How I became a Submitter Wife

Thereformer1

Peace
First of all, I know Arabic so there's need for your holier-than-thou attitude.

Salam Alaykom
You said I know arabic which means a superficial knowledge of the language of the "Dh'adh".

Secondly, I am aware that some future events were revealed to the prophet Mohammed. I have some more verses here...
So they were made powerless to scale it or dig through it. said, ?This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true.? And on that Day , We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another, and the Trumpet will be blown
Then wait you for the Day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke, covering the people, this will be a painful torment
The hour will not be established till the sun rises from the West
At the right time, we will produce for them a creature, made of earthly materials, declaring that the people are not certain about our revelations
BUT the hadiths also make out that he foretold events that weren't in the Quran ie not revealed to him by God. This is in contradiction to the verses I already gave.
Finally, in regards to all these 'shadings' you're talking about, the only 'shadings' are the ones that are covering your heart from understanding.
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations but he turned away from them, and he forgot what his hands had done. We have made veils upon their hearts from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you invite them to the guidance, they will never be guided {1857}

secondly, God have told his prophet some events aren't mentionned in Qur'an to make his message more strenght .
if you said that hadiths is not coming with some issues aren't existing in Qur'an, think again because I can cite plenty of them .
some of the prophecies of the prophet that are not mentionned in Qur'an are the Arab shephers and the competition of buildings the tall buildings "tower" and if you look for statistics in a website you'll find that they are competing in building tall buildings, ah and let me remind you that the Arab shepherds are the people of the area of khalij where now the tall buildings are designed and built, and now the governor of saoudi arabic want to build the most great tower in the world breaking the records of what Qatar did or UAE did.

Thereformer1

Wa aleikum salam,
You didn't answered to my questions and your explanations are week and not supported by the Qur'an, so you don't have arguments...

Salam alaykom
you asked the same Questions and I don't need arguments from Qur'an ...do you know first how we should use Qur'an?
sorry to ask this question and please I want an answer if you want " where do you come from" ?

And by the way, do you think taking care of a dog it's like taking care of a homless boy?
Peace be upon you.

No I don't know and I doubt someone knows except you.!!!

" "of course and sure that Dogs are not from " "

Andreevici

Salam alaykom
you asked the same Questions and I don't need arguments from Qur'an ...do you know first how we should use Qur'an?
sorry to ask this question and please I want an answer if you want " where do you come from" ?
No I don't know and I doubt someone knows except you.!!!

" "of course and sure that Dogs are not from " "

You didn't asked to my questions from the begining, you conviced me about your unargumentated position..
I'm from Romania.

Brother don't try to change the Qur'an, let the Qur'an change you...

Peace be upon you.

Leyna

Salam

secondly, God have told his prophet some events aren't mentionned in Qur'an to make his message more strenght .

The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".

May I ask how you came to that conclusion?

if you said that hadiths is not coming with some issues aren't existing in Qur'an, think again because I can cite plenty of them .

Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.

Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.

Thereformer1

That verse is talking about the distribution of the booty of war, not about taking everything the prophet said as a rule.
It does not make any sense to quote part of the verse in order to "prove" that we have to follow ahadeeth.

what do you know about the verse other than it is talking about what you stated ?

I find that very hard to believe. Could you please provide proofs / a source for that statement? Thanks.

I knew this information from a research in Eastern countries who they most likely take dogs as a members of the familly A recent publication in Norway reported on a high frequency (53.3%) of breast carcinomas in 14,401 investigated dogs. Which transmissible factor or factors come into question? Variants of the mouse mammary tumor virus (MMTV) can productively replicate in human cells and in different animals, including dogs. Many investigators, but not all, could identify MMTV-like sequences in sporadic human breast cancer. MMTV or MMTV-like sequences have not been investigated in canine breast carcinomas until now. It is also conceivable that other microbes from the dog, for example bacteria, could participate in the first steps of carcinogenesis in human. It was recently shown that bartonella species promote vascularization and prevent apoptosis of infected cells with the same methods as helicobacter pylori. Our considerations require further research. Epidemiologic cohort studies and identification of potential carcinogenic microbial factors will prove or disprove our hypothesis that risk factors from dogs could contribute to the carcinogenesis of human breast cancer.

I've forgot the right link and the real source but be sure he is not my research neither my domaine, to conclude what I've read from the research that dogs and human have the same cancer but the human is not contagious while dogs is contagious and it can transferred to human and cause breast cancer.

