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The plebian you mean. That being said why can't those who can distinguish put God's word in one book and the prophet's in another?Salam alaykom,
I've explained the difference of hadiths which are the words of the prophet and the Qur'an which is the words of God"Allah", the Qur'an is words and meanings " " from God, the hadiths are words from prophet but meanings from God " " ..So to avoid people from mixing between both of them the prophet stopped writing his words. I said he ordered to stop writing his sayings and it means that people wrote them and hide them probably.Who broke his command then?
well, the broke his commands for a good reasons and in fact they didn't break his commands they hid what they wrote and we are really thinkful to them, because whithout knowing the hadiths which are sayings and deeds from the prophet and from God at the same time, people will not know the morales and the compliments of the prophet neither they will know some interpretations of the Qur'an neither they will know how to act in prayers and how to pray in a good way, people will not know the zakat and how to perform it..the hadiths came to treat some of the issues of the "" the heritage which it was a mystery in Qur'an in how to divide it, let alone the "" recommendation and how to to use it and who is valid of taking it. A lot of things ..etc.
Can you explain the problem with mixing what God said with what the prophet said? Is that wrong? Does that mean that the prophet said what God did not tell him to say? If God told him to say it why should they not be mixed?
No, it's not wrong but Qur'an is for prayers and hadiths is for deeds and morales not for prayers , so mixing both of them is a disaster.
see above "where I stated the difference between Qur'an and hadiths"I still don't get the problem. If they expound on what God did not explain then why should they have not been written together? Are there still people today who cannot distinguish, if not than why did they disappear? If they still are here than why are there so many additions to the quran today?
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can you make your questions clear, because I really didn't understand anything ..
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make you laugh !!! really !!! well let's see how much do you can laugh about yourself !!!
first of all search about Toxocara disease ///briefly it's a disease transfered to human by dogs and it causes blindness for human .
Toxicara is caused by a roundworm parasite that can be transmitted in dog. The parasite burrows into the eyes causing tumors or detached retina and consequential blindness.there are other diseases but I'll not argue more about the subject because it is clear, Dogs by their nature not clean but not literally, I don't know how to explain to you the difference between unclean literally and emotionaly"meaningful".We said in arabic about Dogs that are " " .
You dosen't seem to think logical brother, the dogs are human beings and they can get ill as we can get ill, they can contact parasites as we can contact so if a man can contact SIDA or something else and can infect other people, that mean's that the people are unclean?
Of course a dog can get you ill if you don't take care of him, you can get ill if you can take care of yourself too..why God should mention Dogs too while he gave man mind to discover this issue by himself ? he gave you an example about pig, now it's your turn to see the other animals are they like pig or not .
In fact do you know that God talks about Dog in Qur'an? the situation of some people who they were following their desires, God decribed this situation of this people as a Dog's situation .And if We had pleased, We could have exalted him thereby; but he inclined to the earth and followed his evil inclination. His case therefore is like the case of a thirsty dog; if thou drive him away, he hangs out his tongue; and if thou leave him, he hangs out his tongue. Such is the case of the people who disbelieve in Our Signs. So give them the description that they may ponder.
look at this verse God describe the situation of a thirsty Dog, in fact in arabic God describe the situation of the habit of the dog whether he is thirsty or not.The habit is hanging out his tongue. Recently discoveries said that Dog hangs out his tongue because he can't exhale the hot breaths easily from his abdomen so to cool it he hangs out his hangs despite all his eassays to cool his abdomen his body still reserves this heat of the hot breaths which makes parasites live in his skin an d his tongue.
And first at all, how do you read the Qur'an brother, that's what you understood from 7176? how do you read the Qur'an do you understand what this ayats it says, if you read like that the Qur'an i'm sure that the Qur'an it's not enought for you...
Well God, talked about dog in the Qur'an even that he offered us a story in Surat 18, so dont' you think that he would have told us that the dog it's unclean animal we should stay away from him as it's an important matter to be known about dogs if the angels aren't comming into a house where a dog is...don't you think?
We have mind to discover, well if we have mind to discover why we need the hadiths, and didn't Allah told us in the Qur'an that the Quran it's complet?You contradict yourself and contradict Allah...I'm not banning all the kind of dogs, the dog that was with those believers was a dog of hunting, and this kind of dogs are allowed in Islam.the hadith was clear that taking Dog for hunting is allowed, taking dog for guarding is allowed.But taking Dog just for enjoyment and pleasure is not allowed . there are people in the world in need of taking them instead of that you take dog. who is the best for you a dog or a child can't find a home or a food as you do?
