How I became a Submitter Wife
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Great story but please remember that the process of learning and self-developing never stops. Also be prepared to readjust your belief system as more you uncover more truth during your pursuit of knowledge.
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Thank You everyone for the warm welcomes and YES only GOD CAN JUDGE US!! I have indeed learned and studied and my beliefs have been re arranged and changed with my studying, my findings to fit with what I found to be Quranically correct and what I believe in, alone with GOD's Guidance. No I do not belive in hadiths nor do I practice, study or read them. I stick to the Quran and GOD alone and even within this process I have found false teachings that I have been corrected in even from submission. org and reading various translations of the Quran and articles here and on quran-islam.org and it is like you have said its a never ending journey and GOD guides whom He chooses to guide.
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Thank You everyone for the warm welcomes and YES only GOD CAN JUDGE US!! I have indeed learned and studied and my beliefs have been re arranged and changed with my studying, my findings to fit with what I found to be Quranically correct and what I believe in, alone with GOD's Guidance. No I do not belive in hadiths nor do I practice, study or read them. I stick to the Quran and GOD alone and even within this process I have found false teachings that I have been corrected in even from submission. org and reading various translations of the Quran and articles here and on quran-islam.org and it is like you have said its a never ending journey and GOD guides whom He chooses to guide.
what ? why you don't believe in hadiths ? did you know that the hadiths is prophet's words ? ah I think you'll never know how to pray without the deeds of the prophet which are mentioned in hadiths . Plus the hadiths devide into two sections the first is the hadiths sharif which are the saying of the prophet , the second is the hadith Al-Qudssi which are the saying of allah through the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him .
" " here in this verse Allah ordred the nation or the community of Islam to obey what the prophet said and did." " and this saying from the prophet conclude that the prophet peace be upon him has left what if people hold it, they will never lose the path "the right path" , and he has left two things , the Qur'an and the sunna "the hadiths and the deeds". so think again about what you said that you don't believe in hadith.
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what ? why you don't believe in hadiths ? did you know that the hadiths is prophet's words ? ah I think you'll never know how to pray without the deeds of the prophet which are mentioned in hadiths . Plus the hadiths devide into two sections the first is the hadiths sharif which are the saying of the prophet , the second is the hadith Al-Qudssi which are the saying of allah through the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him .
" " here in this verse Allah ordred the nation or the community of Islam to obey what the prophet said and did." " and this saying from the prophet conclude that the prophet peace be upon him has left what if people hold it, they will never lose the path "the right path" , and he has left two things , the Qur'an and the sunna "the hadiths and the deeds". so think again about what you said that you don't believe in hadith.
The hadiths where never authorized by the prophet...
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Muhammed warned and preached against people making hadiths after his sayings and the sunnah f teh prophet honestly had to adhere to the quran and quran alone or he would not have been the chosen final prophet of GOD. Bukhari hadith are really old wives tales from his mom which was 200 or more years after muhammed died so after 200 years things would get distorted.
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The hadiths where never authorized by the prophet...
aha .woow a new information from more than 1400 years ago .. who said that the hadiths were never authorized by the prophet ? prove it ? .
well I think you have to learn again what you have learned.
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the sura is from Qur'an that we should obey what the prophet said, and what prophet said is hadiths.
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Muhammed warned and preached against people making hadiths after his sayings and the sunnah f teh prophet honestly had to adhere to the quran and quran alone or he would not have been the chosen final prophet of GOD. Bukhari hadith are really old wives tales from his mom which was 200 or more years after muhammed died so after 200 years things would get distorted.
how do you know that hadiths have been distorted ? you have just been a Muslim, and yet you're rejecting what the prophet said .
we take the hadiths from the most correct books in Islam is Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Moslim, so if you tried to say that the bokhari book has been distorted, well think again because there is another book called Sahih Muslim, and the both of the book sharing the same ahadith. Let me remind you that both of them have did a great efforts to gather the hadiths and register it and studying the Sanad, that's what you don't know.
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read a little bit http//www.scribd.com/doc/17476247/How-to-Obey-God-and-the-Messenger-according-to-Quran
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aha .woow a new information from more than 1400 years ago .. who said that the hadiths were never authorized by the prophet ? prove it ? .
well I think you have to learn again what you have learned.
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the sura is from Qur'an that we should obey what the prophet said, and what prophet said is hadiths.
"Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur'aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that." (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa'l-Raqaa'iq, 5326)
The hadiths where writen after the prophets death, so the hadiths where not writen under the guidance and the control of the prophet as the Qur'an was so you can justify their autenticity..
