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    Abdun_Nur
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    Salaam jonny,

    OK, you believe what you wish, as I said the application of reason is beyond you, you want the Jewish vision of materialism, they wish to have a physical universe, they think of complete rubbish like big bangs, black-holes and stars that spin faster than the speed of light, when even matter itself is not physical in the sense they would wish, matter is just a pattern of energy, they even fail to understand light, I could explain this to you, but I doubt you really read what I write, I will leave you to your opinions.

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      Peace "Abdun Nur",

      Salaam jonny,

      OK, you believe what you wish, as I said the application of reason is beyond you, you want the Jewish vision of materialism, they wish to have a physical universe, they think of complete rubbish like big bangs, black-holes and stars that spin faster than the speed of light, when even matter itself is not physical in the sense they would wish, matter is just a pattern of energy, they even fail to understand light, I could explain this to you, but I doubt you really read what I write, I will leave you to your opinions.

      JK- Energy is mostly matter/particles in motion/vibration which is evident by it's units (mass X velocity^2). But yes there is duality down all the way since vibration is also what makes up particles on a greater scale and then those vibrations by smaller particles probably ad inifnitum. In case of photons and other massless particles we do talk about mass equivalent energy because we cannot localize them from any known reference point at rest. Doesnt however necessarily mean they can't behave as particles in certain areas. It is important to note that we don't have any model independent view of thw world and no model can describe absolutely everything. The model which makes the best predictions in a cretain field is the one most accepted and rightly so.
      I've never heard a black hole spinning faster than light BUT that it's ESCAPE VELOCITY is faster than light. The only thing which is faster than light according to physicists is the EXPANSION of SPACE itself but this does not allow information to pass from one pt to another in space > light where the focus is on "information". GOD Bless!

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        Salaam,

        matter is matter/particles you say, ok you have no idea about physics, matter is anything that has both volume and a mass, this means something that occupies space in the physical universe. The conventional physicists apply abstract concepts like atoms to the structure of mass, they further break down these into even small parts, but ultimately these are just constructs to allow description, mass is simply a pattern of energy in motion, the universe would be better understood as a holographic manifestation, anyway you do not absorb or consider anything I write so I'll leave it there.

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          Peace "Abdun Nur",

          Salaam,

          matter is matter/particles you say, ok you have no idea about physics, matter is anything that has both volume and a mass, this means something that occupies space in the physical universe. The conventional physicists apply abstract concepts like atoms to the structure of mass, they further break down these into even small parts, but ultimately these are just constructs to allow description, mass is simply a pattern of energy in motion, the universe would be better understood as a holographic manifestation, anyway you do not absorb or consider anything I write so I'll leave it there.

          JK- Yes and atoms as well as electrons, prtons and neutrons have a mass and occupy a certain volume in space. You cannot have two or more of these overlapping on top of each other in the same place. Now if you want to make a holographic model of the universe saing that it would explain it better go ehad and see if your model makes more PREDICTIONS cause thats whts important. The model itself doesnt matter much as long as it makes accurate predictions. 2ndly what has all this now got to do with the energy content of magnetism being unlimited? If you want to get energy from the magnetic field youd need to collapse the field which can only be done by magnetic fields which have been produced using electricity in an electromagnet. There the energy of the magnetic field is proportional to the electric current and voltage. If you now switch of the current and the field collapses you get back the same or less energy you put into it's construction, NEVER MORE. This should tell you that energy is well quanitied. One concept which makes some sense to me of how to obtain free energy is Vacuum energy, though no one to date has been able to demonsteate how to do so and it is unknown whether this will not destabilize spacetime either. GOD Bless!

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            Salaam jonny,

            I am not making anything, the universe demonstrates many characteristics of a hologram, it is a creation constantly being reinvented instant to instant, and for an absolute fact conventional physics makes very very few predictions that turn out to be correct, their model is built on a foundation of bull shit, installed by the Zionist Einstein, through the control of the university and media systems enjoyed by the bankers, the true genius of physics was Tesla, others greats were Faraday and Maxwell, as for energy from the vacuum every dynamo that has ever been used extracts energy from the vacuum, as I explained previously, the bankers reduced the equation of Maxwell down to just 10%, the scientists before Einstein had no problem making over unity systems, Tesla built an over unity generator in New York, J P Morgan closed it down, and prevented him from getting funding from other sources.

            The world is not what you think it is.

