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so for avoiding mixing the hadiths between the words of Qur'an , he ordered the people or his friends to not write his sayings.
If, as you say, the people could write why could they not write the quran and the ahadeeth? Could they not do so because they could not distinguish the words of the rasool from those of the quran? But I don't think that would make sense because you said in order to avoid mixing they should avoid the writing of ahadeeth which means they could distinguish between the two. So if they could distinguish between the two why would the writing of his sayings be forbidden? Did these people not know how to seperate one thing from another in their writings?
The Qur'an was written after the prophet's death
The writer of the quran disagrees with you .
hadiths is completing what came in Qur'an
Does the quran talk about it being incomplete?
BTW, Arabic is not the end all be all toward understanding the quran.
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First at all chill out and respect others opinions...
From what i know the when the prophet Muhammed had a revelation, it was written...so how can you say that the Qur'an was written after the prophet Muhammeds death?
I wanna ask you, the hadiths where written by prophets that you say it's something authentic?When the hadiths started to be writed?So God sent two books?
Take it easy...I'm respecting your opinion, my reply to you is a respect to your opinion if it's not I'll not bother myself replying to your post.
Yes, typically the Qur'an has been written in the age of the prophet after his death but not as you think, it wasn't classified and everyone wrote a piece of a piece and there were many writers according to the place where the prophet was . So the Qur'an has been Classified and written in a good way in the age of khilafat Abu Baker Assadik . I think you should look fr the story .
God just send one is the Qur'an, but there are other things "hadiths Al-Qodssi" or in other word the God's words to the people and they are separated from Qur'an. Qur'an contains verses "Ayattes" while the hadiths contains quotes from God through his prophet and also contains the saying and the deeds of the prophet.
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I'm respecting your opinion, my reply to you is a respect to your opinion if it's not I'll not bother myself replying to your post.
Yes, typically the Qur'an has been written in the age of the prophet after his death but not as you think, it wasn't classified and everyone wrote a piece of a piece and there were many writers according to the place where the prophet was . So the Qur'an has been Classified and written in a good way in the age of khilafat Abu Baker Assadik . I think you should look fr the story .
God just send one is the Qur'an, but there are other things "hadiths Al-Qodssi" or in other word the God's words to the people and they are separated from Qur'an. Qur'an contains verses "Ayattes" while the hadiths contains quotes from God through his prophet and also contains the saying and the deeds of the prophet.
In the age of Abu Baker the Qur'an was compiled, but it was writted when the prophet was alive, you got to distinguish the written from compilation..
So why would we need another books, when God said that the Qur'an it's a perfect and a complet book, a book for our salvation...Why?
The hadiths where writted by simple people...wich could have mistake or write whatevere they want, you you tell me a story after 10 years you will tell it to me as you said it today?I'm doubt...the hadiths are so wrong... -
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If, as you say, the people could write why could they not write the quran and the ahadeeth? Could they not do so because they could not distinguish the words of the rasool from those of the quran? But I don't think that would make sense because you said in order to avoid mixing they should avoid the writing of ahadeeth which means they could distinguish between the two. So if they could distinguish between the two why would the writing of his sayings be forbidden? Did these people not know how to seperate one thing from another in their writings?
well, let me explain
the writers know the different between what prophet said and what God said, the problem is for the people who they can't differ between the words of the prophet and between the words of God, so to avoid the listeners or the other writers other than the friends of the prophet, he ordered them to not write his sayings.
I know people mixing between what prophet said and what God said today , so how about before ?
the prophet banned writing his sayings because they were in the same time of inspiration from God, when the prophet read the verse, he explained the meanings of it, and that time people write evrything the prophet said, so to avoid mixing both of them ho oredered to not write his sayings.The writer of the quran disagrees with you .
I've said typically.
Does the quran talk about it being incomplete?
BTW, Arabic is not the end all be all toward understanding the quran.
without the interpretations and the sayings of the prophet, you'll not understand the Qur'an .
well, Arabic is the language of Quran, so untill reading it by arabic, you'll understand.
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In the age of Abu Baker the Qur'an was compiled, but it was writted when the prophet was alive, you got to distinguish the written from compilation..
So why would we need another books, when God said that the Qur'an it's a perfect and a complet book, a book for our salvation...Why?