Of course we should obey the messenger and what he said, the Qur'an was revelated thru his mouth, when Moses came to the jews the jews needed to obey him, we need to obey all the prophets...so do you think Allah sent a book a incomplete... -
"Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur'aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that." (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa'l-Raqaa'iq, 5326)
well, this shows how your knowldge of what prophet or Qur'an said is superficial for two reasons that you don't know why prophet said ""Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur'aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that." (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa'l-Raqaa'iq, 5326)
" and the second you're not aware of the meanings of this quote .
first of all the hadiths talks about a period when the prophet peace be upon him still taking words from God and at the same time he must shows some of his interpretations and some of his deeds, so for avoiding mixing the hadiths between the words of Qur'an , he ordered the people or his friends to not write his sayings.
The hadiths where writen after the prophets death, so the hadiths where not writen under the guidance and the control of the prophet as the Qur'an was so you can justify their autenticity..
Of course we should obey the messenger and what he said, the Qur'an was revelated thru his mouth, when Moses came to the jews the jews needed to obey him, we need to obey all the prophets...so do you think Allah sent a book a incomplete...The Qur'an was written after the prophet's death, so your opinion is useless .
basically the hadiths is completing what came in Qur'an, it's a metaphore of that the hadiths has been showed some mystery in some cases in Qur'an ..
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well, this shows how your knowldge of what prophet or Qur'an said is superficial for two reasons that you don't know why prophet said ""Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur'aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that." (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa'l-Raqaa'iq, 5326)
" and the second you're not aware of the meanings of this quote .first of all the hadiths talks about a period when the prophet peace be upon him still taking words from God and at the same time he must shows some of his interpretations and some of his deeds, so for avoiding mixing the hadiths between the words of Qur'an , he ordered the people or his friends to not write his sayings.
The Qur'an was written after the prophet's death, so your opinion is useless .
basically the hadiths is completing what came in Qur'an, it's a metaphore of that the hadiths has been showed some mystery in some cases in Qur'an ..
the problem for you is you don't know the words in arabic and it's meanings .First at all chill out and respect others opinions...
From what i know the when the prophet Muhammed had a revelation, it was written...so how can you say that the Qur'an was written after the prophet Muhammeds death?
I wanna ask you, the hadiths where written by prophets that you say it's something authentic?When the hadiths started to be writed?So God sent two books?
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so for avoiding mixing the hadiths between the words of Qur'an , he ordered the people or his friends to not write his sayings.
If, as you say, the people could write why could they not write the quran and the ahadeeth? Could they not do so because they could not distinguish the words of the rasool from those of the quran? But I don't think that would make sense because you said in order to avoid mixing they should avoid the writing of ahadeeth which means they could distinguish between the two. So if they could distinguish between the two why would the writing of his sayings be forbidden? Did these people not know how to seperate one thing from another in their writings?
The Qur'an was written after the prophet's death
The writer of the quran disagrees with you .
hadiths is completing what came in Qur'an
Does the quran talk about it being incomplete?
BTW, Arabic is not the end all be all toward understanding the quran.
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First at all chill out and respect others opinions...
From what i know the when the prophet Muhammed had a revelation, it was written...so how can you say that the Qur'an was written after the prophet Muhammeds death?
I wanna ask you, the hadiths where written by prophets that you say it's something authentic?When the hadiths started to be writed?So God sent two books?
Take it easy...I'm respecting your opinion, my reply to you is a respect to your opinion if it's not I'll not bother myself replying to your post.
Yes, typically the Qur'an has been written in the age of the prophet after his death but not as you think, it wasn't classified and everyone wrote a piece of a piece and there were many writers according to the place where the prophet was . So the Qur'an has been Classified and written in a good way in the age of khilafat Abu Baker Assadik . I think you should look fr the story .
God just send one is the Qur'an, but there are other things "hadiths Al-Qodssi" or in other word the God's words to the people and they are separated from Qur'an. Qur'an contains verses "Ayattes" while the hadiths contains quotes from God through his prophet and also contains the saying and the deeds of the prophet.
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I'm respecting your opinion, my reply to you is a respect to your opinion if it's not I'll not bother myself replying to your post.
Yes, typically the Qur'an has been written in the age of the prophet after his death but not as you think, it wasn't classified and everyone wrote a piece of a piece and there were many writers according to the place where the prophet was . So the Qur'an has been Classified and written in a good way in the age of khilafat Abu Baker Assadik . I think you should look fr the story .