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              It's correct that "the conventional physicists apply abstract concepts like atoms to the structure of mass, they further break down these into even small parts, but ultimately these are just constructs to allow description". However that does not take away from their reality. The imaginary unit sqrt(-1) is a also a construct but even then it can be used to make constructions. While the universe is a perfectly seamless fluidic construction, this does not prevent us from mentally splitting it into lego blocks and finding out that shock horror, the imaginary lego blocks also fit together perfectly and fluidicly. When you talk to someone, you don't bark at them and they understand, you split your intonations into words and thus they are understood. Same thing, the fundamental particles are letters, the carriers/mediators are punctuation, molecules are words, but they all write the one book.

              If we are to delve into this, then EVERYTHING is a construct. The problem I see with your argument is that you are stating everything that is said yet disagreeing; indeed if we found a "theory of everything" then everything would be describable as an excitation of this one field permeating space time (consciousness itself perhaps?). Nowhere does conventional physics disagree with your viewpoint yet you still make it appear like it does.

              I'm guessing you have some kind of attachment to over-unity or other things that conventional physics if not nature itself does not permit, don't let those attachments cloud your judgement, reason and intellect. What's the point in escaping the dogma of "traditional Islam" if you are going to construct your own dogma to replace it?

              Remember that the universe just is, it doesn't care if you're right or wrong because it itself is always right. There is no need to cloud things up and argue over what even you said are merely descriptions/semantics.

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                Peace "Abdun Nur",

                Salaam jonny,

                I am not making anything, the universe demonstrates many characteristics of a hologram,

                JK- And within it there are also many demonstrations of particles. As I said it all depends where you're applying your model. An overall holographic model has not yet been shown to make the most satisfactory predictions in all cases.

                it is a creation constantly being reinvented instant to instant,

                JK- You can interpret certain particles going "in and out of existence" on the quantum level as portraying such. However just becuase they go out of OUR OBSERVATION does not mean that they go away in any absolute manner.

                and for an absolute fact conventional physics makes very very few predictions that turn out to be correct, their model is built on a foundation of bull shit,

                JK- As I said no one mdoel can make predictions for everything. This has shown to be impossible. Even M-theorie as suggested by Stephen Hawkins lately is a multidude of theories NO JUST ONE. Each model makes very good predictions on it's own level.

                installed by the Zionist Einstein, through the control of the university and media systems enjoyed by the bankers, the true genius of physics was Tesla, others greats were Faraday and Maxwell, as for energy from the vacuum every dynamo that has ever been used extracts energy from the vacuum, as I explained previously, the bankers reduced the equation of Maxwell down to just 10%, the scientists before Einstein had no problem making over unity systems, Tesla built an over unity generator in New York, J P Morgan closed it down, and prevented him from getting funding from other sources.

                JK- Tesla did some wonderful things and might have done somehting which either was misinterpreted or could be wrong too. I never heard Tesla stating anything in violation of conservation of energy. If anything he perhapsd tried to make a devicen EXTRACTING ENERGY FROM TEH VACUUM i.e. zero point energy. What i know he's famous for is devising a way to EFFICIENTLY transform or transfer electrical energy through the air. Thats where the name Tesla coils come from. Also even if Einstein were wrong on conservation of energy, which till date has not been shown, how does it make him wrong on relativity, both special and general which have shown to be accurate over and over?

                The world is not what you think it is.

                JK- As I said show me any overunity device that works and I'll reconsider. But before that actually try them out for yourself. GOD Bless!

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                  Salaam jonny,

                  the so called 'law' of thermodynamics are derived from the stream engine, rules that were created to make it easier to understand stream power, in reality if applied to the universe at large the direct reverse of these so called laws becomes apparent, but then the general population would begin to understand reality and that would remove the elite very quickly. I agree with Tesla, he was correct as has been proved experimentally, not abstractly as Einstein.

                  Tesla wrote in the New York Herald Tribune "Condensation of the primary substance is going on continuously, this being in a measure proved, for I have established by experiments which admit of no doubt that the sun and other celestial bodies steadily increase in mass and energy and ultimately must explode, reverting to the primary substance."

                  "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." (Radio Power Will Revolutionize the World- in Modern Mechanics and Inventions (July 1934))

                  "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view." (New York Herald Tribune (11 September 1932))

                  Einsteins relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists." (New York Times (11 July 1935), p. 23, c.

