What GOD wants us to do
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Salam alaykom ,
I just want to show a point Abdun that you're wrong about the does someone bron Muslim ? In fact Yes all the people in the world born Muslims, but according to the parents religion jewish or christians or whatver made the childs devaite from the true instinct which is Islam (the prophet peace be upon him said " " that's mean that we born at the beginning Muslims and our fathers changed it and the environment changed it .All people born in "Submission To God" state, and then their parents / environment makes them Muhammedans, Sunniism, Shiaism, Christianism, Judaism etc..
and about what God wants from us is shows that the person who wrote this Thread his knowledge about Islam is a little bit superficial , because God is uneed of anything, but he care if we worship him which makes it a purpose of the existence not what he wants ...so to change the title of the thread is worshiipping God is the purpose of the existence justifying what I say by this Surat from Qur'an " ", which means in english that God or Allah created us for worshipping him "as a purpose of the existence".
1.The surat should be translated as "God created Djinn and Humankind to SERVE Him" and not WORSHIP.
2. God always got what He wanted, thus all humankind whether they realize it or not DOES serve Him.
3. But.. there are GOOD Servant and BAD Servant and each one of them will get what they deserves.God doesn't requires us to WORSHIP Him, He devised a set of rules which no one can break that EVERYBODY WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVES.
Or in other words 'YOU'LL REAP WHAT YOU SOW".. "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" and in the eastern cultures / philosophy this is known as KARMIC LAW.Salam / Peace
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All people born in "Submission To God" state, and then their parents / environment makes them Muhammedans, Sunniism, Shiaism, Christianism, Judaism etc..
Yes, that's what I said and I've added if you read my reply that this submition of God is the instinct of Islam.
1.The surat should be translated as "God created Djinn and Humankind to SERVE Him" and not WORSHIP.
2. God always got what He wanted, thus all humankind whether they realize it or not DOES serve Him.
3. But.. there are GOOD Servant and BAD Servant and each one of them will get what they deserves.God doesn't requires us to WORSHIP Him, He devised a set of rules which no one can break that EVERYBODY WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVES.
Or in other words 'YOU'LL REAP WHAT YOU SOW".. "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" and in the eastern cultures / philosophy this is known as KARMIC LAW.Salam / Peace
the only problem that I can state about the guys here is the understanding of the meanings of the words in arabic, it shows that they don't know the real meanings of a word in arabic .
about what should or shouldn't about the translation is the presence of the meanings, and sorry to say that you're wrong the word worship is the good translation of what came in the verse "aya" .
we say in arabic " " which means in english " this person is a servent " or in other description " this person is a black man" or "this person is a slave" you see that I didn't say that this person is a worshipper; " " which means in english " this person is worshipping Allah"God" " you see here that I can't say that this person is serving allah because it'll be not the right meaning of "" in the sentence .and when God said in Qur'an that he created the Djinn and the humankind for " worshipping" not "serving" because we can't serve by anyway neither in our hand to serve him but if you want to take it as a metaphore that we serve God by worshipping . The only creatures that serve God are the Angels .
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Yes, that's what I said and I've added if you read my reply that this submition of God is the instinct of Islam.
the only problem that I can state about the guys here is the understanding of the meanings of the words in arabic, it shows that they don't know the real meanings of a word in arabic .
about what should or shouldn't about the translation is the presence of the meanings, and sorry to say that you're wrong the word worship is the good translation of what came in the verse "aya" .
we say in arabic " " which means in english " this person is a servent " or in other description " this person is a black man" or "this person is a slave" you see that I didn't say that this person is a worshipper; " " which means in english " this person is worshipping Allah"God" " you see here that I can't say that this person is serving allah because it'll be not the right meaning of "" in the sentence .and when God said in Qur'an that he created the Djinn and the humankind for " worshipping" not "serving" because we can't serve by anyway neither in our hand to serve him but if you want to take it as a metaphore that we serve God by worshipping . The only creatures that serve God are the Angels .
I disagree...
The notion of "WORSHIP" within current English context carries obligation of doing a "RITUAL" act.
The notion of "SERVE" within current English context (Arabic root Abd) carries "Performing duty" which still "Within control or power / acting upon the will of those being served / acting as the master".All beings and matters including Dinosaur, Sapiens (human) or Djinns and Aliens (if there's any) SERVE God.. this is a definitive declaration found in the Koran and also based on fact since God is within control of everything, and there are no single event shall happens in non-accordance to His will.