Huh? ???
Sorry, I don't understand this statement at all. Could you please clarify?

the Qur'an doesn't involve in details , what makes the things that came in Qur'an detailed is the hadiths.plus the Qur'an is for prayer, we need to use Qur'an in prayers, so we know that Qur'an is for prayers because of hadiths let alone that in hadith explain a lot of things about how to perform what came in the Qur'an in a good way.

Andreevici

Salam
The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".

May I ask how you came to that conclusion?

Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.

Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.

Salam,

Don't bother sister because as you may see he ignored everyone's questions...

Peace be upon you

Leyna

what do you know about the verse other than it is talking about what you stated ?

Sorry, but I don't understand this question.

I've forgot the right link and the real source but be sure he is not my research neither my domaine, to conclude what I've read from the research that dogs and human have the same cancer but the human is not contagious while dogs is contagious and it can transferred to human and cause breast cancer.

OK, thanks. I will check this out myself. http//www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/verschiedene/a014.gif

the Qur'an doesn't involve in details

what makes the things that came in Qur'an detailed is the hadiths

The Qur'an is sufficient. We don't need all the "details" from ahadeeth.

God says the Qur'an is detailled enough, you say it is not. Who do you think I should believe?

The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

A scripture whose verses provide the complete details, in an Arabic Quran, for people who know.

... This (Qur'an) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

We have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples ...

We have cited in this Quran every kind of example ...

We have cited for the people every kind of example in this Quran

And is it not enough for them that We have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them?

... We have not neglected anything in the Book

Thereformer1

Peace
Words from the prophet but the meaning from God? I'm not sure how that works. Can you explain that process and how it differs from words with their meaning from God? To me it sounds like you're saying his words are not his because God's meaning is in them.

Sorry , I can't more explain because I feel that english is a poor language of meanings, I tried hard to give you the right meanings but yet you're still asking !! I don't know if it is your problem or mine !! but I'm sure I've gave the words in arabic try to see what I mean by them in english, I doubt you'll find a good explanations.

here the words again " " " "

Hmm...broke his commands for good reasons? So these people knew better than the prophet than?

the prophet peace be upon him has always consulted his companions in some issues to take their opinions is that means that they knew better than him..!!!! hmm
there were jewish and christian living in madina, so the companions were always watching their backs, any mistakes from them and these people could ruin their faith.

They hid it for what? Did they hide it because these were not supposed to be shown? If they were not to be shown and they still had these sayings in their possession how does their release make it right when the prophet said not to do so?

when the prophet ordered them to stop writing his sayings that because the ennemies of Islam were living with them, so mixing between the hadiths and the Qur'an can come from this kind of ennemies of Islam and they might spread it and making confusion in the muslims world.So to avoid this he stopped evryone from writing his sayings because the inspiration of a verse from Qur'an followed later by the cause of the shadings and the interpretations from the prophet.so he oredered just to right the inspiration and leave the interpretion and the cause because these things can be memorized easily and the prophet can always remembered them about these things.
ah one more thing I know a companion he doesn't stop writing the sayings of the prophet and the prophet didn't say anything to him.

What do you mean and where did you get this from?

from studying

The first question stands on it's own. Then the 3rd question is based on your answer to the 2nd question.

Joe

I didn't understand your questions..they are in a false orders .

Thereformer1

You didn't asked to my questions from the begining, you conviced me about your unargumentated position..
I'm from Romania.
Brother don't try to change the Qur'an, let the Qur'an change you...
Peace be upon you.

I'm not changing the Qur'an , what you can't understand is that hadiths came to interpret what came in Qur'an ..the end of the story.

PLus without having at least a knowledge of arabic let alone the knowledge of al fiQh, makes you arguing from a position of weakness .

Anyways do what ever you want, I just want to make a point, rejecting what I said it's your choice .
think again brother.
asalam alaykom.

Leyna

peace

what you can't understand is that hadiths came to interpret what came in Qur'an

That is your opinion, but you can't prove it, and it is contrary to what the Qur'an itself says.

PLus without having at least a knowledge of arabic let alone the knowledge of al fiQh, makes you arguing from a position of weakness .

Why is it that native Arabic speakers so often resort to this if they run out of arguments? ) I don't know how many times I have read that in discussions ... if a person does not speak Arabic fluently, he / she is supposedly not capable of understanding the Qur'an or anything relating to Islam.