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                    1.) Any physical observation in the microcosm can be applied to the macrocosm after adjusting for all possible effects/events

                    2.) Regarding Tesla, there is ALWAYS doubt. We can never be certain we are correct except in fundamental cases. And even then, we can never be certain that what we are considering is even a fundamental case.

                    3.) Even now mathematics is prevalent. Why, because you need to analyse and grasp the results of previous experiments before you can even begin to plan the next one. Every experiement inevitably results in a shitstorm of mathematical analysis. That's the whole point of doing the experiment in the first place. If your analysis is incomplete, you can't go further.

                    4.) "Space can have no properties" is an assumption long disproven. See casimir effect. Again, scientific method prevails over intuitive dogma. "I can't see you therefore you don't exist", nope, sorry mate.

                    5.) Who wrote that and can they offer an alternative explanation that isn't fallacious and works to the same ridiculous measurement precision?

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                      Salaam OPF,

                      no need to apologise, abstract mathematics has very little value in truly understanding the physical reality we exist with, as it fails to account for the order, for example 2+3=5 is not the same as 3+2=5 as the order matters, this is what Maxwell discovered and is why he applied quaternion mathematics not abstract mathematics, and conventional physics takes little notice of the evidence of experimentation as they simple adjust the parameters of the theory with new fantasy, as they have with the big bang theory, with black-holes, dark matter, and placing the weakest force in existence, gravity, as the dominating force of creation. Again you have no need to apologise.

                      If you wish to prove the compression of space, please demonstrate the compression of water, even miles below the surface of the ocean, water is not compressed, the reason for this is its pushing against fluidic space, and one cubic centimeter hold more energy than all the visible universe combined, an almost impossible density to over come, so this immediately disproves black-holes and a gravity driven universe, the universe is energy driven, 99.9% of all mass is plasma, and its this that must be studied to understand reality, it being the dominant aspect.

                      The earth and the Sun as all planets and stars are growing as they exist within an open energy exchange, you should watch this video to understand this, it is proved the earth is expanding in circumference 19cm per year.

                      The Casimir effect does not prove empty space can be moved in the sense of Einsteins ideas, firstly you have to understand space, we spin around the earth at 1000 miles an hour, the earth spins around the sun, the sun spins around the galaxy the galaxy spins around the universe, empty space is not a constant to warp, so Tesla is correct, space is not empty at all is correct, so you can effect what is underlying empty space, fludic space. You have to be sure of what you are talking, space or what is within space, don't forget we do not perceive all the aspects of reality directly. Again no need to apologise.

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                        Peace "Abdun Nur",

                        Salaam jonny,

                        the so called 'law' of thermodynamics are derived from the stream engine, rules that were created to make it easier to understand stream power, in reality if applied to the universe at large the direct reverse of these so called laws becomes apparent, but then the general population would begin to understand reality and that would remove the elite very quickly. I agree with Tesla, he was correct as has been proved experimentally, not abstractly as Einstein.

                        JK- Einstein's theory of relativity has been proven via real experiments over and over too. So have the laws of conservation of energy. There's not a single system found by the scientists that violates this principle. If you say there is bring it out. Show us.

                        Tesla wrote in the New York Herald Tribune "Condensation of the primary substance is going on continuously, this being in a measure proved, for I have established by experiments which admit of no doubt that the sun and other celestial bodies steadily increase in mass and energy and ultimately must explode, reverting to the primary substance."

                        JK- Did he also mention where that increase in mass comes from? If he says from the vacuum then we need evidence that this is the case. In that case this very claim of Tesla has not been shown experimentally.

                        "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." (Radio Power Will Revolutionize the World- in Modern Mechanics and Inventions (July 1934))

                        JK- No mathematics is good in it's own right and experiments in their. Hence science never claims to prove anything, a claim which is reserved for mathematics based on results which must follow logically to be consistent with definition ofthe underlying axioms. In the real world mathetaical formulas ARE APPLIED onto reality but no one mathewtical function can describe any part of reality with 100% accuracy. Like in some cases we use exponential decay but that is the overall statistic. It could be slightly biased here or there since we never know which single atom at which point would decay first only the average and hence this exp function is a good enough to satisfy all our practical needs.

                        "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view." (New York Herald Tribune (11 September 1932))

                        Einsteins relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists." (New York Times (11 July 1935), p. 23, c.

                        JK- Can you tell me simply without quate mining, what exactly is wrong with relativity when experiments have demonstrated their accuracy for all practical purposes so far? As i said there is no ultimate mathematical model for anything in the universe, let alone the universe. GOD Bless!