See above . Dog of guarding and hunting and helping blind people are allowed . the hadith is clear abour what types of dogs, don't distorte it because you didn't understand it.
Not every people can have kids and you can't compare a dog with a kid, cause they dosen't have the same atributes..
So a lonely old man can't have a dog wich is helping him to pass away the lonelyness and guarding him, he can't have one cause the angles won't enter in his apartment...
And show where the hadiths tells us that we can use the dogs for helping blind and deef people...So, you see it must be stated in Qur'an other than is not valid , what a useless justifications. God gave man the ability to use his mind and he gave him the ability to add laws and succinctness, according to the times because there are changes. And And plus of that there is a job the so-called governor or judger and Omar bno Al Kahatab may God be pleased with him was a judger and he was so good in this Job. I said he judged his own son by lashing 80 times and because of that people told him that his son drunk. there are laws today aren't in the Qur'an.
Qur'an it's the complet book, as Allah stated... a religion of peace dosen't lash someone because he dosen't belive in that religion, you don't beat someone for drinking you try to help him peacefully as Islam it's a religion of peace...
they have saved life of some people doesn't mean that they are not dangerous, as I said before the Djinn consist the black dogs , so deal with ir or just don't.
Do you know first what kind of fire ? or at least how it was this fire of the creation of the Djinn? ..we are from clay which means the dust of earth, is that mean that plants can grow in my nose !!!! rotfl or maybe I'm from clay, they can make decor from my body.
what ? it wasn't and the hadiths show nothing about cruality , you're just confusing between the translation of the words which aren't the good translation neither they translated them with their meanings.
if you said so , some of guys like you said to me that there is violence in Qur'an, how do you consider it ? and yes there is so it's the will of God. the same in the hadiths what you consider cruality is in fact a mercy.I didn't say that there is violence in the Qur'an, there is violence and blaspemys in the hadiths...
So this dangerous creatures are saving lives, and what a bad djin can do to a man?
The human are more dangerous then the dogs, so we should start kill each other?
If a black dog come's to you on the street and want's to play with you, how do you procced?Salam.
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here in this verse God ordered to take what the prophet said or did . the order is " " in english take it ." " in english what he brought and what he did and what he said.
That verse is talking about the distribution of the booty of war, not about taking everything the prophet said as a rule.
It does not make any sense to quote part of the verse in order to "prove" that we have to follow ahadeeth.the majority of people have dogs have found in their bodies cancer " a strange types of cancer due to dogs"
I find that very hard to believe. Could you please provide proofs / a source for that statement? Thanks.
Qur'an is for prayers and hadiths is for deeds and morales not for prayers
Huh? ???
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Words from the prophet but the meaning from God? I'm not sure how that works. Can you explain that process and how it differs from words with their meaning from God? To me it sounds like you're saying his words are not his because God's meaning is in them.
the broke his commands for a good reasons and in fact they didn't break his commands they hid what they wrote
Hmm...broke his commands for good reasons? So these people knew better than the prophet than? They hid it for what? Did they hide it because these were not supposed to be shown? If they were not to be shown and they still had these sayings in their possession how does their release make it right when the prophet said not to do so?
Qur'an is for prayers and hadiths is for deeds and morales not for prayers
What do you mean and where did you get this from?
Quetions in the west others in the East. make your point clear.
The first question stands on it's own. Then the 3rd question is based on your answer to the 2nd question.
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You dosen't seem to think logical brother, the dogs are human beings and they can get ill as we can get ill, they can contact parasites as we can contact so if a man can contact SIDA or something else and can infect other people, that mean's that the people are unclean?
Of course a dog can get you ill if you don't take care of him, you can get ill if you can take care of yourself too..
And first at all, how do you read the Qur'an brother, that's what you understood from 7176? how do you read the Qur'an do you understand what this ayats it says, if you read like that the Qur'an i'm sure that the Qur'an it's not enought for you...
Well God, talked about dog in the Qur'an even that he offered us a story in Surat 18, so dont' you think that he would have told us that the dog it's unclean animal we should stay away from him as it's an important matter to be known about dogs if the angels aren't comming into a house where a dog is...don't you think?
We have mind to discover, well if we have mind to discover why we need the hadiths, and didn't Allah told us in the Qur'an that the Quran it's complet?You contradict yourself and contradict Allah...