The hadiths where writted by simple people...wich could have mistake or write whatevere they want, you you tell me a story after 10 years you will tell it to me as you said it today?I'm doubt...the hadiths are so wrong...Yes, I'm aware of this, but the compilation required to write it again and let the original compilation the source. Abu Baker Asadik may God be pleased with him has gathered the good keepers of Qur'an "who they saved Qur'an very well in their hearts", I think they were 70 savers and he gathered them and there were writers to write what the savers said and then he compare the soware who they were written in the age of the prophet after his death with what written from the keepers of Qur'an and he found them correct.so the compilation was the source but the Qur'an has written again in other papers to spread them and Abu Baker Asadik inherted the source.
You need another book because this another book explain some issues were as a mystery in Qur'an like the way that prophet peace be upon him prayed.
As I said before "completing is not the right word in english" because when I said is completing what came in Qur'an is that he defines some difficult issues in Qur'an and it explained it.
who said that the hadith was not written in the age of the existence of the prophet ?
( ) ( .. ) .to conclude this quote that one of the companion of the prophet wrote what the prophet said and Qur'aich stopped him from doing that, and he went to ask the prophet, and when he asked him, the prophet said to him write..and then he swore by God that he said just the truth.
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basically the hadiths is completing what came in Qur'an
Today, I have completed your religion
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(3) ... ...Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?
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(٤The word of your Lord is complete
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(٥He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you
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(119) ...A scripture whose verses provide the complete details, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know
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(٣We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed
(٢This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture
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(185) ...who said that the hadiths were never authorized by the prophet ? prove it ? .
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the sura is from Qur'an that we should obey what the prophet said, and what prophet said is hadiths.
Are you sure obeying the messenger means obeying these 'hadiths'? Because according to the Quran you cannot follow them and the messenger never wrote them in the first place!
These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
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(٦Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt * The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient * If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess
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(٤ (٥ (٦A revelation from the Lord of the universe * Had he uttered any other teachings * We would have punished him * We would have stopped the revelations to him
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(٣ (٤ (٥ (٦We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications
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(٢You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it
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(٧You shall remind, for your mission is to deliver this reminder * You have no power over them
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(١ (٢The sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message, and GOD knows everything you declare and everything you conceal
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(٩The idol worshipers say, "Had GOD willed, we would not worship any idols besides Him, nor would our parents. Nor would we prohibit anything besides His prohibitions." Those before them have done the same. Can the messengers do anything but deliver the complete message?
(٥ ...O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD
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(According to some hadiths, the prophet Mohammed made prohibitions not made by God)What is wrong with your logic? * Do you have another book to uphold? * In it, do you find anything you want?
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(٦ (٧ (٨The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran
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(٠According to God, the Prophet Mohammed could not tell the future. The hadiths contradict this...
Surah 5229 ?Therefore continue to remind, for by the grace of your Lord, you are not a soothsayer, or a madman
(٩...Say, 'I am not an innovation among the messengers. I do not know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am but a profound warner'
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(٩They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'
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(٠Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe
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(٨Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"
(٠"I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"
(31) ...Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"
(65) ...If you claim to be sunni/ shia, etc. then you really need to read these verses...
Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done
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(٩Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and hold the assembly, and do not be of those who set up partners * Or like those who split-up their system, and they became sects, each group happy with what it had
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(٢And they only divided after the knowledge had come to them, due to resentment among themselves. And had it not been for a predetermined decision from your Lord, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, those who inherited the scripture after them are full of doubts.
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(٤without the interpretations and the sayings of the prophet, you'll not understand the Qur'an .
Who explains the Quran according to God?
He explains them for people who know
GOD thus explains His revelations for you, that you may understand
GOD thus explains His revelations for you, that you may be guided
GOD wills to explain things for you
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Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate!
GOD thus explains His revelations to you, that you may be appreciative
Note how we explain the revelations, and note how they still deviate!
We thus explain the revelations, and point out the ways of the wicked
We thus explain the revelations
We have explained the revelations for people who take heed
We thus explain the revelations for people who know
We thus explain the revelations for people who are appreciative
We thus explain the revelations, to enable the people to redeem themselves
We thus explain the revelations for people who know
He explains the revelations for people who know
We thus explain the revelations for people who reflect
He controls all things, and explains the revelations
We thus explain everything in detail
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GOD thus explains the revelations for you
GOD thus explains the revelations for you, that you may understand
We thus explain the revelations for people who understand
We thus explain the revelations for you, that you may understand
Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran * Then it is we who will explain it
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(٨ (٩well I think you have to learn again what you have learned.
I think you need to do some learning!
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Why the dogs are unclean animals and the angels are not entering in a house where the dogs are?
Do you really belive that the prophet ordered the killings of the black dogs?
Why should someone be lashed for drinking alchool?Dosen't sound for you this things being absurd cause for me sounds as absurdity?
