Physics proving the god
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I note there are some physicists here, so I'd like to divert your attention to this http//www.16pi2.com/joomla/forcephysics/gforce.html
The individual provides his own research into an updated version of the aether concept. I find it interesting in how it can provide claims for some interesting problems in phsyics http//www.16pi2.com/joomla/white-papers.html to a certain accuracy, as well as at the same time being so simplified, and not forgetting the individual provides claims that his work may point us into proofs for the god as well as consciousness.
Personally, I've not studied much physics, and I'm still learning the basics of mathematics. Anyone here want to provide some input upon this?
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Salaam,
I present a view on my website explaining the deception of conventional physics, showing the big bang to be a lie, and that the physical universe is in truth manifest from an underlying fluidic manifold, generated from the overarching dichotomy of a single consciousness that regenerates all realities instant to instant through pure thought, this is what the physical evidence demonstrates.
Conventional physics 80 or so years ago at the point of proving this to be the truth of reality, was hijacked by the banking sovereignty and confused into abstract mathematics, they forced the universities to teach the rubbish of Einstein, and the people of the world remain confused.
There is no God there is only Allah, who is not a god but a single consciousness.
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Peace...
The below is an excerpt from http//www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dawkins_Richard/God_Delusion_Interview.html.. My physics is basic and I tend to stop reading when things get too sci-fi,spooky and imaginary. It is a physical universe and physics must address this instead of creating myths. When observation is longer practiced, it may not be science anymore. Imagination is good but it is not good to explain truth.
About physics proving existence of god, just look at the response given by Dawkins. It looks like he could be one of the few mainstream ?atheist? who thinks straight. Of course Dawkins too into big bang and hopefully he ?wakes up? and spreads truth?I hope the last sentence of his from the excerpt below is read by many in this forum. Of course credit is due to all writers debunking myths that are being churned out by theoretical mathematicians.Terrance McNally I, too, wish God had been more specific. What do you make of the recent scientific conversations about certain phenomena such as a "God nodule" in the brain?
Richard dawkins There is a certain amount of evidence that specific parts of the brain do have something to do with so-called religious experience. I've had experience of the work of the Canadian neurophysiologist, Michael Persinger. He tries to mimic the effects of temporal lobe epilepsy by passing magnetic fields through the brain. In about eighty percent of subjects, when he passes magnetic fields through certain parts of the brain, he can induce religious or mystical experiences. The details of the religious experience depend upon how the person was brought up. So, if the person was Catholic, they tend to see Virgin Marys or whatever it might be. I turned out to be one of the twenty percent for whom it didn't work. If it had worked for me, I probably wouldn't have seen any gods, but I probably would have experienced some sort of mystical experience of Oneness with the Universe.
Read on...cheers..
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Salaam,
inducing mystical experience does not prove anything, my opinion of the religious is not high, and I'm sure most of the propagated mystical experience they attribute to Allah are fantasy or indulgence in exotic chemicals.
The establishment spokesmen on the subject of religion is Mr Richard Dawkins, (a perspective founded on the theory of evolution), they have showered him with wealth, they promote his views throughout the media, and support him with grants and handouts.
The first question that must be established, is Mr Dawkins unbiased?
Dawkins has written that "there's all the difference in the world between a belief that one is prepared to defend by quoting evidence and logic, and a belief that is supported by nothing more than tradition, authority or revelation."
While I agree with that statement, it would seem Dawkins is in conflict with his own expressed view, so it would appear a hypocrite to say the least
?Dawkins responded when asked about the 911 attack on the twin towers
Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that. Revealed faith is not harmless nonsense, it can be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous because it gives people unshakable confidence in their own righteousness. Dangerous because it gives them false courage to kill themselves, which automatically removes normal barriers to killing others. Dangerous because it teaches enmity to others labelled only by a difference of inherited tradition. And dangerous because we have all bought into a weird respect, which uniquely protects religion from normal criticism. Let's now stop being so damned respectful!?If indeed Dawkins is evidence based, and his beliefs are not derived from support of traditional authority, as he expresses, his view of the attack on the twin towers is a puzzle, the evidence is overwhelmingly against the traditional authorities account, one he holds as being truthful, if judged from the evidence alone, this demonstrates the very authority he worships, the secular state, is responsible for the attacks against their own people.
The next question is, is Mr Dawkins an expert?
Dawkins "I don't want to sound callous. I mean, even if I have nothing to offer, that doesn't matter, because that still doesn't mean that what anybody else has to offer therefore has to be true."