God just send one is the Qur'an, but there are other things "hadiths Al-Qodssi" or in other word the God's words to the people and they are separated from Qur'an. Qur'an contains verses "Ayattes" while the hadiths contains quotes from God through his prophet and also contains the saying and the deeds of the prophet.
In the age of Abu Baker the Qur'an was compiled, but it was writted when the prophet was alive, you got to distinguish the written from compilation..
So why would we need another books, when God said that the Qur'an it's a perfect and a complet book, a book for our salvation...Why?
The hadiths where writted by simple people...wich could have mistake or write whatevere they want, you you tell me a story after 10 years you will tell it to me as you said it today?I'm doubt...the hadiths are so wrong... -
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If, as you say, the people could write why could they not write the quran and the ahadeeth? Could they not do so because they could not distinguish the words of the rasool from those of the quran? But I don't think that would make sense because you said in order to avoid mixing they should avoid the writing of ahadeeth which means they could distinguish between the two. So if they could distinguish between the two why would the writing of his sayings be forbidden? Did these people not know how to seperate one thing from another in their writings?
well, let me explain
the writers know the different between what prophet said and what God said, the problem is for the people who they can't differ between the words of the prophet and between the words of God, so to avoid the listeners or the other writers other than the friends of the prophet, he ordered them to not write his sayings.
I know people mixing between what prophet said and what God said today , so how about before ?
the prophet banned writing his sayings because they were in the same time of inspiration from God, when the prophet read the verse, he explained the meanings of it, and that time people write evrything the prophet said, so to avoid mixing both of them ho oredered to not write his sayings.The writer of the quran disagrees with you .
I've said typically.
Does the quran talk about it being incomplete?
BTW, Arabic is not the end all be all toward understanding the quran.
without the interpretations and the sayings of the prophet, you'll not understand the Qur'an .
well, Arabic is the language of Quran, so untill reading it by arabic, you'll understand.
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In the age of Abu Baker the Qur'an was compiled, but it was writted when the prophet was alive, you got to distinguish the written from compilation..
So why would we need another books, when God said that the Qur'an it's a perfect and a complet book, a book for our salvation...Why?
The hadiths where writted by simple people...wich could have mistake or write whatevere they want, you you tell me a story after 10 years you will tell it to me as you said it today?I'm doubt...the hadiths are so wrong...Yes, I'm aware of this, but the compilation required to write it again and let the original compilation the source. Abu Baker Asadik may God be pleased with him has gathered the good keepers of Qur'an "who they saved Qur'an very well in their hearts", I think they were 70 savers and he gathered them and there were writers to write what the savers said and then he compare the soware who they were written in the age of the prophet after his death with what written from the keepers of Qur'an and he found them correct.so the compilation was the source but the Qur'an has written again in other papers to spread them and Abu Baker Asadik inherted the source.
You need another book because this another book explain some issues were as a mystery in Qur'an like the way that prophet peace be upon him prayed.
As I said before "completing is not the right word in english" because when I said is completing what came in Qur'an is that he defines some difficult issues in Qur'an and it explained it.
who said that the hadith was not written in the age of the existence of the prophet ?
( ) ( .. ) .to conclude this quote that one of the companion of the prophet wrote what the prophet said and Qur'aich stopped him from doing that, and he went to ask the prophet, and when he asked him, the prophet said to him write..and then he swore by God that he said just the truth.
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basically the hadiths is completing what came in Qur'an
Today, I have completed your religion
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(3) ... ...Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?
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(٤The word of your Lord is complete
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(٥He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you
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(119) ...A scripture whose verses provide the complete details, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know
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(٣We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed
(٢This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture
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(185) ...who said that the hadiths were never authorized by the prophet ? prove it ? .
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the sura is from Qur'an that we should obey what the prophet said, and what prophet said is hadiths.
Are you sure obeying the messenger means obeying these 'hadiths'? Because according to the Quran you cannot follow them and the messenger never wrote them in the first place!
These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
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(٦Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt * The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient * If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess
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(٤ (٥ (٦A revelation from the Lord of the universe * Had he uttered any other teachings * We would have punished him * We would have stopped the revelations to him
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(٣ (٤ (٥ (٦We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications
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(٢You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it
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(٧You shall remind, for your mission is to deliver this reminder * You have no power over them
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(١ (٢The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message, and GOD knows everything you declare and everything you conceal
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(٩The idol worshipers say, "Had GOD willed, we would not worship any idols besides Him, nor would our parents. Nor would we prohibit anything besides His prohibitions." Those before them have done the same. Can the messengers do anything but deliver the complete message?