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Are you sure obeying the messenger means obeying these 'hadiths'? Because according to the Quran you cannot follow them and the messenger never wrote them in the first place!the difference between the Quran and Sunnah is that the Quran is " " words"is not the right word in english" and meanings in addition of that the Qur'an is "" frequent "is not the right word in english" and worshipers had read it in prayers (the problem for you guys as a non-arabics is the right translation of the words and I doubt it'll be a good one because arabic is a language of meanings), the Sunnah is the words of prophet peace be upon him in Words "again is not the right word of english and there is no word means "" in english" " and those words are from God in meanings but worshipers must not read it in the prayer.
did you forget that the prophet peace be upon him was illiterate which means he can't write and he can't read?
ah one more thing you don't know the stories of the verses that you have stated them let alone the cause of their shading "".
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I don't like the traslation of Qur'an in english so I'll explain to you the verse here in this verse God ordered to take what the prophet said or did . the order is " " in english take it ." " in english what he brought and what he did and what he said.
According to God, the Prophet Mohammed could not tell the future. The hadiths contradict this...
well, You're wrong, God told his prophet about the lost nations which was a unknown things"" from the past, and he told them too about future events to renforce his message and to make signs for the next generations which they will always make them remembering the right path .and some of the prophecies are already occured like the shepherds and the tall buildings or towers as we called them today.
Example the prophet said that one of signs of the approaching of the day of judgment is the spliting of the moon .
there is a verse in Qur'an said the same thing that splitting the moon is the approaching of the day of Judgement.{ } (1) ( ) .
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here the verse mentionned that God told his prophet some of the "past events and future events" which are some things unknown from ""
If you claim to be sunni/ shia, etc. then you really need to read these verses...
I'm Sunni and what you don't know is the cause of the shading of these verses, and you can't know this cause because they are mentioning in hadiths and you're a rejecter of hadiths.
every verse in Qur'an has shaded for a reason and for specific time and place and for a specific situation, you'll know these things by reading the hadiths.
Example of the Sura al-fatiha
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look here in what the prophet said and what the Qur'an said, there are basically the same (the prophet said that al-fatiha is the " " and the Qur'an said that God gave his prophet " " but how we do know that what Qur'an said about " " is the al-fatiha ? the answer is by the hadith where the prophet has explained that " " is meaning surat al-fatiha
I think you need to do some learning!
I think you're right I have to do some learning for you . peace
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Bro, Thereformer1
Why the dogs are unclean animals and the angels are not entering in a house where the dogs are?
Yes Dogs are unclean because scientists have discovered that the tongue of the dogs contains more than 45 "" is kind of viruses and that the majority of people have dogs have found in their bodies cancer " a strange types of cancer due to dogs" let alone that there is a small insects live in the skin of dogs, so whether you clean it or not, this kind of small insects will stay there and they can move from dogs to human by touch. ah one more thing Dogs when they grew up, they could be attacked by an acute virus disease of the central nervous system that affects all warm-blooded animals transmitted to humans by a bite from an infected dog.
and about the reason of the saying that angels are not entering the house where the dogs are from my opinion that Dog is a slave of his owner, his natural creation or maybe he took it by time is that he worship who recaive charity from him. my second opinion that the Djinn can consist Dogs and serpents , so here I can be sure why Angels can't enter to a house where dogs are .
Do you really belive that the prophet ordered the killings of the black dogs?
As I said the black dogs are usually not dogs but they are Djinn or deamons .they visit our world by consisting the dogs especially the black ones and serpents. so you'll in danger because you can't differ from a normal dog and a paranormal dog.
Why should someone be lashed for drinking alchool?
the lashing is because the situation of the drinker of alcohol mentionned in Qur'an with some punishment of such a punishments for other sin. so here God maybe gave the opportunity for his prophet to interpret this punishment or maybe for the kholafa'e arachidine "the friends of the prophets" as you know that Omar bno Al Kahatab the so-called the Criterion has lashed his son because they told him that his son drunk. so why you want to not do like him known that his nickname was the name of the God's book?
Dosen't sound for you this things being absurd cause for me sounds as absurdity?
For you sounds absurd ..for me not because I know why , I hope you read my explanation and be more reasonable.