Dawkins is offering us nothing, his meme concept is laughable, exchange the word meme for belief and there is nothing new except a label, an entire branch of pseudo-science has evolved from this label, this demonstrates if you are backed by the powerful, you can manufacture bullshit and force the gullible to eat it.
In some respects I am in full agreement with Dawkins, religions are a cancer upon the peoples of the Earth, but my view is not based in pseudo-science, but from the evidence of millennia.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Seneca the YoungerWithout doubt religions stagnate and confuse the people.
"I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world."
Bertrand RussellThe next question for Mr Dawkins is, does he at least use logic?
Dawkins "The position I have always adopted is that much of animal nature is indeed altruistic, cooperative and even attended by benevolent subjective emotions, but that this follows from, rather than contradicts, selfishness at the genetic level."
Never a truer contradiction expressed, he wishes to make the truth seem its opposite, the sign of a true religion, the evidence demonstrates altruism, so double speak is implemented to rationalise this contradiction to his dogma.
Dawkins ?Universal love and welfare of the species as a whole are concepts which simply do not make evolutionary sense.?
They do not make sense from a purely evolutionary perspective as its only half right, but they are demonstrated within the natural world, Dawkins doesn?t like this, this evidence interferes with his version of reality.
Is Dawkins a sociopath in his view of the structure of society?
In 2006, Dawkins founded the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science (RDFRS), a non-profit organisation. This organisation plans to finance research on the psychology of belief and religion, finance scientific education programs and materials, and publicise and support secular charitable organisations. These charities as they are know, use techniques of suggestion to alter the beliefs of the susceptible to the detriment of their personal judgment and the negative influence upon society at large, that these implanted beliefs manifest.
The criminal charity Common Purpose UK, run by the social psychopath Julia Middleton has used these methods to indoctrinate many of the people that are in control of many departments, within the government of the UK.
Strangely Dawkins seems to have little belief in humanity, even though he is connected with many humanitarian labelled groups Humanity as defined kindness and compassion for others.
Dawkins "What are all of us but self-reproducing robots? We have been put together by our genes and what we do is roam the world looking for a way to sustain ourselves and ultimately produce another robot child."
Such a strange view of humanity, or even life itself; are we not greater than the sum of our parts, not only human beings, but all life.
Dawkins "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."
I could not agree more Mr Dawkins, if you have faith you have nothing, how is your faith in the idea of pure evolution?
Dawkins "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world."
I couldn?t agree more, we are made for knowledge.
As you can see I am not totally at odds with the establishment view, they express their view, to divide and confuse, so subjugate the people, while my view is a desire for the truth.
Mr Dawkins wishes to divert many away from truth, in the same way all religions do, they both confuse and mislead.
"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly, teaches me to suspect that my own is also"
Mark TwainReligions are widespread, throughout the world, they, like bacteria multiply and subdivide over time, forming sects of the original cult, growing out and poisoning the thoughts of the people they infect.
This is due to the structure of all religions, being obligation and reverence. The establishment of rituals (ceremonies, festivals, obligations), practices (prayer, dogma, reverence) and sacraments (sacred objects, locations, dress), based on a founding tradition, with the focus on transformation of a soul, through this outside influence. This is an impossible precept, no one can be transformed from the outside in, only from the inside out.
The transfinite consciousness that is reality itself, manifest all through pure thought instant to instant, this is proved within unconventional physics, there is no God.
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Salaam Nur,
Do you think the god nodule could be the hypothetical iblis that misleads mankind with god/religious delusions. Iblis took refuge in our pyche. whether via drugs or without drugs many have imaginary beings in their concious that seems so real to them and they are convinced of their existence. So much so, they become violent in defending their views. There are so many articles about being 'hardwired to believe in a god'.I don't feel this is a good thing (obviously).
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Salaam Nur,
Do you think the god nodule could be the hypothetical iblis that misleads mankind with god/religious delusions. Iblis took refuge in our pyche. whether via drugs or without drugs many have imaginary beings in their concious that seems so real to them and they are convinced of their existence. So much so, they become violent in defending their views. There are so many articles about being 'hardwired to believe in a god'.I don't feel this is a good thing (obviously).
peace...Iblis is in the chest somewhere around the heart. The temporal lobes are no where near the heart.
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Salaam Rajah and Far,
my opinion of Richard Dawkins is very low, I believe he is at best an arrogant stupid man who's religion is the secular state, and at worst a cleaver man who is callous, deceptive and without conscience.
I do not think any God exists, so having a nodule connected to an imaginary entity is unlikely, I have explained my perspective on Iblis and the human mind in two essays.