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                          Salaam jonny,

                          almost nothing has been proved in conventional physics, it's at best a pseudo-science, but more accurately a directed and intentional fraud, I realise you will refuse to accept any evidence that rejects the conventional establishment views, just like some still think 911 was Muslim terrorist plane hijackers, a person that subjugated could never be expected to come to a rational conclusion based on evidence.

                          Here is a 2 minute video that breaks the law of conservation of energy, which is a ridiculous concept to begin with, but if you can explain this, I expect you'll say the tests were wrong, which is the standard answer of the indoctrinated, anyway enjoy.

                          http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzGJLKrnFM&feature=player_embedded

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                            Peace "Abdun Nur",

                            Salaam jonny,

                            almost nothing has been proved in conventional physics,

                            JK- I made it clear tnat NOTHING is ever PROVEN in science. All we have is evidence to back claims up and conventional physics has been verys good at that for all practical purposes.

                            it's at best a pseudo-science, but more accurately a directed and intentional fraud, I realise you will refuse to accept any evidence that rejects the conventional establishment views, just like some still think 911 was Muslim terrorist plane hijackers, a person that subjugated could never be expected to come to a rational conclusion based on evidence.

                            Here is a 2 minute video that breaks the law of conservation of energy, which is a ridiculous concept to begin with, but if you can explain this, I expect you'll say the tests were wrong, which is the standard answer of the indoctrinated, anyway enjoy.

                            http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzGJLKrnFM&feature=player_embedded

                            JK- Have you tested this device and made sure it works like it is being claimed? Nobody has yet been able to demonstrate that any of these oveunity devices actually work under controlled condition. They always turn out to be frauds and the fraudsters run away with peoples money. BUT IM willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. If you have enough money or know someone or have a group who can pay for it together, get such a device and actually test it out. See if the energy you get out is actually more than you put in without any part of the system collapsing over time. GOD Bless!

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                              Salaam jonny,

                              many things are proven in science, however not the things that stand against physical reality, the theories that are describing a process that does not act according to the description, the universe demonstrates an open energy exchange, it doesn't matter that conventional physics says that is impossible, it is still a reality.

                              As I said you would not believe the tests done on the device in the example, because the establishment you worship has refuted through its intentional perversion and corruption of truth it being possible, so you conclude it must be wrong, without investigation. Over unity systems have cropped up again and again over the past century, I just found a simple example to demonstrate you're deep indoctrination and subjugation to sovereign authority, it is not important if I have personally investigated this device, many devices have demonstrated the same over unity attribute, even universities have done so, in the 90's a university developed a water splitter that produced 8000% over unity, fully tested and established by many many others, even reproduced by other universities, why is this not transforming physics, because physics in its conventional and widely publicised understandings, is complete and utter bull shit. But of course these university professors, who are based in chemistry, one of the few areas that the bankers cannot corrupt, because its a physical science, are confused, is that right, yes, you would need to test there device yourself, have you found a physicist, they would not be so fast to refute a magnet endlessly produces energy, a good physicist would just look at his shoes, a bad one would make up a lie.

                              I have begun making a system but I have run out of money, I was working on a water splitter to run house boiler, with the idea of freeing people from the enslavement of the corporations, but no one is willing to help, and I'm not very well off.

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                                Peace "Abdun Nur",

                                Salaam jonny,

                                many things are proven in science, however not the things that stand against physical reality,

                                JK- Can you tell me anything that is "proven" in science?

                                the theories that are describing a process that does not act according to the description, the universe demonstrates an open energy exchange, it doesn't matter that conventional physics says that is impossible, it is still a reality.

                                JK- At the quantum level we do observe particles coming in and going out but the overall statistics or their doing such plays out on the macro level so that we don't get an infinite amount of energy just out of nothing. Some have claimed we can get this energy from the vacuum BUT NEVER has such a device been demonstrated. But as I said im open to see it.

                                As I said you would not believe the tests done on the device in the example, because the establishment you worship has refuted through its intentional perversion and corruption of truth it being possible, so you conclude it must be wrong, without investigation.

                                JK- Forget the establishment. 1st tell me Have YOU tested the device?

                                Over unity systems have cropped up again and again over the past century, I just found a simple example to demonstrate you're deep indoctrination and subjugation to sovereign authority, it is not important if I have personally investigated this device, many devices have demonstrated the same over unity attribute, even universities have done so, in the 90's a university developed a water splitter that produced 8000% over unity, fully tested and established by many many others, even reproduced by other universities, why is this not transforming physics, because physics in its conventional and widely publicised understandings, is complete and utter bull shit.