That is nonsense. Plus, if you read the discussions on here, it becomes obvious that there are many people with an excellent knowledge of Arabic around.

Also, there are countless scholars out there who not only have excellent knowledge of Arabic but have also studied ahadeeth, fiqh, Islamic history and other related sciences for years or decades -- yet their interpretations are in contradiction to the Qur'an. That just goes to show that knowledge of those things is of no use if you are lacking in wisdom, spirituality, a sense of justice, education, and many other things.

Thereformer1

Salam
The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".

May I ask how you came to that conclusion?

I came to that conclusion because of hundred of verses

1- in this verse the speaker is the prophet but it's in Qur'an

(3)

{ (31) (32)}

here God talekd by the tongue of the prophet as an Interlocutor .

{ (59)}
in this verse God ordered us to obey him and obey the prophet and obey those who are in authority among us.

Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.

the reason that God didn't mention these things is that he let them to the prophet to mention them.is that hard to understand?
how do you know that mentionning these issues was not necessary?

Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.

Btw , try to be more patient. elektro

Thereformer1

Salam
The Qur'an itself mentions in many verses that it detailled, perfect, complete and so on. Yet here you are saying it is not and needs additional information to make it "stronger".

May I ask how you came to that conclusion?

I came to that conclusion because of hundred of verses

1- in this verse the speaker is the prophet but it's in Qur'an

(3)

{ (31) (32)}

here God talekd by the tongue of the prophet as an Interlocutor .

{ (59)}
in this verse God ordered us to obey him and obey the prophet and obey those who are in authority among us.

Of course, and that is exactly the point. If there were things that God did not specify in the Qur'an, there must be a reason for it, i.e., that a detailled explanation of some issues simply was not necessary.

the reason that God didn't mention these things is that he let them to the prophet to mention them.is that hard to understand?
how do you know that mentionning these issues was not necessary?

Btw, you ignored all of my questions in this thread. I would appreciate it if you could take the time to reply. Thanks.

Btw , try to be more patient. elektro

Thereformer1

Sorry, but I don't understand this question.

don't bother yourself, I think we're arguing from a point where no one of us will conider the words of the other.
so to conclude ( do whatever you want and keep following what your brain tells you) and I'll do the same thing but of course I'm not following what my brain tells me because there are some things beyond my mind, that's what you can't see!!!.

... We have not neglected anything in the Book

Yet you can't undrerstand the book ) ..and about the verses that you have chose they are our of their context.

Leyna

1- in this verse the speaker is the prophet but it's in Qur'an

(3)

{ (31) (32)}

here God talekd by the tongue of the prophet as an Interlocutor .

{ (59)}
in this verse God ordered us to obey him and obey the prophet and obey those who are in authority among us.

I suggest you read some of the articles on the starting page which address this issue. There really is not much to add.

http//www.free-minds.org/obeygod

http//www.free-minds.org/obey

http//www.free-minds.org/obeygod2

the reason that God didn't mention these things is that he let them to the prophet to mention them.is that hard to understand?

I would really appreciate it if you could refrain from using a condescending tone. It has nothing to do with "understanding", it's a matter of differing opinions.

Thereformer1

Salam,

Don't bother sister because as you may see he ignored everyone's questions...

Peace be upon you

Salam Alaykom,

As I see you did the same thing ... So don't advice someone while you can't hold the advice yourself.

Thereformer1

Why is it that native Arabic speakers so often resort to this if they run out of arguments? )

No, it's not running away from answer you, Everyone from native arabic speaker find english a poor language because of the lack of the meanings plus the limits of derivation let alone the context of the sentence in english requires a specific orders limits the enlarge of the meanings .

the language arabic differs totaly from any other language in the world, we have the so-called the science of the language wgich is involved specific skills in arabic and the deviation of meanings differ in a word not a whole sentence . I can make "" in more than 365 words .

Thereformer1

I suggest you read some of the articles on the starting page which address this issue. There really is not much to add.

thank you for your suggestion, but I take my lessons from scientists of Qur'an and Sunnah.

I would really appreciate it if you could refrain from using a condescending tone. It has nothing to do with "understanding", it's a matter of differing opinions.

ah sorry if you consider my post a condescending tone .

nsws1988

Peace all

You said I know arabic which means a superficial knowledge of the language of the "Dh'adh".

