Origin of rakat (units) in daily prayers ?
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Selam
Sorry I de-railed the conversation a little... Comming back to the question as far as I know there is no units and there is no daily prayer but word used is salaat. Some say here that salaat is the reading of the Quran and many other things. I have not yet made up my mind as yet, may Allah help us in finding the truth.
Peace
1)Well, the units are same both in Shiism and Sunnism, for the first, the teachings came from the family of the Prophet and for the second through the Companions. Now, how is it possible that they all may be wrong ?
2)Same
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1)Well, the units are same both in Shiism and Sunnism, for the first, the teachings came from the family of the Prophet and for the second through the Companions. Now, how is it possible that they all may be wrong ?
2)Same
No quranic reference to this claim.
PEACE
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No quranic reference to this claim.
PEACE
Not so simple than what you say.
We already know through ahadith and history that for example 'adhan' is something that have been developed and improved. The 'adhan' is not the same as in 7th AC (See. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADHAN AND IQAMA OF THE SALAT IN EARLY ISLAM from IKA Howard)
But, for the units of prayers there is no such evidences, and the numbering is stable from 7th AC, first because no history testimonies claiming a change in it, and second it comes from 2 differents and basically opposite sources one is the family of the Prophet and the second is the Companions of the Prophet.
Even if this numbering is not in the Quran, you can't disqualified it so easily because its constancy through centuries is a proof of its validity and authenticity.
I am not somebody who relies on ahadith but in this case I am speechless ! hmm
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Sorry not 7 AC but 700 AC.
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i learned that in the quran it mentions everything is created in pairs
Then if everything is created in pairs, where is the second Muhammad ? the second sky ? the second moon ? ............................ brickwall
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Selam
First of all you are taking hadith as your source of evidence. If this is the case then you really need to look at all the hadith and start sorting out what is accepted and what is rejected. If you do this then you would have ignored the following
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I believe we will have too look deeper into the word salaat to get its true meaning. I believe some on this sight to be very close to concluding that and may Allah help them in their studies of the Quran to enlighten us with the truth.
Peace
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Not so simple than what you say.
We already know through ahadith and history that for example 'adhan' is something that have been developed and improved. The 'adhan' is not the same as in 7th AC (See. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADHAN AND IQAMA OF THE SALAT IN EARLY ISLAM from IKA Howard)
But, for the units of prayers there is no such evidences, and the numbering is stable from 7th AC, first because no history testimonies claiming a change in it, and second it comes from 2 differents and basically opposite sources one is the family of the Prophet and the second is the Companions of the Prophet.
Even if this numbering is not in the Quran, you can't disqualified it so easily because its constancy through centuries is a proof of its validity and authenticity.
I am not somebody who relies on ahadith but in this case I am speechless ! hmm
Are you sure 100% to say that the numbering is stable? Yeh, supposed sources of the prophet?s family and companions of the prophet. Can you at least find the ?hadith/s? that indicates the number of ruku, because I didn?t find it, I didn?t look in shia traditions but I did try searching sunni ones.
Considering you seem to know, do share.
If adhan morphed why not ?salat??
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If adhan morphed why not ?salat??
Agree to that Sis. I was thinking the other day about salat and adhan, if all messengers and prophets before Muhammad established salat and were Muslims, then did they do the adhan, bearing witness that Muhammad was the messenger of Allah, when he wasn't even born?
We just can't assume that because most Sunnis and Shias do it the same way, then it will be correct. All traditional Muslims, that I know of, claim that using hadiths will explain how to salaat as performed by Muhammad... but I just can't imagine that Muhammad would read 'Shalawat Nabi' or salute himself in the end of his salaat/prayer.
Just feel like venting...
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Agree to that Sis. I was thinking the other day about salat and adhan, if all messengers and prophets before Muhammad established salat and were Muslims, then did they do the adhan, bearing witness that Muhammad was the messenger of Allah, when he wasn't even born?
We just can't assume that because most Sunnis and Shias do it the same way, then it will be correct. All traditional Muslims, that I know of, claim that using hadiths will explain how to salaat as performed by Muhammad... but I just can't imagine that Muhammad would read 'Shalawat Nabi' or salute himself in the end of his salaat/prayer.
Just feel like venting...
NP vent as you like,
Well you don't find "adhan" in the Quran..
true we could assume if people do it the same way it's correct but that would be unwise. in actual fact shias do it differently. yeh the salawat of the nabi makes you think hmm did he speak in prayer in 3rd person about himself? besides we know salat is for God only and a dhikr (2014, 2945)
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Agree to that Sis. I was thinking the other day about salat and adhan, if all messengers and prophets before Muhammad established salat and were Muslims, then did they do the adhan, bearing witness that Muhammad was the messenger of Allah, when he wasn't even born?
We just can't assume that because most Sunnis and Shias do it the same way, then it will be correct. All traditional Muslims, that I know of, claim that using hadiths will explain how to salaat as performed by Muhammad... but I just can't imagine that Muhammad would read 'Shalawat Nabi' or salute himself in the end of his salaat/prayer.
Just feel like venting...
('If not for you (O Muhammad!) I would not have created creation'
http//www.sunnah.org/msaec/articles/hadith_of_lawlaak.htm -
Well you don't find "adhan" in the Quran..
I take that back!
Was showing a sister a Quran concordance and explaining how useful it is when looking up particular topics and happened to cross "adhan" (waathanun, 93). however we will not find the commonly attribute "adhan" the sunni and shia's use in relation to prayer.
peace
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I take that back!
Was showing a sister a Quran concordance and explaining how useful it is when looking up particular topics and happened to cross "adhan" (waathanun, 93). however we will not find the commonly attribute "adhan" the sunni and shia's use in relation to prayer.
peace
Yeah, just like salaat and many other things in the Qur'an, the meaning of the word adhan has been changed to something that is no more than lip-service.
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('If not for you (O Muhammad!) I would not have created creation'
http//www.sunnah.org/msaec/articles/hadith_of_lawlaak.htmOMG, that article made me speechless. If not because of Muhammad, we wouldn't be created? Wow, just wow... I don't know what to say... they have turned Muhammad to an object of worship, just like the Christians have done .
?If it were not for the blessing and the generosity of the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam), then the whole world would not have existed and apart from Allah, nothing would exist.
I guess I can say it's the Sunni way of saying that Muhammad is the Son of God s
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OMG, that article made me speechless. If not because of Muhammad, we wouldn't be created? Wow, just wow... I don't know what to say... they have turned Muhammad to an object of worship, just like the Christians have done .
I guess I can say it's the Sunni way of saying that Muhammad is the Son of God s
Mohammad is greater than God if you dpnt believe me just ask them.
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OMG, that article made me speechless. If not because of Muhammad, we wouldn't be created? Wow, just wow... I don't know what to say... they have turned Muhammad to an object of worship, just like the Christians have done .
I guess I can say it's the Sunni way of saying that Muhammad is the Son of God s
Selam
Shocking. I am speechless!
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