What's the problem with the 'illusion of free will'
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaplqur_ac&NR=1
from the beginning to 040
The God is flawed argument.
Discuss.
Sarah
peace,
Having seen the video, my view is God is the Initiator, the Designer and the Creator. He knows the future, because He controls everything, and we are told of events in the future, like the witness from among the Children of Isreal who bears witness to this phenemena and then 1400 years after it was written it is proven by the words of Rabbi Judah the pious who talked in the 12th century about the mystical harmony and codified liturgy which connects the worshipper with their creator, based on the number 19.
(See end of appendix 1 of the Final Testament)
The point which this person 'the reason why guy' concerns wisdom, He asks questions about God being All-Powerful or whether He created time or is bound by time. When you set something in motion it will reach a definite end, the process by which it reaches it definite end is known as history, we learn the truth of the past and find something to devote to either the temporal or the eternal. God can be personal, can be external or be beyond perception, as we learn from the three Semitic religions.
The first group did not have faith, but yet God was very personal with them, so many times they show they think they will perish because of God and not showing any faith in God, who is the Omniscient. The knower of the future
The second group did not believe, that God is Omnipotent and has power over the now, the present moment miracles that just happened were all in the now, if they were not pre determined or synchronised or questioning what we see, then how do you describe out of nothing type miracles performed by Jesus. There is power in sight. there is power in belief, God has power over the present.
The third group did not devote, not understanding that God is Omnipresent, and there is wisdom in learning, rather than ignorance in being stiff necked ands stubborn like Ayman. They did not devote to the truth, they believed in the lies of the ashabs and made other sources of religious authority alongside God's word.Sometimes it is good to listen to people and understand what they say, sometimes the argument against them, comes from them, just be weary of it. Because they say the Quran says 'zalikal kitaabu la rayba fihi', they do not see that this could work against them, just as much as they think it works for them. Maybe they understood this verse, and thought well let us challenge it by adding two verses something which adds a secondary source from God and His messenger, and includes the ashabs.
You can say that but we know the truth of what you are plotting and what you've schemed.
I'm breathing, honestly,these are not the words of a dead man. We can either remain ignorantly imposed or we can learn wisdom. We can either choose the hard road, or the path of ease. It is either hard as rock or as easy as 123.
Allahu 'l Alim
Allahu 'l Qadir
Allahu 'l WasiThere is one question of existence of things, but there is the knowledge of the future, which will see it develop, like a egg in an embryo becoming a living being, everything shows the Omniscience of God, because otherwise you could ask where does knowledge come from?
From nothing something to behold shows the power of God.
And the eternal word shows the Omnipresence of God
peace
Goid is not timeless, He is free of time, Eternal, God is not the questioned but the questioning, God is not on trial but mankind is on trail, God is not competing mankind is competing to be righteous.
If you know everything then it is a test of faith,
If you observe nothing then it is a question of belief
If you learn the eternal it is a competition on devotionIt goes back to the question before time, whether God could create a rock He could not carry.
Everything in the heavens and the earth glorify God.
Science means knowledge
Art shows power
Classics teach wisdom -
There isn't only a question of good and evil, there is a test between light and darkness and also a competition between right and wrong.
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what is your concept of 'evil' - to know the future and not doing nothing about it. But among humans who knows the future, none of them. So are we going to cling to God is all responsible, or that we have all being given ears, eyes and brains and will be held accountable for them. It is spiders web you've woven, but it doesn't trap me.
la quwata illa billah
No one possesses power except God
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaplqur_ac&NR=1
from the beginning to 040
The God is flawed argument.
Discuss.
Sarah
The problem is that the illusion of free will is stated in the quran, if atheists use it, then they've plagerized the books of the god. (1) (2)
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Verily, all things have We created in proportion and measure.I don't think there is an "illusion of free will". If "free will" was an illusion then there would essentially be no point whatsoever to the test of life, unless we are literally insignificant droids sent into battle against nature and we are tested on our ability to adapt without regards to what each of us thinks, feels, etc. When making a judgement on a being you clearly must know everything about that being. Irrespective of whether that being had free will or not, if it is fundamentally fair from a utilitarian perspective that this being deserves heaven or hell then this is the rule.
Regardless, room for free will is left in the universe. We cannot know anything for definite below the Heisenberg scale and in that is room for free will despite a seemingly deterministic universe. It is now known that plants use some interesting quantum mechanical doo-dads when they photosynthesise. Surely we as far more evolved creatures must make use of such phenomena if such a basic process already does.
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054.049
Verily, all things have We created in proportion and measure.I don't think there is an "illusion of free will". If "free will" was an illusion then there would essentially be no point whatsoever to the test of life, unless we are literally insignificant droids sent into battle against nature and we are tested on our ability to adapt without regards to what each of us thinks, feels, etc. When making a judgement on a being you clearly must know everything about that being. Irrespective of whether that being had free will or not, if it is fundamentally fair from a utilitarian perspective that this being deserves heaven or hell then this is the rule.
Regardless, room for free will is left in the universe. We cannot know anything for definite below the Heisenberg scale and in that is room for free will despite a seemingly deterministic universe. It is now known that plants use some interesting quantum mechanical doo-dads when they photosynthesise. Surely we as far more evolved creatures must make use of such phenomena if such a basic process already does.
If that is how you see life, then that's how you see life. Your belief in regards to free will isn't found in science. As for the link... it refers to mathematical models in regards to describing behavior.
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Salam,
Every talk about "illusion of free will" takes me back to the time where I failed the school examinations in 9th grade. Till this day I remember how my math teacher always told me how badly I will fail in my exams. And I did fail the exams. Instead of blaming him for my failure, I should blame myself for not listening to the advance warning that he gave me over and over again. His knowledge makes it possible for him to predict a student's success rate based on his attitude towards his studies. Not that he destined me towards failure himself.
Unless you picture God as someone with less knowledge than my math teacher, I dont see how can someone blame Allah for his servant's failure.
PEACE
------------- Student of Allah
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Free will is not an illusion. There is only one will. That is the will of God. That makes our will God.
Infact to believe otherwise, is to assign qualities of God, to something separate from, and idolatry.
God is the arranger of all affairs. - Quran.
And God is selfsufficient.
When you will something, it is transcendent. It has no cause. Therefore you have free will.
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My view on this is that God knows what will happen/has happened/etc.
We do not.It is on us to make our own decisions and follow our own paths which we choose. However, God already knows that, and whether we like it or not, we are following His absolute will.