                                JK- SHOW ME. Where has this been done. I need to see this. For the time being give me a rough explanation of how that device worked. Did the water get used up i.e. was the energy taken from the H2O atoms by collapsing them?

                                But of course these university professors, who are based in chemistry, one of the few areas that the bankers cannot corrupt, because its a physical science, are confused, is that right, yes, you would need to test there device yourself, have you found a physicist, they would not be so fast to refute a magnet endlessly produces energy, a good physicist would just look at his shoes, a bad one would make up a lie.

                                JK- By producing energy we mean work that can be brought onto the macro sphere. AT the quantum level i already agreed that particles come and ago in and out of our dimesion but never has it been shown that we could use an infinite no of them at any point in spoace and use them to peform work on the macro level. BUT like i said if this has been done i want to see it.

                                I have begun making a system but I have run out of money, I was working on a water splitter to run house boiler, with the idea of freeing people from the enslavement of the corporations, but no one is willing to help, and I'm not very well off.

                                JK- Please give me a rogh outline where the energy comes from. Does it come from the water molecules which then collapse and the heat from their collapsing is then used to cause motion? GOD Bless!

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                                  Peace again "abdun nur",

                                  Also if this (http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzGJLKrnFM&feature=player_embedded) were possible we shoudlnt require any electricity at all to run it after the initial spark COZ if there is always 70% or 1.7X timesd more out than in, you can say start with X KJ electrical energy, convert it to mechnical energy plus 70%= 1.7X kJ mechnical energy out, then use 0.7X kJ of that energy for useful work as desired and the X kJ for driving an electric generator again producing X KJ of electrical energy which is lead back to the initial input of the machine and so on. So no more electrical input required from any external force and you should get more and more energy forever. GOD Bless!

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                                    Salaam jonny,

                                    Tesla created over unity systems a hundred years ago, but if the sovereigns worshipped by the masses had allowed those very masses to use the abundance of Allah, they would have no long be any sovereigns still operating in the modern world, this is also the reason they buy and sell the abundance of the earth as if they owned it, because Muslim haven't got the brains Allah imbued an ant with, and clear guidance presented simply and clearly within the Qur'an confuses and mystifies them, to the extent they blindly follow sovereign jinn wherever they are led, they join in with the usury and the hoarding of Allahs property, buying and selling stolen goods as if it was acceptable.

                                    Science proves many things, because many things are fundamental, it's these fundamentals that conventional physics rejects and attempts to cover in a blanket of deceit. If you reject the establishment as telling the truth and begin to look at the evidence of experimentation, a new picture of reality begins to emerge, a richer, deeper and simpler understanding, the main reason people do not understand physics is is makes no sense, they have turned it into gibberish intentionally, this scares people away from investigation at any level, beyond superficial acceptance of scientific dogma. The media reiterate lies endlessly, 'energy cannot be created nor destroyed', for science, 'Einstein is a genius' for a jewish superiority, a man who was wrong on everything here stated, and will be shown as so in the end; 'only two certainties in life death and taxes', both these ideas are lies, you cannot die in the conventional sense and taxation is a modern invention for the majority of the peoples of the earth, and as Islam demands all taxation must be refused and rejected Muslims must be at the forefront of that refusal, establishing common law as the true foundation of Islam, refusing sovereigns, corporations, legislations, taxations, usury and establishing reason, education as the corner stone of community.

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                                      Peace "Abdun Nur",

                                      Salaam jonny,

                                      Tesla created over unity systems a hundred years ago, but if the sovereigns worshipped by the masses had allowed those very masses to use the abundance of Allah, they would have no long be any sovereigns still operating in the modern world, this is also the reason they buy and sell the abundance of the earth as if they owned it, because Muslim haven't got the brains Allah imbued an ant with, and clear guidance presented simply and clearly within the Qur'an confuses and mystifies them, to the extent they blindly follow sovereign jinn wherever they are led, they join in with the usury and the hoarding of Allahs property, buying and selling stolen goods as if it was acceptable.

                                      JK- To be honest the cocnept of infinite energy even seemed problematic for me in view with GOD creating the universe in all the thing sin it. Coz if we can derive infinite energy from any pt in the vacuum, whats the whole fossil fuel GOD made in the earth for, what's the sun for with it's vast energy and the stars and so many other palces in the universe that have so much energy if we can just tap into the vacuum and get it? Could you offer me a good explanation for that?