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Yes Dogs are unclean because scientists have discovered that the tongue of the dogs contains more than 45 "" is kind of viruses and that the majority of people have dogs have found in their bodies cancer " a strange types of cancer due to dogs" let alone that there is a small insects live in the skin of dogs, so whether you clean it or not, this kind of small insects will stay there and they can move from dogs to human by touch. ah one more thing Dogs when they grew up, they could be attacked by an acute virus disease of the central nervous system that affects all warm-blooded animals transmitted to humans by a bite from an infected dog.
and about the reason of the saying that angels are not entering the house where the dogs are from my opinion that Dog is a slave of his owner, his natural creation or maybe he took it by time is that he worship who recaive charity from him. my second opinion that the Djinn can consist Dogs and serpents , so here I can be sure why Angels can't enter to a house where dogs are .
As I said the black dogs are usually not dogs but they are Djinn or deamons .they visit our world by consisting the dogs especially the black ones and serpents. so you'll in danger because you can't differ from a normal dog and a paranormal dog.
the lashing is because the situation of the drinker of alcohol mentionned in Qur'an with some punishment of such a punishments for other sin. so here God maybe gave the opportunity for his prophet to interpret this punishment or maybe for the kholafa'e arachidine "the friends of the prophets" as you know that Omar bno Al Kahatab the so-called the Criterion has lashed his son because they told him that his son drunk. so why you want to not do like him known that his nickname was the name of the God's book?
For you sounds absurd ..for me not because I know why , I hope you read my explanation and be more reasonable.
No offence but ou make me laught, it is absurd what you say, brother open your eyes and think logical...
Show me a single verse in the Qur'an where God tells us that the dog it's an unclean animal, God it's telling us that the pig it's unclean so it should be the dogs mentioned too.
In Surat 18, we have the story of a blessed belivers wich had a dog wich was sleeping with them in the cave so the hadiths are contradicting the Qur'an.
So a dog wich can protect his familiy, a dog wich can hunt for his master, a dog wich can help a blind or a deaf man, it's unclean and produce cancer..lol, exagerating
About drinking punishment, show me in the Qur'an again where it's that punishment as in the Qur'an we have punishment for adultery, crime, rape..Stay away from the black dogs people...cause a lot of black dogs have saved lives and are still saving lives every day..
And by the way, the djins are made from fire, i'm doubt that a black dog could host fire inside him...
And the people who leave "Islam", should be killed because.....?
I refuse to belive that the prophet was so cruel as your hadiths are showing him...
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the difference between the Quran and Sunnah is that the Quran is " " words"is not the right word in english" and meanings in addition of that the Qur'an is "" frequent "is not the right word in english" and worshipers had read it in prayers (the problem for you guys as a non-arabics is the right translation of the words and I doubt it'll be a good one because arabic is a language of meanings), the Sunnah is the words of prophet peace be upon him in Words "again is not the right word of english and there is no word means "" in english" " and those words are from God in meanings but worshipers must not read it in the prayer.
did you forget that the prophet peace be upon him was illiterate which means he can't write and he can't read?
ah one more thing you don't know the stories of the verses that you have stated them let alone the cause of their shading "".
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I don't like the traslation of Qur'an in english so I'll explain to you the verse here in this verse God ordered to take what the prophet said or did . the order is " " in english take it ." " in english what he brought and what he did and what he said.
well, You're wrong, God told his prophet about the lost nations which was a unknown things"" from the past, and he told them too about future events to renforce his message and to make signs for the next generations which they will always make them remembering the right path .and some of the prophecies are already occured like the shepherds and the tall buildings or towers as we called them today.
Example the prophet said that one of signs of the approaching of the day of judgment is the spliting of the moon .
there is a verse in Qur'an said the same thing that splitting the moon is the approaching of the day of Judgement.{ } (1) ( ) .
( ( 49 ) )
here the verse mentionned that God told his prophet some of the "past events and future events" which are some things unknown from ""
I'm Sunni and what you don't know is the cause of the shading of these verses, and you can't know this cause because they are mentioning in hadiths and you're a rejecter of hadiths.
every verse in Qur'an has shaded for a reason and for specific time and place and for a specific situation, you'll know these things by reading the hadiths.
Example of the Sura al-fatiha
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look here in what the prophet said and what the Qur'an said, there are basically the same (the prophet said that al-fatiha is the " " and the Qur'an said that God gave his prophet " " but how we do know that what Qur'an said about " " is the al-fatiha ? the answer is by the hadith where the prophet has explained that " " is meaning surat al-fatiha
I think you're right I have to do some learning for you . peace
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First of all, I know Arabic so there's need for your holier-than-thou attitude.
Secondly, I am aware that some future events were revealed to the prophet Mohammed. I have some more verses here...