First you attack people claiming they don't know anything because they don't know anything and then when someone says that they do know Arabic you claim that it is not good enough? Well, I've already given you the verses showing that God explains the Quran. By the way, you need to learn Arabic because it is Salamun 'alaykum not
Salam Alaykom

secondly, God have told his prophet some events aren't mentionned in Qur'an to make his message more strenght .

ok that doesn't even make sense so stop making stuff up. Read 693, 1815, 2968 and 3932.

if you said that hadiths is not coming with some issues aren't existing in Qur'an, think again because I can cite plenty of them .

Site what exactly? I've given you Quranic verses ie God's words that state that we can't follow the hadiths and that the messenger was not allowed to even say any of them. Do you have stronger proof?

some of the prophecies of the prophet that are not mentionned in Qur'an are the Arab shephers and the competition of buildings the tall buildings "tower" and if you look for statistics in a website you'll find that they are competing in building tall buildings, ah and let me remind you that the Arab shepherds are the people of the area of khalij where now the tall buildings are designed and built, and now the governor of saoudi arabic want to build the most great tower in the world breaking the records of what Qatar did or UAE did.

Yeah because they didn't have tall buildings then )

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http//asheyan.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/petra02.jpg
http//www.dialbforblog.com/archives/181/artemis_templex.jpg
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By the way, did you completely ignore the verses I gave you earlier? Because you keep repeating that the Quran is not detailed even though I gave you verses that say that the Quran is perfect, complete and detailed.

... Who is more wicked than one who denies God's revelations and turns away from them? We will punish those who turn away from Our revelations with the pain of retribution for what they turned away {6157}

Thereformer1

Peace all
First you attack people claiming they don't know anything because they don't know anything and then when someone says that they do know Arabic you claim that it is not good enough? Well, I've already given you the verses showing that God explains the Quran. By the way, you need to learn Arabic because it is Salamun 'alaykum not
ok that doesn't even make sense so stop making stuff up. Read 693, 1815, 2968 and 3932.

Salam Alaykom,

Hey sister don't challenge me(this is an advice) .
about what you said in "salamun'alaykum" adding the "un" like you want to give it a movement, well I don't need to add the "un" because after all is not arabic the real word is " " .
and about the verses that you gave me about that the Qur'an have already detailed is not literally, yes you're right Qur'an is detailed but not as you think .
you don't know where the Qur'an is detailed . the word"" means detailed in english but detailed in what, here they have to add detailed in provision which is in arabic " ".

Site what exactly? I've given you Quranic verses ie God's words that state that we can't follow the hadiths and that the messenger was not allowed to even say any of them. Do you have stronger proof?

ah I forgot that you gave me verses out of their context tempt

Yeah because they didn't have tall buildings then

firs of all I've said Arabs shepherds >>>> the pictures are hundreds years ago before even the message of Islam.PLus no relation between the picture in the arab shepherds.
Second of all >>>> these buildings as you claimed that they are tall, their high is limiting in less than 400 m>>> the buildings in the hadiths talks about tall ones which they are now reaching more than 1000 m ..wake up.

By the way, did you completely ignore the verses I gave you earlier? Because you keep repeating that the Quran is not detailed even though I gave you verses that say that the Quran is perfect, complete and detailed.

I didn't ignore them but I ignore answer you about them, because you don't know what's the meanings of detailed.
the meanings are
complete in verses and detailed in provision . I want you to understand, I'm not trying to defeat you!!
complete in verses and detailed in provision.

... Who is more wicked than one who denies God's revelations and turns away from them? We will punish those who turn away from Our revelations with the pain of retribution for what they turned away {6157}

well, again the verse is out of its context, I'm not denying the God's words, in adition to this the verses talks about a specific people . nope

nsws1988

I don't understand your English so I have no idea what you're trying to say about the shepherds.. not that it matters anyway.

I don't know what you're trying to say about the problem with saying salamun 'alaykum. You might want to refer to the Quran and see how it is written there. I'm pretty sure God knows better Arabic then you.

Let me write a conclusion for you

If you don't know Arabic, then you can't understand the Quran
If you do know Arabic then you only have a superficial knowledge of it
Therefore no one understand the Quran except for me for I am holier than thou
The verses from the Quran don't matter anymore because they are always out of context
blah blah blah blah blah