Not every people can have kids and you can't compare a dog with a kid, cause they dosen't have the same atributes..
So a lonely old man can't have a dog wich is helping him to pass away the lonelyness and guarding him, he can't have one cause the angles won't enter in his apartment...
And show where the hadiths tells us that we can use the dogs for helping blind and deef people...
Qur'an it's the complet book, as Allah stated... a religion of peace dosen't lash someone because he dosen't belive in that religion, you don't beat someone for drinking you try to help him peacefully as Islam it's a religion of peace...
I didn't say that there is violence in the Qur'an, there is violence and blaspemys in the hadiths...
So this dangerous creatures are saving lives, and what a bad djin can do to a man?
The human are more dangerous then the dogs, so we should start kill each other?
If a black dog come's to you on the street and want's to play with you, how do you procced?
Salam.Salam alaykom,
first of all you did again asked the same question that you have asked before ...boring.
Second of all what type of angles that are not entering the house where dogs are ? do you know what types of angles? ..lack of information.
third of all I've explained the types of Dpgs that are allowed ... lack of reading my post.
and finally , the man that he will go to look for buying a Dof, he must first go to look for a homeless guy or boy.
the blind as you said need a dog, why people better advice him by looking for a trustful man or why he himself asked them to bring a man or a woman to be with him !!from my opinion they will break the obstcale of him being a blind man and the secong thing that they will fill his loneless and they be effective more than 100% according to dogs.
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Salam alaykom,
first of all you did again asked the same question that you have asked before ...boring.
Second of all what type of angles that are not entering the house where dogs are ? do you know what types of angles? ..lack of information.
third of all I've explained the types of Dpgs that are allowed ... lack of reading my post.
and finally , the man that he will go to look for buying a Dof, he must first go to look for a homeless guy or boy.
the blind as you said need a dog, why people better advice him by looking for a trustful man or why he himself asked them to bring a man or a woman to be with him !!from my opinion they will break the obstcale of him being a blind man and the secong thing that they will fill his loneless and they be effective more than 100% according to dogs.
Ah one more thing you rejected the hadiths for emotionally issues, so your rejecting is without a point.Wa aleikum salam,
You didn't answered to my questions and your explanations are week and not supported by the Qur'an, so you don't have arguments...
And by the way, do you think taking care of a dog it's like taking care of a homless boy?
Peace be upon you.
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First of all, I know Arabic so there's need for your holier-than-thou attitude.Salam Alaykom
You said I know arabic which means a superficial knowledge of the language of the "Dh'adh".Secondly, I am aware that some future events were revealed to the prophet Mohammed. I have some more verses here...
So they were made powerless to scale it or dig through it. said, ?This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true.? And on that Day , We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another, and the Trumpet will be blown
Then wait you for the Day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke, covering the people, this will be a painful torment
The hour will not be established till the sun rises from the West
At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations
BUT the hadiths also make out that he foretold events that weren't in the Quran ie not revealed to him by God. This is in contradiction to the verses I already gave.
Finally, in regards to all these 'shadings' you're talking about, the only 'shadings' are the ones that are covering your heart from understanding.
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided {1857}secondly, God have told his prophet some events aren't mentionned in Qur'an to make his message more strenght .
if you said that hadiths is not coming with some issues aren't existing in Qur'an, think again because I can cite plenty of them .
some of the prophecies of the prophet that are not mentionned in Qur'an are the Arab shephers and the competition of buildings the tall buildings "tower" and if you look for statistics in a website you'll find that they are competing in building tall buildings, ah and let me remind you that the Arab shepherds are the people of the area of khalij where now the tall buildings are designed and built, and now the governor of saoudi arabic want to build the most great tower in the world breaking the records of what Qatar did or UAE did. -
Wa aleikum salam,
You didn't answered to my questions and your explanations are week and not supported by the Qur'an, so you don't have arguments...Salam alaykom
you asked the same Questions and I don't need arguments from Qur'an ...do you know first how we should use Qur'an?
sorry to ask this question and please I want an answer if you want " where do you come from" ?And by the way, do you think taking care of a dog it's like taking care of a homless boy?
Peace be upon you.No I don't know and I doubt someone knows except you.!!!
" "of course and sure that Dogs are not from " "
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Salam alaykom
you asked the same Questions and I don't need arguments from Qur'an ...do you know first how we should use Qur'an?
sorry to ask this question and please I want an answer if you want " where do you come from" ?