So they were made powerless to scale it or dig through it. said, ?This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true.? And on that Day , We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another, and the Trumpet will be blown
Then wait you for the Day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke, covering the people, this will be a painful torment
The hour will not be established till the sun rises from the West
At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations
BUT the hadiths also make out that he foretold events that weren't in the Quran ie not revealed to him by God. This is in contradiction to the verses I already gave.
Finally, in regards to all these 'shadings' you're talking about, the only 'shadings' are the ones that are covering your heart from understanding.
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided {1857}
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the problem is for the people who they can't differ between the words of the prophet and between the words of God,
The plebian you mean. That being said why can't those who can distinguish put God's word in one book and the prophet's in another?
so to avoid the listeners or the other writers other than the friends of the prophet, he ordered them to not write his sayings.
Who broke his command then?
I know people mixing between what prophet said and what God said today , so how about before ?
Can you explain the problem with mixing what God said with what the prophet said? Is that wrong? Does that mean that the prophet said what God did not tell him to say? If God told him to say it why should they not be mixed?
the prophet banned writing his sayings because they were in the same time of inspiration from God, when the prophet read the verse, he explained the meanings of it, and that time people write evrything the prophet said, so to avoid mixing both of them ho oredered to not write his sayings.
I still don't get the problem. If they expound on what God did not explain then why should they have not been written together? Are there still people today who cannot distinguish, if not than why did they disappear? If they still are here than why are there so many additions to the quran today?
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No offence but ou make me laught, it is absurd what you say, brother open your eyes and think logical...
make you laugh !!! really !!! well let's see how much do you can laugh about yourself !!!
first of all search about Toxocara disease ///briefly it's a disease transfered to human by dogs and it causes blindness for human .
Toxicara is caused by a roundworm parasite that can be transmitted in dog. The parasite burrows into the eyes causing tumors or detached retina and consequential blindness.there are other diseases but I'll not argue more about the subject because it is clear, Dogs by their nature not clean but not literally, I don't know how to explain to you the difference between unclean literally and emotionaly"meaningful".We said in arabic about Dogs that are " " .
Show me a single verse in the Qur'an where God tells us that the dog it's an unclean animal, God it's telling us that the pig it's unclean so it should be the dogs mentioned too.
why God should mention Dogs too while he gave man mind to discover this issue by himself ? he gave you an example about pig, now it's your turn to see the other animals are they like pig or not .
In fact do you know that God talks about Dog in Qur'an? the situation of some people who they were following their desires, God decribed this situation of this people as a Dog's situation .And if We had pleased, We could have exalted him thereby; but he inclined to the earth and followed his evil inclination. His case therefore is like the case of a thirsty dog; if thou drive him away, he hangs out his tongue; and if thou leave him, he hangs out his tongue. Such is the case of the people who disbelieve in Our Signs. So give them the description that they may ponder.
look at this verse God describe the situation of a thirsty Dog, in fact in arabic God describe the situation of the habit of the dog whether he is thirsty or not.The habit is hanging out his tongue. Recently discoveries said that Dog hangs out his tongue because he can't exhale the hot breaths easily from his abdomen so to cool it he hangs out his hangs despite all his eassays to cool his abdomen his body still reserves this heat of the hot breaths which makes parasites live in his skin an d his tongue.
In Surat 18, we have the story of a blessed belivers wich had a dog wich was sleeping with them in the cave so the hadiths are contradicting the Qur'an.
I'm not banning all the kind of dogs, the dog that was with those believers was a dog of hunting, and this kind of dogs are allowed in Islam.the hadith was clear that taking Dog for hunting is allowed, taking dog for guarding is allowed.But taking Dog just for enjoyment and pleasure is not allowed . there are people in the world in need of taking them instead of that you take dog. who is the best for you a dog or a child can't find a home or a food as you do?
So a dog wich can protect his familiy, a dog wich can hunt for his master, a dog wich can help a blind or a deaf man, it's unclean and produce cancer..lol, exagerating
See above . Dog of guarding and hunting and helping blind people are allowed . the hadith is clear abour what types of dogs, don't distorte it because you didn't understand it.
About drinking punishment, show me in the Qur'an again where it's that punishment as in the Qur'an we have punishment for adultery, crime, rape..
So, you see it must be stated in Qur'an other than is not valid , what a useless justifications. God gave man the ability to use his mind and he gave him the ability to add laws and succinctness, according to the times because there are changes. And And plus of that there is a job the so-called governor or judger and Omar bno Al Kahatab may God be pleased with him was a judger and he was so good in this Job. I said he judged his own son by lashing 80 times and because of that people told him that his son drunk. there are laws today aren't in the Qur'an.