Metaphorically there are many sentences in Koran which says all of the mountain, stars, sky/heaven bowed to God.
He's in control of everything and everything serve Him.
Whether they like it or not or whether they realize it or not.The common problems found in today sectarian communities (e.g. Sunniism, Shiaism, Muhammed Worshiper, Muhammad's companion worshiper, Jesus Worshiper, Race / Nation Worshiper (e.g. Zionism, Pan Arab Nationalism) etc..) is they're focusing on WORSHIPING rather than GOOD ACT, they're focusing more on RITUAL ACT rather than doing GOOD things or GOOD behavior.
But the law said Everyone shall get what they deserves... GOOD or BAD..
I think Jesus said it best "Shabbat are for men not men for shabbat"
On criticizing the too much focus on rites yet forgetting about the good deeds which should be the main focus as performed by prominent Judaism Clerics during his time...
"The tree which doesn't bear good fruit shall be cut down and thrown into the fire"
In today's scientific community this is called "Natural Selection" although it should be called "God's Selection" instead..Salam / Peace
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I disagree...
The notion of "WORSHIP" within current English context carries obligation of doing a "RITUAL" act.
The notion of "SERVE" within current English context (Arabic root Abd) carries "Performing duty" which still "Within control or power / acting upon the will of those being served / acting as the master".All beings and matters including Dinosaur, Sapiens (human) or Djinns and Aliens (if there's any) SERVE God.. this is a definitive declaration found in the Koran and also based on fact since God is within control of everything, and there are no single event shall happens in non-accordance to His will.
Metaphorically there are many sentences in Koran which says all of the mountain, stars, sky/heaven bowed to God.
He's in control of everything and everything serve Him.
Whether they like it or not or whether they realize it or not.The common problems found in today sectarian communities (e.g. Sunniism, Shiaism, Muhammed Worshiper, Muhammad's companion worshiper, Jesus Worshiper, Race / Nation Worshiper (e.g. Zionism, Pan Arab Nationalism) etc..) is they're focusing on WORSHIPING rather than GOOD ACT, they're focusing more on RITUAL ACT rather than doing GOOD things or GOOD behavior.
But the law said Everyone shall get what they deserves... GOOD or BAD..
I think Jesus said it best "Shabbat are for men not men for shabbat"
On criticizing the too much focus on rites yet forgetting about the good deeds which should be the main focus as performed by prominent Judaism Clerics during his time...
"The tree which doesn't bear good fruit shall be cut down and thrown into the fire"
In today's scientific community this is called "Natural Selection" although it should be called "God's Selection" instead..Salam / Peace
salam alaykom;
first of all, I have to tell you that your signature is an insult to the arabs community, so care to delete it ? or people will take it a racist statement about arabs from you "including me" .second of all, I'm trying to show you that serve is not the right word, because Allah not needs someone for serving him.In addition to this that we can't serve him, instead of that we serve him by worshipping and glorifying him, and in this case it's needless for him "you" worshipping but he cares if you do so. how you can serve God "Allah" ?
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I understand entirely. Visualise the universe in this manner; everything is pure vibration and "awareness", waves of potential possibility interact with each other and the resultant wave is the best of those possibilities, chosen in an intricate manner according to the divine proportion. This is the quantum mechanical manner in which the universe operates. We as humans are essentially powerful beings because we can very heavily alter these waves of possibility within the universe. Now it obviously goes to follow that if a certain result is to be obtained, then everything must correspond to a certain tune, the divine melody. This is the essence of "salat" in the quran, your connection to God. Salat is essentially meditation of a certain form whereby you realign your energies with those of what God wishes for you. If you correspond to the divine melody then you resonate with the divine melody and your actions are indistinguishable from those of pure perfection and peace. This is essentially moving in a state of complete flow and sync with time and in every way, your bodily movements and your thoughts. When you attain this flow state, and everyone does every so often, you feel a sensation of dissolving into unity with the universe.
Helping your fellow man out keeps the peace and allows them to make righteous decisions which will then allow other people to then make righteous decisions and the cycle continues. Because of the chaotic nature of this universe your negative energy will get amplified in the sea of chaos and likewise, your positive energy also shall.