Iblis
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/51/81/The Human Soul Nexus
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Does anyone know the GOD equation?
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Peace,
The "aether theory of physics" does not have much of a leg to stand on. Like most off-key "science" the theory uses a level of mathematics far too simple to describe the environment and it does invent many strange new constants, current understanding has long passed the level displayed therein.
The "predictions" that it makes are already out of line with what is seen in reality. Reading the discussions makes it apparent that this person does not really have much of a leg to stand on. I see what they are trying to do which is basically try and construct a physics theory out of some kind of spiritual insight.
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Salaam OPF,
so using your profound knowledge of conventional physics, explain where charge comes from, explain the endless energy of a magnet, explain why gravity is none existent less than 200 miles off the earth yet is presented as the dominant force, a force billions and billions of times weaker than the magnetic force. Explain where the matter of the universe originated, if you want to propagate conventional physics as true, use it to explain the universe as presented through the physical evidence, the big bang theory has been extensively disproved repeatedly, it in fact has no leg to stand on, and to prop up the lie of the big bang, they have invented strange new ideas, like black holes, and dark matter, in an endless attempt to convince people like you, that it is a limited contained physical universe.
The have used laws designed to explain steam engine construction, as profound laws of nature, called the laws of thermodynamics, such as energy can not be created nor destroyed, when it is absolutely impossible to create a closed energy system anywhere within the universe, absolutely anywhere, it is the direct opposite, we exist within an open exchange, if this was understood widely people would begin to wonder why we have to pay for energy, and why we are using technology invented a century and a half ago, without much improvement.
In your case they have done a sterling job in subjugation, you have never questioned or investigated the truth of conventionally propagated physics, just accept it on blind faith.
If you want to understand physics you have to go back to James Maxwell, he understood you can not use abstract mathematics to describe reality, he used quaternion mathematics as this takes account for the order, as in the physical universe two principles prevent abstract mathematics from being of use, the first is everything is 'A' symmetrical and secondly 2+3=5 is not the same as 3+2=5, as the order matters, as the numbers represent something physical, not abstract.
You can continue to follow the conventional physics funded by the elite, to hold you in ignorance if you wish, but you should reflect on propagating bullshit as fact, as you did above, this being a crime within Islam.
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Tell me good sir,
Do you believe in perpetual motion of any kind? A magnet does not have "endless energy". Acceleration due to gravity 200 miles off the Earth is barely even reduced by 10%. Where is it presented as the "dominant force"? The overwhelming majority of celestial bodies have a relatively neutral charge distribution so gravity takes precedence despite electromagnetism being stronger.
In your case they have done a sterling job in subjugation, you have never questioned or investigated the truth of conventionally propagated physics, just accept it on blind faith.
Don't be so sure about that.
One thing can be said as to how well conventional physics is working; there are a lot of effects in physics that arise emergently from things that happen on a smaller scale and many such fields are being linked together very well to produce technology of great complexity. A hallmark of any good theory is that it makes useful predictions about the environment. What's more, there is no dogma involved; it's openly testable. If you disagree, demonstrate a simple counter-example.
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Salaam OPF,
every atom in this physical existence demonstrates perpetual motion, everything is moving, only the confusion of the media propagated model would present the opposite, and have people believe it to be true.
A magnet does produce endless energy from nothing, all dynamo utilise this property, the Zionists use energy to spin the magnets past each other, but this is a primitive method of utilising magnetic fields to convert the time field into the electrical field.
There are many laughable examples of conventional physics that have no proof, and plenty of evidence against them, as an example take the Sun, or any star, they say that they are nuclear furnaces, but the surface is only around 6000c while the atmosphere outside the star is around 2000000c, they can not explain the physical evidence, yet continue to propagate the lie.
They say the Moon causes the tides, yet no electro-gravitational effect even of the earth with a mass more than three times that of the Moon extends much beyond 200 miles from the Earth, the moon is 250000 miles from the Earth, so without doubt it is not electro-gravitation that effects the tides, the Earth is a giant crystal, as 99.9% of all solid matter is crystalline, it is far more likely that the facets of the growing crystal pulse with the circulation of the molten Earth.
As we exist within an open energy exchange, energy is constantly being added to the mass of the Earth, as happens with every planetary body with internal movement, the universe is a living consciousness, as everything originates from pure nothingness. You should read my explanations of physics, they match the physical evidence without the need to create the emperors new suit every time the evidence fails to match the dogma, as with black holes and dark matter.