Stay away from the black dogs people...cause a lot of black dogs have saved lives and are still saving lives every day..
they have saved life of some people doesn't mean that they are not dangerous, as I said before the Djinn consist the black dogs , so deal with ir or just don't.
And by the way, the djins are made from fire, i'm doubt that a black dog could host fire inside him...
And the people who leave "Islam", should be killed because.....?Do you know first what kind of fire ? or at least how it was this fire of the creation of the Djinn? ..we are from clay which means the dust of earth, is that mean that plants can grow in my nose !!!! rotfl or maybe I'm from clay, they can make decor from my body.
I refuse to belive that the prophet was so cruel as your hadiths are showing him...
Salam.what ? it wasn't and the hadiths show nothing about cruality , you're just confusing between the translation of the words which aren't the good translation neither they translated them with their meanings.
if you said so , some of guys like you said to me that there is violence in Qur'an, how do you consider it ? and yes there is so it's the will of God. the same in the hadiths what you consider cruality is in fact a mercy. -
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The plebian you mean. That being said why can't those who can distinguish put God's word in one book and the prophet's in another?Salam alaykom,
I've explained the difference of hadiths which are the words of the prophet and the Qur'an which is the words of God"Allah", the Qur'an is words and meanings " " from God, the hadiths are words from prophet but meanings from God " " ..So to avoid people from mixing between both of them the prophet stopped writing his words. I said he ordered to stop writing his sayings and it means that people wrote them and hide them probably.Who broke his command then?
well, the broke his commands for a good reasons and in fact they didn't break his commands they hid what they wrote and we are really thinkful to them, because whithout knowing the hadiths which are sayings and deeds from the prophet and from God at the same time, people will not know the morales and the compliments of the prophet neither they will know some interpretations of the Qur'an neither they will know how to act in prayers and how to pray in a good way, people will not know the zakat and how to perform it..the hadiths came to treat some of the issues of the "" the heritage which it was a mystery in Qur'an in how to divide it, let alone the "" recommendation and how to to use it and who is valid of taking it. A lot of things ..etc.
Can you explain the problem with mixing what God said with what the prophet said? Is that wrong? Does that mean that the prophet said what God did not tell him to say? If God told him to say it why should they not be mixed?
No, it's not wrong but Qur'an is for prayers and hadiths is for deeds and morales not for prayers , so mixing both of them is a disaster.
see above "where I stated the difference between Qur'an and hadiths"I still don't get the problem. If they expound on what God did not explain then why should they have not been written together? Are there still people today who cannot distinguish, if not than why did they disappear? If they still are here than why are there so many additions to the quran today?
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can you make your questions clear, because I really didn't understand anything ..
the questions are not related to each other .Quetions in the west others in the East. make your point clear. -
make you laugh !!! really !!! well let's see how much do you can laugh about yourself !!!
first of all search about Toxocara disease ///briefly it's a disease transfered to human by dogs and it causes blindness for human .
Toxicara is caused by a roundworm parasite that can be transmitted in dog. The parasite burrows into the eyes causing tumors or detached retina and consequential blindness.there are other diseases but I'll not argue more about the subject because it is clear, Dogs by their nature not clean but not literally, I don't know how to explain to you the difference between unclean literally and emotionaly"meaningful".We said in arabic about Dogs that are " " .
You dosen't seem to think logical brother, the dogs are human beings and they can get ill as we can get ill, they can contact parasites as we can contact so if a man can contact SIDA or something else and can infect other people, that mean's that the people are unclean?
Of course a dog can get you ill if you don't take care of him, you can get ill if you can take care of yourself too..why God should mention Dogs too while he gave man mind to discover this issue by himself ? he gave you an example about pig, now it's your turn to see the other animals are they like pig or not .
In fact do you know that God talks about Dog in Qur'an? the situation of some people who they were following their desires, God decribed this situation of this people as a Dog's situation .And if We had pleased, We could have exalted him thereby; but he inclined to the earth and followed his evil inclination. His case therefore is like the case of a thirsty dog; if thou drive him away, he hangs out his tongue; and if thou leave him, he hangs out his tongue. Such is the case of the people who disbelieve in Our Signs. So give them the description that they may ponder.
look at this verse God describe the situation of a thirsty Dog, in fact in arabic God describe the situation of the habit of the dog whether he is thirsty or not.The habit is hanging out his tongue. Recently discoveries said that Dog hangs out his tongue because he can't exhale the hot breaths easily from his abdomen so to cool it he hangs out his hangs despite all his eassays to cool his abdomen his body still reserves this heat of the hot breaths which makes parasites live in his skin an d his tongue.
