Ghusl?
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Assalamu alaykum everyone i just wanted to know if the bath we should take while in a state of impurity is a special one or is just bathing the body sufficient?
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Salam Wakas
I am aware of those verses but I am not vesed in arabic. Is there anything in arabic to suggest its more than a normal bath?
Salam
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Salam
Thanks Wakas, the thing I like about your posts is you make the person find out for himself. Excuse me for being lazy
Salam
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peace,
For this kind of question, you do not really need to be knowledgeable of Arabic with the study tools/resources available online, e.g. http//corpus.quran.com
I searched "Bath" in the search function of that website but I didn't get any results.
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Peace,
Bro Wakas,
How to perform ritual bath according to Quran ?
56 it's only Wudhu
but as for Ghusl or ritual bath there is no evidence !
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Ghusl or ightisaal is to wash or wash oneself with water. You use ghusl when washing clothes or anything else with water. that can include just washing parts or washing your whole body. Depends on both the context and what you want to do. You have a choice. Wash just the revelant parts or wash your whole body. That's up to you.
Godbless,
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"And if you people are in the state, resulting from intercourse with your wives , for that reason you purify yourselves".
For being in the state of , once it is said and second time . They are derived, respectively, from the Root " " and " ". The basic perception infolded in Root " " is to wash with water signifying the removing of dirt, or filth or the like thereof by making water to run over it resulting in cleansing/free from unpleasantness-impurity. And the basic perception infolded in the Root " " is also to make something clean or pure from dirt or filth. In both, the basic job done is to segregate oneself, one thing from the impurities clung to it/around it.
The distinction and peculiarity, however, of the two is that " " is restrictively used for corporeal cleaning/purification with water while Root " " has connotation both corporeal and ideological and can be attained both with the help of water and otherwise.
It thus makes abundantly clear that full bath is prescribed, only full bath removes impurities clung to human body which are the hundreds of thousands of dead cells on the skin.
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peace Mazhar,
It thus makes abundantly clear that full bath is prescribed, only full bath removes impurities clung to human body which are the hundreds of thousands of dead cells on the skin.
If it is "abundantly clear" as you claim, then why the need for you to mention it? Also please provide the evidence for your claim of impurity = dead skin cells, which are present regardless of whether one falls under those conditions of 443 / 56.
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peace Mazhar,
If it is "abundantly clear" as you claim, then why the need for you to mention it? Also please provide the evidence for your claim of impurity = dead skin cells, which are present regardless of whether one falls under those conditions of 443 / 56.
The first part was from above, the definition of two words used; and the later part was a comment based on present day scientific knowledge about the behaviour of our skin to emphasise that bath is an excellent thing prescribed.
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My two cents...
Seeking good terrain and wiping our hands and faces is not really an issue of hygiene; it does indeed seem to be symbolic. Furthermore, the washing with water is of our hands up to the elbows (ila al-marafiq), but the wiping with good terrain is only of the hands, not the forearms and the elbows. I think this is another sign that the act is symbolic. Furthermore, at the end of 56 we see the statement, "He wants to clean you (yutahhirakum) and complete His blessing on you." We know from studying the whole Quran that cleanliness (tahar) is often a measure of the purity of our minds (anfusina), not the bodies they inhabit.
In fact, one may continue this line of thinking much further. If I urinate (go to the ghait), what does this have to do with wiping my hair or my feet? Perhaps the entire cleansing process, with or without water, is simply a symbolic practice. Of course, it does make us aware of our personal hygiene, and it causes us to reflect on taking care of our God-given bodies. But the specific areas of the body to be washed or wiped seem to reflect an easy symbolic task, which can even be done without water.
However, the washing mentioned in relation to ejaculation does not seem symbolic to me, it seems to be a matter of hygiene.
If junub = remote (from ejaculation)... then...
(56) When you arise for the connection, wash you faces and your hands to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the two ankles. If you are remote, clean.
(443) Do not approach the connection while drunk, until you know what you utter. Nor while remote, unless on the road, until you wash.
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in kuntum junuba fa-tahharu
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junuba ... taghtasilu
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if you are remote, clean.
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remote ... wash.
Becoming remote involves the reproductive organs, so perhaps they are all that needs to be washed. It has been suggested that the command taghtasilu means take a bath or a shower, however I feel this is a forced meaning, not a natural meaning. If you come inside from playing and your mother says, "Wash up," you wash whatever is dirty, not your entire body.
I think it is unlikely that at the time of the Quran people had access to bathing as we do now in the developed world. In fact, most the world today is still underdeveloped, so access to bathing is limited.
In 3842 we see that Job was given a cold source of water for washing and for drinking
"Strike with your foot; this is a cold wash (mughtasil) and drink."
Striking the ground with your foot would cause a spring to shoot water, so it's not a bath (and he would not drink his bath water anyway) and it's not an overhead shower like we use today (from the Greeks and Romans). It seems to be water coming from the ground that can be used to wash with, and to drink. I suppose it was a miraculous spring to heal Job as well, though that is a different matter.
It seems unlikely to me that taghtasilu means bath/shower, rather than simply wash. So if you're remote (from ejaculation), then wash. Do you think we need to wash everywhere, or just the area that needs washing? Is it a symbolic thing in this case, or a hygenic thing? I think it's hygienic, so washing the one area is good enough, for men and women after relations.
But, overall, I believe that taking a shower accomplishes washing the face, the hands to the elbows, and if you wash you head and your feet then I don't think you need to wipe them. I think a shower takes care of it all, but I don't think it's obligatory, especially since a lot of people can't shower often.
Peace,
-David
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The command is quite vivid if we restrict ourselves to the words of the Book.
First command is thisThe red word prescribes the point in time upto which restriction is imposed when one is actually in that state.
Second restriction
When you are in such state you do not come nearby the said act till such time you make yourself take the bath .
And then are the conditions; if.................and subject to non availability of water-----substitute act is narrated. When these conditions are not there the "ablution" or bath with water in particular case shall remain binding. Thanks
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Peace to you Mazhar,
I still don't see where you've presented any evidence that taghtasilu means bathe, rather than simply wash. Is there not a fair chance that the basic meaning (wash) was expanded by the influence of the people of previous books (ahl al-kitab)?
Leviticus 1516
Leviticus 1516 When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening.When the people of previous books translate them into Arabic, they render the above passage as - "wash all his body with water." They also prescribe full body washing for women after menstruation and childbirth.
Ultimately, this discussion goes back to how we look at the reading and all its terms. Does the simple term connection (salah) mean put your hands beside your face, say allah akbar, recite specific Arabic utterances, bow by rehearsal, prostrate by rehearsal, and finish by wishing peace to multiple entities (al-salam alaykum x2)? Does the simple term betterment (zakah) mean give away no less than 1/40th of your cash? Does the simple term wash actually mean bathe?
I think not.
Peace,
-David
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peace Mazhar, all,
As above, I do not see how you proved anything.
peace David,
I suppose it was a miraculous spring to heal Job as well, though that is a different matter.
You may be interested in the following analysis of that event, numbered 14
http//www.quran434.com/test.htmIt was initially discussed here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598953.0 -