But I doubt anything I could write or say would alter your opinions, so I?ll leave you with that.
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Personally, I don't need any scientific proof.
There is a source to life... to creation. That is God.Even death is under its jurisdiction, as a part of the life cycle...
we see this with plants bearing seed and, finally, withering and passing into dust,
becoming the soil in which the seed is planted.A child can reason this and see how everything is related.. in sync, somehow.
However they chalk it up with math is completely based on a previously agreed system,
using an accepted starting point. The possibilities are endless.To base the concept of "intelligence" on human intelligence ...doesn't really strike me
as all that intelligent. We do some of the stupidest, most vile things of any creature on the planet
and much of it goes on in the lab.They'd better hope there is a God.
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Peace,
The "aether theory of physics" does not have much of a leg to stand on. Like most off-key "science" the theory uses a level of mathematics far too simple to describe the environment and it does invent many strange new constants, current understanding has long passed the level displayed therein.
The "predictions" that it makes are already out of line with what is seen in reality. Reading the discussions makes it apparent that this person does not really have much of a leg to stand on. I see what they are trying to do which is basically try and construct a physics theory out of some kind of spiritual insight.
Please do be more specific, what exactly are you trying to say? That you believe what is taught in schools?
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Tell me good sir,
Do you believe in perpetual motion of any kind? A magnet does not have "endless energy". Acceleration due to gravity 200 miles off the Earth is barely even reduced by 10%. Where is it presented as the "dominant force"? The overwhelming majority of celestial bodies have a relatively neutral charge distribution so gravity takes precedence despite electromagnetism being stronger.
Don't be so sure about that.
One thing can be said as to how well conventional physics is working; there are a lot of effects in physics that arise emergently from things that happen on a smaller scale and many such fields are being linked together very well to produce technology of great complexity. A hallmark of any good theory is that it makes useful predictions about the environment. What's more, there is no dogma involved; it's openly testable. If you disagree, demonstrate a simple counter-example.
A hallmark of a good model... not theory... is that it predicts accurately. Let's stick to the mathematics first. Once we pass the maths, then we can talk about making hypothesises.
As for belief in a perpetual motion... allah. Do I need to say anything more than quran 1122?
http//everythingforever.com/st_math.htm
And thus quran 1124
As for gravity... are you ignoring the speed of stars several 100s of light years away from the galactic core that spin at such speeds which is unimaginable under the models you speak of?
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Salaam OPF,
every atom in this physical existence demonstrates perpetual motion, everything is moving, only the confusion of the media propagated model would present the opposite, and have people believe it to be true.
Peace;
Yes, they demonstrate "perpetual motion". However the "perpetual motion" of an atom is very different, it is merely vibrating at a defined energy level and no work is done; indeed if they were in perpetual motion the electron would spin into the nucleus. Real perpetual motion can be defined as converting one form of energy completely to another form. Or another way to produce perpetual motion is to pull some energy out of your ass to compensate for the inefficiency of the process. Consider 2273, this verse has proven to be true via energy conservation and mass-energy equivalence.
A magnet does produce endless energy from nothing, all dynamo utilise this property, the Zionists use energy to spin the magnets past each other, but this is a primitive method of utilising magnetic fields to convert the time field into the electrical field.
You fail to understand the difference between "work" and "potential". A magnet always has a potential surrounding it and work is done when something interacts with this potential; the existence of a potential does not imply any work is being carried out and this is the same as on the atomic scale. I should have known, that when I spent half my childhood fiddling about with electric motors and magnets that it wasn't me playing around, the Zionists did it &!
There are many laughable examples of conventional physics that have no proof, and plenty of evidence against them, as an example take the Sun, or any star, they say that they are nuclear furnaces, but the surface is only around 6000c while the atmosphere outside the star is around 2000000c, they can not explain the physical evidence, yet continue to propagate the lie.
The physical evidence is already very well explained and quite easy to understand if you paid attention in school. Indeed a brief look at the wiki page shows that "they" can indeed explain the physical evidence. The temperature around the star is not "2000000c", it may have small regions of temporary high temperature but they are there for a reason.
They say the Moon causes the tides, yet no electro-gravitational effect even of the earth with a mass more than three times that of the Moon extends much beyond 200 miles from the Earth, the moon is 250000 miles from the Earth, so without doubt it is not electro-gravitation that effects the tides, the Earth is a giant crystal, as 99.9% of all solid matter is crystalline, it is far more likely that the facets of the growing crystal pulse with the circulation of the molten Earth.
The mind boggles.