And first at all, how do you read the Qur'an brother, that's what you understood from 7176? how do you read the Qur'an do you understand what this ayats it says, if you read like that the Qur'an i'm sure that the Qur'an it's not enought for you...
Well God, talked about dog in the Qur'an even that he offered us a story in Surat 18, so dont' you think that he would have told us that the dog it's unclean animal we should stay away from him as it's an important matter to be known about dogs if the angels aren't comming into a house where a dog is...don't you think?
We have mind to discover, well if we have mind to discover why we need the hadiths, and didn't Allah told us in the Qur'an that the Quran it's complet?You contradict yourself and contradict Allah...I'm not banning all the kind of dogs, the dog that was with those believers was a dog of hunting, and this kind of dogs are allowed in Islam.the hadith was clear that taking Dog for hunting is allowed, taking dog for guarding is allowed.But taking Dog just for enjoyment and pleasure is not allowed . there are people in the world in need of taking them instead of that you take dog. who is the best for you a dog or a child can't find a home or a food as you do?
See above . Dog of guarding and hunting and helping blind people are allowed . the hadith is clear abour what types of dogs, don't distorte it because you didn't understand it.
Not every people can have kids and you can't compare a dog with a kid, cause they dosen't have the same atributes..
So a lonely old man can't have a dog wich is helping him to pass away the lonelyness and guarding him, he can't have one cause the angles won't enter in his apartment...
And show where the hadiths tells us that we can use the dogs for helping blind and deef people...So, you see it must be stated in Qur'an other than is not valid , what a useless justifications. God gave man the ability to use his mind and he gave him the ability to add laws and succinctness, according to the times because there are changes. And And plus of that there is a job the so-called governor or judger and Omar bno Al Kahatab may God be pleased with him was a judger and he was so good in this Job. I said he judged his own son by lashing 80 times and because of that people told him that his son drunk. there are laws today aren't in the Qur'an.
Qur'an it's the complet book, as Allah stated... a religion of peace dosen't lash someone because he dosen't belive in that religion, you don't beat someone for drinking you try to help him peacefully as Islam it's a religion of peace...
they have saved life of some people doesn't mean that they are not dangerous, as I said before the Djinn consist the black dogs , so deal with ir or just don't.
Do you know first what kind of fire ? or at least how it was this fire of the creation of the Djinn? ..we are from clay which means the dust of earth, is that mean that plants can grow in my nose !!!! rotfl or maybe I'm from clay, they can make decor from my body.
what ? it wasn't and the hadiths show nothing about cruality , you're just confusing between the translation of the words which aren't the good translation neither they translated them with their meanings.
if you said so , some of guys like you said to me that there is violence in Qur'an, how do you consider it ? and yes there is so it's the will of God. the same in the hadiths what you consider cruality is in fact a mercy.I didn't say that there is violence in the Qur'an, there is violence and blaspemys in the hadiths...
So this dangerous creatures are saving lives, and what a bad djin can do to a man?
The human are more dangerous then the dogs, so we should start kill each other?
If a black dog come's to you on the street and want's to play with you, how do you procced?Salam.
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here in this verse God ordered to take what the prophet said or did . the order is " " in english take it ." " in english what he brought and what he did and what he said.
That verse is talking about the distribution of the booty of war, not about taking everything the prophet said as a rule.
It does not make any sense to quote part of the verse in order to "prove" that we have to follow ahadeeth.the majority of people have dogs have found in their bodies cancer " a strange types of cancer due to dogs"
I find that very hard to believe. Could you please provide proofs / a source for that statement? Thanks.
Qur'an is for prayers and hadiths is for deeds and morales not for prayers
Huh? ???
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Words from the prophet but the meaning from God? I'm not sure how that works. Can you explain that process and how it differs from words with their meaning from God? To me it sounds like you're saying his words are not his because God's meaning is in them.
the broke his commands for a good reasons and in fact they didn't break his commands they hid what they wrote
Hmm...broke his commands for good reasons? So these people knew better than the prophet than? They hid it for what? Did they hide it because these were not supposed to be shown? If they were not to be shown and they still had these sayings in their possession how does their release make it right when the prophet said not to do so?
Qur'an is for prayers and hadiths is for deeds and morales not for prayers
What do you mean and where did you get this from?
Quetions in the west others in the East. make your point clear.
The first question stands on it's own. Then the 3rd question is based on your answer to the 2nd question.
Joe
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You dosen't seem to think logical brother, the dogs are human beings and they can get ill as we can get ill, they can contact parasites as we can contact so if a man can contact SIDA or something else and can infect other people, that mean's that the people are unclean?
