built any mountain )
2 - Proove that the temple in jerusalem was called "al masjid al Aqsa " by any of the previous scriptures/cultures/histories etc...
If you do that, i will humbly admit that "you-know-it-all" and i will stand up and bravo
Salam