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Origin of rakat (units) in daily prayers ?

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    SarahY
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    I keep finding stuff like that. I found this song on You Tube and thought it was all to God but am not so sure that it might not be to Muhammed. I would love for any interpretations of the Arabic.
    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_2cFityc4

    Jay

    Seems to be about the prophet, the arabic writing is just calligraphy of words relating to what he is saying. then he just sends praises to the prophet but refers to him as mustapha not mohammed..

    i like the arabic calligraphy effect, looks funky.

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      szuberi
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      Since rakats or units of salah are not mentioned in the Quran, then it is simply not necessary to follow them as a law. Having said that, if someone still wants to follow the rakats, there is no harm or problem in it per se. The Quran tells us that the mandatory part of salah is qayam, rukooh and sujood and that the sole purpose of salah is the rememberance (dhikr) of Allah.

      The more i read and research on salah in the Quran, the more it appears that it is a very simple and straightfoward process. All Allah wants us to do is to take time out at specified intervals during a given 24/7 period so that while are busy in our worldly life, we give ourselves a moment of pause to remember, think and reflect upon our creator that to him we belong, we worship and to him we return.

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        Since rakats or units of salah are not mentioned in the Quran, then it is simply not necessary to follow them as a law. Having said that, if someone still wants to follow the rakats, there is no harm or problem in it per se. The Quran tells us that the mandatory part of salah is qayam, rukooh and sujood and that the sole purpose of salah is the rememberance (dhikr) of Allah.

        The more i read and research on salah in the Quran, the more it appears that it is a very simple and straightfoward process. All Allah wants us to do is to take time out at specified intervals during a given 24/7 period so that while are busy in our worldly life, we give ourselves a moment of pause to remember, think and reflect upon our creator that to him we belong, we worship and to him we return.

        Salaam Dear szuberi,

        I do second your approach and reasoning. We also should follow a specific pattern to maintain the organization and the unity within the community / ?UMMAH. I, as a Muslim, follow the pattern of 2-4-4-3-4. It complies with the Qur?aanic directives and also, 24434=19x1286.

        Peace,
        Khalil

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          progod
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          For the Arabic speakers. Here's Ahmad Subhy's opinion on the matter. I was very UNimpressed.

          http//www.ahl-alquran.com/arabic/chapter.php?page_id=37

          Godbless,
          Anwar

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            FORTHISDIN
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            No quranic reference to this claim.

            PEACE

            WELL IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE QURAN(THE TRUTH), ALLAH HAS STATED THAT IT IS PERFECT AND COMPLETE, HE IS NOT A FORGETFUL LORD, AND THAT HE HAS DETAILED THE DETAILS IN THE QURAN SO THAT U MAY UNDERSTAND AND HAS LEFT NOTHING OUT, THEREFORE EVERYTHING INCLUDING SALAT IS THERE IF U BELIEVE THE AYATS OF ALLAH MAYBE U ARE LOOKING AT THE ASPECT OF SALAH FROM A RELIGIOUS ASPECT, RELIGION IS MAN MADE IN AN EFFORT TO SECURE FOLLOWERES,CONTROL, AND FOR ECONOMICS. IN THE WAY OF ALLAH ITS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THINGS INCLUDING MAN'S NATURE SALAH IS THE COMMITTMENT TO ALLAH AND ZAKAT ITS PURIFICATION

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              progod
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              Peace,

              The grammatical meaning of rak'ah and it's difference from ruku' is simple, and how Muslims defined rak'ah as one unit of their traditional prayer is beyond me. Rak'ah is what would be refferred to as the noun of instance. IT is the difference between fa'l (doing) and fa'lah (an action), sujood(worshipping/bowing) and sajdah(a instance of worship/a bow), qafz(jumping/hopping) and qafzah (a jump/hop). So rak'ah would be one particular instance of rukoo', which is just bowing. Only in the hadeeth do we find this bowing specified to where one has to put one's hands on one's knees. I have not found linguist evidence in the Quran or otherwise that would point to rak'ah being more specific than one bending down, or bending over. The same goes for sujood. Only in connection to the traditional islamic prayer is this actions specified to mean a position of prostration where one's head and palms touch the ground. Otherwise it means either just worship or bending down or bending over. So how exactly a word that means an instance of bowing comes to mean a formula of bowing that actually involves 3 rak'aat, I am not exactly sure. I still am of the suspicion that the way the Jews prayed in the Hidjaz was borrowed by early Muslims and then calls to uniformity in that method of worship were also made by the leaders of early Muslims. It wouldn't suprise me even if the prophet Muhammad (God bless him) himself adopted the Hidjazi Jewish prayer as a personal choice. However I have not yet seen in the Quran any encouragement for him to do this. I think the command to 'bow with those who bow' may have been taken to an extreme.

              As for why Jews don't continue to pray like this, there is a youtube video which shows a prayer very similar to the Muslim one still practice by a few Jews today. But Jews commonly abandon those things that other groups pick up from them. They abandoned Greek and Aramaic when they became Christian languages and I'm sure the list is very long of the things they have abandoned when other people incorporated them into their own religious practices. It is till amazing to me how they changed their own books after the advent of Islam. What I am referring to is how they specifically changed the wording of the Septuagint Bible that reads that Abraham (God bless him and keep him) married Hagar. In their Massoretic newer text which they retranslated back into (Arameo-)Hebrew using older Aramaic and Greek Bibles they changed what the Septuagint said and state that Abraham just had sex with his concubine, without marrying her. In which case, as is often they slandered the prophet Abraham, as I'm sure they slandered Solomon (God bless him) by claiming he had all those concubines. I wouldn't be suprised if the truth were that they were just servants of his, as he was a king. Maybe he was a great employer of women. D . . . Seriously. It is better to take the positive and good interpretations about our beloved prophets of God than to take the slanderous ones, cursing them and killing their honor.

              Godbless,
              Anwar

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                kenybanez
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                Peace be upon you, hey I know it is been 5 years since this post was posted but I think i have an article that might explain hpw to do salat according to the quran alone. It said in this website that there are only two rakats in salat and it explains why it came to thay conclusion please click http//www.quranaloneislam.net/salat.

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                  Timotheus
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                  the articles by submission.org on the prayers and units is quite interesting and seemingly supports the oft-accepted rakaA formula, as supported by 19-based evidence, which personally i believe the 'code 19' is evidently a true phenomena of the quran. its interesting and i would recommend reading it.

                  https//www.google.co.nz/search?q=units+of+prayer+submission.org

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                    mmmm
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                    Mohammad is greater than God if you dpnt believe me just ask them.

                    rotfl brickwall

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                      Timotheus
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                      The numbers have nothing to do with dates, they are based on the 19 divisibility theory. You can read more about the view and evidence of how the number of raka etc are mathematically encoded and preserved here http//submission.org/Divinely_Preserved.html

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