Of course a dog can get you ill if you don't take care of him, you can get ill if you can take care of yourself too..
And first at all, how do you read the Qur'an brother, that's what you understood from 7176? how do you read the Qur'an do you understand what this ayats it says, if you read like that the Qur'an i'm sure that the Qur'an it's not enought for you...
Well God, talked about dog in the Qur'an even that he offered us a story in Surat 18, so dont' you think that he would have told us that the dog it's unclean animal we should stay away from him as it's an important matter to be known about dogs if the angels aren't comming into a house where a dog is...don't you think?
We have mind to discover, well if we have mind to discover why we need the hadiths, and didn't Allah told us in the Qur'an that the Quran it's complet?You contradict yourself and contradict Allah...
Not every people can have kids and you can't compare a dog with a kid, cause they dosen't have the same atributes..
So a lonely old man can't have a dog wich is helping him to pass away the lonelyness and guarding him, he can't have one cause the angles won't enter in his apartment...
And show where the hadiths tells us that we can use the dogs for helping blind and deef people...
Qur'an it's the complet book, as Allah stated... a religion of peace dosen't lash someone because he dosen't belive in that religion, you don't beat someone for drinking you try to help him peacefully as Islam it's a religion of peace...
I didn't say that there is violence in the Qur'an, there is violence and blaspemys in the hadiths...
So this dangerous creatures are saving lives, and what a bad djin can do to a man?
The human are more dangerous then the dogs, so we should start kill each other?
If a black dog come's to you on the street and want's to play with you, how do you procced?
Salam.Salam alaykom,
first of all you did again asked the same question that you have asked before ...boring.
Second of all what type of angles that are not entering the house where dogs are ? do you know what types of angles? ..lack of information.
third of all I've explained the types of Dpgs that are allowed ... lack of reading my post.
and finally , the man that he will go to look for buying a Dof, he must first go to look for a homeless guy or boy.
the blind as you said need a dog, why people better advice him by looking for a trustful man or why he himself asked them to bring a man or a woman to be with him !!from my opinion they will break the obstcale of him being a blind man and the secong thing that they will fill his loneless and they be effective more than 100% according to dogs.
Ah one more thing you rejected the hadiths for emotionally issues, so your rejecting is without a point. -
Salam alaykom,
first of all you did again asked the same question that you have asked before ...boring.
Second of all what type of angles that are not entering the house where dogs are ? do you know what types of angles? ..lack of information.
third of all I've explained the types of Dpgs that are allowed ... lack of reading my post.
and finally , the man that he will go to look for buying a Dof, he must first go to look for a homeless guy or boy.
the blind as you said need a dog, why people better advice him by looking for a trustful man or why he himself asked them to bring a man or a woman to be with him !!from my opinion they will break the obstcale of him being a blind man and the secong thing that they will fill his loneless and they be effective more than 100% according to dogs.
Ah one more thing you rejected the hadiths for emotionally issues, so your rejecting is without a point.Wa aleikum salam,
You didn't answered to my questions and your explanations are week and not supported by the Qur'an, so you don't have arguments...
And by the way, do you think taking care of a dog it's like taking care of a homless boy?
Peace be upon you.
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First of all, I know Arabic so there's need for your holier-than-thou attitude.Salam Alaykom
You said I know arabic which means a superficial knowledge of the language of the "Dh'adh".Secondly, I am aware that some future events were revealed to the prophet Mohammed. I have some more verses here...
So they were made powerless to scale it or dig through it. said, ?This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true.? And on that Day , We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another, and the Trumpet will be blown
Then wait you for the Day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke, covering the people, this will be a painful torment
The hour will not be established till the sun rises from the West
At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations
BUT the hadiths also make out that he foretold events that weren't in the Quran ie not revealed to him by God. This is in contradiction to the verses I already gave.
Finally, in regards to all these 'shadings' you're talking about, the only 'shadings' are the ones that are covering your heart from understanding.
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided {1857}secondly, God have told his prophet some events aren't mentionned in Qur'an to make his message more strenght .
if you said that hadiths is not coming with some issues aren't existing in Qur'an, think again because I can cite plenty of them .
some of the prophecies of the prophet that are not mentionned in Qur'an are the Arab shephers and the competition of buildings the tall buildings "tower" and if you look for statistics in a website you'll find that they are competing in building tall buildings, ah and let me remind you that the Arab shepherds are the people of the area of khalij where now the tall buildings are designed and built, and now the governor of saoudi arabic want to build the most great tower in the world breaking the records of what Qatar did or UAE did.