As we exist within an open energy exchange, energy is constantly being added to the mass of the Earth, as happens with every planetary body with internal movement, the universe is a living consciousness, as everything originates from pure nothingness. You should read my explanations of physics, they match the physical evidence without the need to create the emperors new suit every time the evidence fails to match the dogma, as with black holes and dark matter.
But I doubt anything I could write or say would alter your opinions, so Ill leave you with that.
Energy is constantly being added and taken away from the mass of the earth and I do believe the universe is a living consciousness of sorts (consider that we are a speck relative to the earth even and are "conscious", it isn't very hard to believe that the universe surely has a greater degree of consciousness than us).
Actually I read quite a lot of your site long before this thread existed. It was very interesting spiritually speaking and we share many ideas but your understanding of physics really is not at a level enough to make such incredible claims. This is not like the world of quranists vs hadeethists where you are told to go study mounds of conjecture and opinion, physics is entirely different and all the pieces of the puzzle fit together strikingly well and indeed it provides some evidence for quranic claims.
As for the percieved dogma, you clearly have no idea how things work. It is very simple, physics is an endless (?) series of approximations, each new working theory is a better approximation to the truth than the last. You can see it in measurement precisions, years ago we didn't really have the ability to carve below the 0.5mm (10^-3m) scale and nowadays we are operating on the nanometer (10^-9) scale AS STANDARD (the computer you are using perhaps uses chips with transistors on the 40-60nm scale) and the forefront goes far below. Do you think this "Aether physics" model is going to let us probe any further? I sincerely doubt it.
Again what people must remember is that this is not religious dogma where a single contradiction/inconsistency disproves the entire school of thought. This is human work and it is perpetually subject to change (IN THE DIRECTION OF MORE MATHEMATICAL PRECISION, before you get your knickers in a twist) and it is far more open about this than any religious doctrine. There is no "Grand Zionist Conspiracy" in science except in military funding to make better weapons to blow each other up. Which of course provides boundary conditions for other physics theories and pushes them forward. You can fund all the scientists you want to try to prove a flat Earth but a better usage of the money would be to buy some cigarettes, a "flat Earth science conspiracy" would get nowhere either.
There is also a very striking property of correct physics models. That is that when you consider them and play with them, as long as they make correct predictions about the environment they are actually blindingly obvious and you wonder how it could possibly be any other way.
Also conventional physics does an astoundingly good job at proving THE god, far more so than any psuedoscience. In the quran the universe is said to be in a balance of sorts and it is said that God keeps the number of all things. Indeed, all of this has been demonstrated to be truthful by the establishment. The earth is the most profound example of this, the time of its origination relative to the age of the universe, the distance from sun to earth, various factors, also in the global scale of cosmology/the smallest scale of atomic physics, all these dimensionless parameters for the universe.
Peace out.
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Salaam OPF,
I would say pseudo-science would be conventional physics, you say
?The physical evidence is already very well explained and quite easy to understand if you paid attention in school. Indeed a brief look at the wiki page shows that "they" can indeed explain the physical evidence. The temperature around the star is not "2000000c", it may have small regions of temporary high temperature but they are there for a reason.?
Wikipedia
The corona is the extended outer atmosphere of the Sun, which is much larger in volume than the Sun itself. The corona continuously expands into the space forming the solar wind, which fills all the Solar System. The low corona, which is very near the surface of the Sun, has a particle density around 1015?1016 m3. The average temperature of the corona and solar wind is about 1 million?2 million kelvins, however, in the hottest regions it is 8 million?20 million kelvins. WHILE NO COMPLETE THEORY YET EXISTS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CORONA, at least some of its heat is known to be from magnetic reconnection.The difference between work and potential, as you believe
Potential energy is energy stored within a physical system as a result of the position or configuration of the different parts of that system. It has the potential to be converted into other forms of energy, such as kinetic energy, AND TO DO WORK in the process.
You seem to think the movement of energy within every atom is not perpetual motion?
Perpetual motion would be the property of a device or system which perpetually (indefinitely) produces more energy than it consumes, resulting in a net output of energy for indefinite time.
Every atom demonstrates this motion.
The establishment wish to confuse you, you seem to wish to be confused.
We exist in a manifest universe, the underlying manifold has been proved experimentally to exist, and that energy is simply thought, the universe is built upon differential fractal structures, forming a holographic matrix, the establishment do not want you to grasp the true nature of this reality, they use Zionists like Albert Einstein to confuse the minds of the population, as I said previously nothing I could write would alter anything you hold true.