No I don't know and I doubt someone knows except you.!!!" "of course and sure that Dogs are not from " "
You didn't asked to my questions from the begining, you conviced me about your unargumentated position..
I'm from Romania.Brother don't try to change the Qur'an, let the Qur'an change you...
Peace be upon you.
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secondly, God have told his prophet some events aren't mentionned in Qur'an to make his message more strenght .
The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".
May I ask how you came to that conclusion?
if you said that hadiths is not coming with some issues aren't existing in Qur'an, think again because I can cite plenty of them .
Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.
Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.
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That verse is talking about the distribution of the booty of war, not about taking everything the prophet said as a rule.
It does not make any sense to quote part of the verse in order to "prove" that we have to follow ahadeeth.what do you know about the verse other than it is talking about what you stated ?
I find that very hard to believe. Could you please provide proofs / a source for that statement? Thanks.
I knew this information from a research in Eastern countries who they most likely take dogs as a members of the familly A recent publication in Norway reported on a high frequency (53.3%) of breast carcinomas in 14,401 investigated dogs. Which transmissible factor or factors come into question? Variants of the mouse mammary tumor virus (MMTV) can productively replicate in human cells and in different animals, including dogs. Many investigators, but not all, could identify MMTV-like sequences in sporadic human breast cancer. MMTV or MMTV-like sequences have not been investigated in canine breast carcinomas until now. It is also conceivable that other microbes from the dog, for example bacteria, could participate in the first steps of carcinogenesis in human. It was recently shown that bartonella species promote vascularization and prevent apoptosis of infected cells with the same methods as helicobacter pylori. Our considerations require further research. Epidemiologic cohort studies and identification of potential carcinogenic microbial factors will prove or disprove our hypothesis that risk factors from dogs could contribute to the carcinogenesis of human breast cancer.
I've forgot the right link and the real source but be sure he is not my research neither my domaine, to conclude what I've read from the research that dogs and human have the same cancer but the human is not contagious while dogs is contagious and it can transferred to human and cause breast cancer.
Huh? ???
Sorry, I don't understand this statement at all. Could you please clarify?the Qur'an doesn't involve in details , what makes the things that came in Qur'an detailed is the hadiths.plus the Qur'an is for prayer, we need to use Qur'an in prayers, so we know that Qur'an is for prayers because of hadiths let alone that in hadith explain a lot of things about how to perform what came in the Qur'an in a good way.
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The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".May I ask how you came to that conclusion?
Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.
Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.
Salam,
Don't bother sister because as you may see he ignored everyone's questions...
Peace be upon you
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what do you know about the verse other than it is talking about what you stated ?
Sorry, but I don't understand this question.
I've forgot the right link and the real source but be sure he is not my research neither my domaine, to conclude what I've read from the research that dogs and human have the same cancer but the human is not contagious while dogs is contagious and it can transferred to human and cause breast cancer.
OK, thanks. I will check this out myself. http//www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/a014.gif
the Qur'an doesn't involve in details
what makes the things that came in Qur'an detailed is the hadiths
The Qur'an is sufficient. We don't need all the "details" from ahadeeth.
God says the Qur'an is detailled enough, you say it is not. Who do you think I should believe?
The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
A scripture whose verses provide the complete details, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know.
... This (Qur'an) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
We have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples ...
We have cited in this Quran every kind of example ...
We have cited for the people every kind of example in this Quran
And is it not enough for them that We have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them?
... We have not neglected anything in the Book
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Words from the prophet but the meaning from God? I'm not sure how that works. Can you explain that process and how it differs from words with their meaning from God? To me it sounds like you're saying his words are not his because God's meaning is in them.Sorry , I can't more explain because I feel that english is a poor language of meanings, I tried hard to give you the right meanings but yet you're still asking !! I don't know if it is your problem or mine !! but I'm sure I've gave the words in arabic try to see what I mean by them in english, I doubt you'll find a good explanations.
here the words again " " " "
Hmm...broke his commands for good reasons? So these people knew better than the prophet than?
the prophet peace be upon him has always consulted his companions in some issues to take their opinions is that means that they knew better than him..!!!! hmm
there were jewish and christian living in madina, so the companions were always watching their backs, any mistakes from them and these people could ruin their faith.They hid it for what? Did they hide it because these were not supposed to be shown? If they were not to be shown and they still had these sayings in their possession how does their release make it right when the prophet said not to do so?