(٥ ...O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD
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(According to some hadiths, the prophet Mohammed made prohibitions not made by God)What is wrong with your logic? * Do you have another book to uphold? * In it, do you find anything you want?
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(٦ (٧ (٨The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran
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(٠According to God, the Prophet Mohammed could not tell the future. The hadiths contradict this...
Surah 5229 ?Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman
(٩...Say, 'I am not an innovation among the messengers. I do not know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am but a profound warner'
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(٩They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'
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(٠Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe
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(٨Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"
(٠"I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"
(31) ...Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"
(65) ...If you claim to be sunni/ shia, etc. then you really need to read these verses...
Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done
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(٩Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and hold the assembly, and do not be of those who set up partners * Or like those who split-up their system, and they became sects, each group happy with what it had
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(٢And they only divided after the knowledge had come to them, due to resentment among themselves. And had it not been for a predetermined decision from your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, those who inherited the scripture after them are full of doubts.
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(٤without the interpretations and the sayings of the prophet, you'll not understand the Qur'an .
Who explains the Quran according to God?
He explains them for people who know
GOD thus explains His revelations for you, that you may understand
GOD thus explains His revelations for you, that you may be guided
GOD wills to explain things for you
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Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate!
GOD thus explains His revelations to you, that you may be appreciative
Note how we explain the revelations, and note how they still deviate!
We thus explain the revelations, and point out the ways of the wicked
We thus explain the revelations
We have explained the revelations for people who take heed
We thus explain the revelations for people who know
We thus explain the revelations for people who are appreciative
We thus explain the revelations, to enable the people to redeem themselves
We thus explain the revelations for people who know
He explains the revelations for people who know
We thus explain the revelations for people who reflect
He controls all things, and explains the revelations
We thus explain everything in detail
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GOD thus explains the revelations for you
GOD thus explains the revelations for you, that you may understand
We thus explain the revelations for people who understand
We thus explain the revelations for you, that you may understand
Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran * Then it is we who will explain it
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(٨ (٩well I think you have to learn again what you have learned.
I think you need to do some learning!
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Why the dogs are unclean animals and the angels are not entering in a house where the dogs are?
Do you really belive that the prophet ordered the killings of the black dogs?
Why should someone be lashed for drinking alchool?Dosen't sound for you this things being absurd cause for me sounds as absurdity?
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Are you sure obeying the messenger means obeying these 'hadiths'? Because according to the Quran you cannot follow them and the messenger never wrote them in the first place!the difference between the Quran and Sunnah is that the Quran is " " words"is not the right word in english" and meanings in addition of that the Qur'an is "" frequent "is not the right word in english" and worshipers had read it in prayers (the problem for you guys as a non-arabics is the right translation of the words and I doubt it'll be a good one because arabic is a language of meanings), the Sunnah is the words of prophet peace be upon him in Words "again is not the right word of english and there is no word means "" in english" " and those words are from God in meanings but worshipers must not read it in the prayer.
did you forget that the prophet peace be upon him was illiterate which means he can't write and he can't read?
ah one more thing you don't know the stories of the verses that you have stated them let alone the cause of their shading "".
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I don't like the traslation of Qur'an in english so I'll explain to you the verse here in this verse God ordered to take what the prophet said or did . the order is " " in english take it ." " in english what he brought and what he did and what he said.
According to God, the Prophet Mohammed could not tell the future. The hadiths contradict this...
well, You're wrong, God told his prophet about the lost nations which was a unknown things"" from the past, and he told them too about future events to renforce his message and to make signs for the next generations which they will always make them remembering the right path .and some of the prophecies are already occured like the shepherds and the tall buildings or towers as we called them today.
Example the prophet said that one of signs of the approaching of the day of judgment is the spliting of the moon .
there is a verse in Qur'an said the same thing that splitting the moon is the approaching of the day of Judgement.{ } (1) ( ) .
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here the verse mentionned that God told his prophet some of the "past events and future events" which are some things unknown from ""
If you claim to be sunni/ shia, etc. then you really need to read these verses...
I'm Sunni and what you don't know is the cause of the shading of these verses, and you can't know this cause because they are mentioning in hadiths and you're a rejecter of hadiths.
every verse in Qur'an has shaded for a reason and for specific time and place and for a specific situation, you'll know these things by reading the hadiths.
Example of the Sura al-fatiha
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look here in what the prophet said and what the Qur'an said, there are basically the same (the prophet said that al-fatiha is the " " and the Qur'an said that God gave his prophet " " but how we do know that what Qur'an said about " " is the al-fatiha ? the answer is by the hadith where the prophet has explained that " " is meaning surat al-fatiha
I think you need to do some learning!