                                      Science proves many things, because many things are fundamental, it's these fundamentals that conventional physics rejects and attempts to cover in a blanket of deceit.

                                      JK- CAn you give me example of some of these fundamentals and how they are proven?

                                      If you reject the establishment as telling the truth and begin to look at the evidence of experimentation, a new picture of reality begins to emerge,

                                      JK- But experimentation showed things like Einstein's general and special relativity to be true so far with no exceptions.

                                      a richer, deeper and simpler understanding, the main reason people do not understand physics is is makes no sense, they have turned it into gibberish intentionally, this scares people away from investigation at any level, beyond superficial acceptance of scientific dogma. The media reiterate lies endlessly, 'energy cannot be created nor destroyed',

                                      JK- Lets first define this. When you say energy can be destroyed, you probably mean that it disappears from our human observation, right? Coz in the absolute sense it doesnt make sense to say energy vanishes. it has to go somewhere like say into another dimension. If you agree on that , then I'll say that although this happens on the quantum level, I have not yet seen any reason to accept this can happen at the macro level too. ALSO it would make even less sense in relation to GOD, coz then why did GOD create a universe with laws and the things in it all follow laws and are stable, if everything is open?

                                      for science, 'Einstein is a genius' for a jewish superiority, a man who was wrong on everything here stated, and will be shown as so in the end;

                                      JK- So your saying relativity is wrong too?

                                      'only two certainties in life death and taxes', both these ideas are lies, you cannot die in the conventional sense and taxation is a modern invention for the majority of the peoples of the earth, and as Islam demands all taxation must be refused and rejected Muslims must be at the forefront of that refusal, establishing common law as the true foundation of Islam, refusing sovereigns, corporations, legislations, taxations, usury and establishing reason, education as the corner stone of community.

                                      JK- I agree with you on the tax issues. In the modern world of mass production taxation doesnt make any sense. Taxes were there to cut people's spending power so that the government could pay to establish public services WIHOUT causing inflation. HOWEVER in todays world even if demand increases, supply would also increase drastically. Thus the government could be given permission to print money and in the name of the people give it to the people whod be working for the general public plus even give every single indivdual arnd Eur 1000 or so tht everyones basic needs be fulfilled and they wld work happily to gain more luxury. That wld be a much better system and their wont be any inflation. The warnings of tht this wld cause inflation is wht i see as the actual fraud. Also just cause the middle class wld have 40% more money, all public service agents receiving eruql sums as before too, STILL the former wldnt start buying more vital stuff than they actually need. At best theyd buy a bigger car but as i said car companies are always happy to increase their supply should demand go uo coz of so much competition so there wont be any inflation. GOD Bless!

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                                        Salaam,

                                        it seems you want me to teach you physics, which is a bit too much for a thread on a forum, why don't you prove Einstein is correct and then I'll tell you why its not true.

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                                          Peace "Abdun Nur",

                                          Salaam,

                                          it seems you want me to teach you physics, which is a bit too much for a thread on a forum, why don't you prove Einstein is correct and then I'll tell you why its not true.

                                          JK- I've been watching many videos on free energy. Most of them make no sense and are obviously fakes but some actually made some sense i.e. the possible extraction of vacuum energy(zero point energy) by a German Physicist Prof. Dr. Claus W. Turtur. However he's been heavily criticized on a conference where the rest of the physicists say that what he showed is merely the Biefeld-Brown effect. Furthermore the effect he shows with his magnetic rotor is very small so I can't say anything yet. Listened to his lecture in German yesterday here where he also tries to refute some of the criticism levelled against him
                                          http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2I3EJyYcfc
                                          I've written him an email and am waiting for a reply. Might visit him sometime and check the device for myself.
                                          I've also heard claims equating ZPE with Dark Energy which physicists accept is there. However it's extraction for useful work here on earth is not caimed to be possible so far.
                                          Another thing which makes more sense is this
                                          http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc

                                          BUT even if this is true it doesn't mean Einstein was completely wrong JUST LIKE Newton wasn't enitirely wrong either since the latter still applies for all practical purposes in classical mechanics with perfectly satisfying results for everyday use here on earth. MOREOVER the above concept of free energy does not violate conservation of energy BECAUSE the energy DOES COME FROM SOMEWHERE AFTERALL i.e. THE VACUUM.
                                          GOD Bless!

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