when the prophet ordered them to stop writing his sayings that because the ennemies of Islam were living with them, so mixing between the hadiths and the Qur'an can come from this kind of ennemies of Islam and they might spread it and making confusion in the muslims world.So to avoid this he stopped evryone from writing his sayings because the inspiration of a verse from Qur'an followed later by the cause of the shadings and the interpretations from the prophet.so he oredered just to right the inspiration and leave the interpretion and the cause because these things can be memorized easily and the prophet can always remembered them about these things.
ah one more thing I know a companion he doesn't stop writing the sayings of the prophet and the prophet didn't say anything to him.What do you mean and where did you get this from?
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The first question stands on it's own. Then the 3rd question is based on your answer to the 2nd question.
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I didn't understand your questions..they are in a false orders .
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You didn't asked to my questions from the begining, you conviced me about your unargumentated position..
I'm from Romania.
Brother don't try to change the Qur'an, let the Qur'an change you...
Peace be upon you.I'm not changing the Qur'an , what you can't understand is that hadiths came to interpret what came in Qur'an ..the end of the story.
PLus without having at least a knowledge of arabic let alone the knowledge of al fiQh, makes you arguing from a position of weakness .
Anyways do what ever you want, I just want to make a point, rejecting what I said it's your choice .
think again brother.
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what you can't understand is that hadiths came to interpret what came in Qur'an
That is your opinion, but you can't prove it, and it is contrary to what the Qur'an itself says.
PLus without having at least a knowledge of arabic let alone the knowledge of al fiQh, makes you arguing from a position of weakness .
Why is it that native Arabic speakers so often resort to this if they run out of arguments? ) I don't know how many times I have read that in discussions ... if a person does not speak Arabic fluently, he / she is supposedly not capable of understanding the Qur'an or anything relating to Islam.
That is nonsense. Plus, if you read the discussions on here, it becomes obvious that there are many people with an excellent knowledge of Arabic around.
Also, there are countless scholars out there who not only have excellent knowledge of Arabic but have also studied ahadeeth, fiqh, Islamic history and other related sciences for years or decades -- yet their interpretations are in contradiction to the Qur'an. That just goes to show that knowledge of those things is of no use if you are lacking in wisdom, spirituality, a sense of justice, education, and many other things.
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The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".May I ask how you came to that conclusion?
I came to that conclusion because of hundred of verses
1- in this verse the speaker is the prophet but it's in Qur'an
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here God talekd by the tongue of the prophet as an Interlocutor .
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in this verse God ordered us to obey him and obey the prophet and obey those who are in authority among us.Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.
the reason that God didn't mention these things is that he let them to the prophet to mention them.is that hard to understand?
how do you know that mentionning these issues was not necessary?Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.
Btw , try to be more patient. elektro
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The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".May I ask how you came to that conclusion?
I came to that conclusion because of hundred of verses
1- in this verse the speaker is the prophet but it's in Qur'an
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{ (31) (32)}
here God talekd by the tongue of the prophet as an Interlocutor .
{ (59)}
in this verse God ordered us to obey him and obey the prophet and obey those who are in authority among us.Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.
the reason that God didn't mention these things is that he let them to the prophet to mention them.is that hard to understand?
how do you know that mentionning these issues was not necessary?Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.
Btw , try to be more patient. elektro
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Sorry, but I don't understand this question.
don't bother yourself, I think we're arguing from a point where no one of us will conider the words of the other.
so to conclude ( do whatever you want and keep following what your brain tells you) and I'll do the same thing but of course I'm not following what my brain tells me because there are some things beyond my mind, that's what you can't see!!!.... We have not neglected anything in the Book
Yet you can't undrerstand the book ) ..and about the verses that you have chose they are our of their context.
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1- in this verse the speaker is the prophet but it's in Qur'an
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{ (31) (32)}
here God talekd by the tongue of the prophet as an Interlocutor .
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in this verse God ordered us to obey him and obey the prophet and obey those who are in authority among us.I suggest you read some of the articles on the starting page which address this issue. There really is not much to add.
http//www.free-minds.org/obeygod
http//www.free-minds.org/obey
http//www.free-minds.org/obeygod2
the reason that God didn't mention these things is that he let them to the prophet to mention them.is that hard to understand?
I would really appreciate it if you could refrain from using a condescending tone. It has nothing to do with "understanding", it's a matter of differing opinions.