I think you're right I have to do some learning for you . peace
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Bro, Thereformer1
Why the dogs are unclean animals and the angels are not entering in a house where the dogs are?
Yes Dogs are unclean because scientists have discovered that the tongue of the dogs contains more than 45 "" is kind of viruses and that the majority of people have dogs have found in their bodies cancer " a strange types of cancer due to dogs" let alone that there is a small insects live in the skin of dogs, so whether you clean it or not, this kind of small insects will stay there and they can move from dogs to human by touch. ah one more thing Dogs when they grew up, they could be attacked by an acute virus disease of the central nervous system that affects all warm-blooded animals transmitted to humans by a bite from an infected dog.
and about the reason of the saying that angels are not entering the house where the dogs are from my opinion that Dog is a slave of his owner, his natural creation or maybe he took it by time is that he worship who recaive charity from him. my second opinion that the Djinn can consist Dogs and serpents , so here I can be sure why Angels can't enter to a house where dogs are .
Do you really belive that the prophet ordered the killings of the black dogs?
As I said the black dogs are usually not dogs but they are Djinn or deamons .they visit our world by consisting the dogs especially the black ones and serpents. so you'll in danger because you can't differ from a normal dog and a paranormal dog.
Why should someone be lashed for drinking alchool?
the lashing is because the situation of the drinker of alcohol mentionned in Qur'an with some punishment of such a punishments for other sin. so here God maybe gave the opportunity for his prophet to interpret this punishment or maybe for the kholafa'e arachidine "the friends of the prophets" as you know that Omar bno Al Kahatab the so-called the Criterion has lashed his son because they told him that his son drunk. so why you want to not do like him known that his nickname was the name of the God's book?
Dosen't sound for you this things being absurd cause for me sounds as absurdity?
For you sounds absurd ..for me not because I know why , I hope you read my explanation and be more reasonable.
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Yes Dogs are unclean because scientists have discovered that the tongue of the dogs contains more than 45 "" is kind of viruses and that the majority of people have dogs have found in their bodies cancer " a strange types of cancer due to dogs" let alone that there is a small insects live in the skin of dogs, so whether you clean it or not, this kind of small insects will stay there and they can move from dogs to human by touch. ah one more thing Dogs when they grew up, they could be attacked by an acute virus disease of the central nervous system that affects all warm-blooded animals transmitted to humans by a bite from an infected dog.
and about the reason of the saying that angels are not entering the house where the dogs are from my opinion that Dog is a slave of his owner, his natural creation or maybe he took it by time is that he worship who recaive charity from him. my second opinion that the Djinn can consist Dogs and serpents , so here I can be sure why Angels can't enter to a house where dogs are .
As I said the black dogs are usually not dogs but they are Djinn or deamons .they visit our world by consisting the dogs especially the black ones and serpents. so you'll in danger because you can't differ from a normal dog and a paranormal dog.
the lashing is because the situation of the drinker of alcohol mentionned in Qur'an with some punishment of such a punishments for other sin. so here God maybe gave the opportunity for his prophet to interpret this punishment or maybe for the kholafa'e arachidine "the friends of the prophets" as you know that Omar bno Al Kahatab the so-called the Criterion has lashed his son because they told him that his son drunk. so why you want to not do like him known that his nickname was the name of the God's book?
For you sounds absurd ..for me not because I know why , I hope you read my explanation and be more reasonable.
No offence but ou make me laught, it is absurd what you say, brother open your eyes and think logical...
Show me a single verse in the Qur'an where God tells us that the dog it's an unclean animal, God it's telling us that the pig it's unclean so it should be the dogs mentioned too.
In Surat 18, we have the story of a blessed belivers wich had a dog wich was sleeping with them in the cave so the hadiths are contradicting the Qur'an.
So a dog wich can protect his familiy, a dog wich can hunt for his master, a dog wich can help a blind or a deaf man, it's unclean and produce cancer..lol, exagerating
About drinking punishment, show me in the Qur'an again where it's that punishment as in the Qur'an we have punishment for adultery, crime, rape..Stay away from the black dogs people...cause a lot of black dogs have saved lives and are still saving lives every day..
And by the way, the djins are made from fire, i'm doubt that a black dog could host fire inside him...
And the people who leave "Islam", should be killed because.....?
I refuse to belive that the prophet was so cruel as your hadiths are showing him...
Salam.