However, positive energy of any form is far more powerful than the negative energy because the negative energy results in chaos taking precedence and it is then subject to the standard rules of entropy. However the positive energy contributed results in a certain order being imposed on reality and with time this amplifies itself resulting in negative entropy. In essence, peace results in more peace and everything that produces the shape of a peaceful energy will live on. Yet unpeace results in chaos and all those energies are then destroyed in an entropic manner.
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Is the reward of goodness aught but goodness?The rules of the new universe at each instant of time are decided by the unfolding of past events. This is a strikingly interesting facet of reality for many reasons for which I don't have the time to delve into at the moment. Everything I have stated here is somewhat abstract and it is far beyond the realm of human comprehension to be able to see and understand the waves of possibility within the universe fully, the rules of this game we play say that players are not allowed to know the rules until they are ready.
Peace,
Respectfully.I believe that The Exalted God The Most Powerful wants us to obey Him in order to achieve a better life in the next sphere where we will have immortality.
God knows best.Peace.
This is also my belief. There is a quote, from Bill Hicks - "We are one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively" which I believe to be correct in a fundamental and striking manner. As stated earlier, the rules of the new universe at each instant of time are decided by the unfolding of past events, a semi-deterministic universe of sorts. In essence, at the beginning there was pure symmetry, no subjectivity whatsoever and everything was one, all forces were unified. Then the symmetry broke resulting in more symmetries which break, resulting in even more symmetries, etc and during each instant of time, the symmetry breaks again in a certain manner and the universe computes how it should then break symmetry again in order to produce the universe in the next instant in time.
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YUSUFALI But indeed men before them rejected (My warning) then how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)?
PICKTHAL And verily those before them denied, then (see) the manner of My wrath (with them)!
SHAKIR And certainly those before them rejected (the truth), then how was My disapproval.067.019
YUSUFALI Do they not observe the birds above them, spreading their wings and folding them in? None can uphold them except (Allah) Most Gracious Truly (Allah) Most Gracious Truly it is He that watches over all things.
PICKTHAL Have they not seen the birds above them spreading out their wings and closing them? Naught upholdeth them save the Beneficent. Lo! He is Seer of all things.
SHAKIR Have they not seen the birds above them expanding (their wings) and contracting (them)? What is it that withholds them save the Beneficent Allah? Surely He sees everything.024.041
YUSUFALI Seest thou not that it is Allah Whose praises all beings in the heavens and on earth do celebrate, and the birds (of the air) with wings outspread? Each one knows its own (mode of) prayer and praise. And Allah knows well all that they do.
PICKTHAL Hast thou not seen that Allah, He it is Whom all who are in the heavens and the earth praise, and the birds in their flight? Of each He knoweth verily the worship and the praise; and Allah is Aware of what they do.
SHAKIR Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the (very) birds with expanded wings? He knows the prayer of each one and its glorification, and Allah is Cognizant of what they do.I understand the meaning of this verse entirely so. If you actually look at the manner in which birds fly, they flap their wings in resonance to the melody of the universe. Because of all of these years of evolution they have managed to develop their sense of flow, salat, with time. Suppose a bird wants to fly across the road, and a wind is moving down the road. The bird will provide via its wings a change in energy equal and opposite to the wind to within the extent that it can, that is to say as long as the momentum of the wind is not so great that it would simply be more energy efficient to change direction to go with the wind and hope that at some point, it can still get to point B. In this context, the peaceful state is one in which the bird gets from A to B. A sidewards wind is one which disturbs that peace in a certain manner and the brain of the bird then takes in information from the present moment and computes how it should redirect the energy around it to cancel out that disruption of the peace in an exact and correct manner. To say a human is bird brained is quite the complement, most of us nowadays will never achieve that in our lifetime!
In a sober reality it is very difficult to understand these things. Observing this but with a tracer effect allows one to see it in a striking manner. One way in which to observe this would be to film the motion with a high speed camera then overlay the past frames of the video with the present. An alternative and far more spiritually powerful manner in which to see this same thing is to take a hit of acid.
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YUSUFALI And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice),
PICKTHAL And the sky He hath uplifted; and He hath set the measure,
SHAKIR And the heaven, He raised it high, and He made the balance055.008
SHAKIR That you may not be inordinate in respect of the measure.055.009
SHAKIR And keep up the balance with equity and do not make the measure deficient.In light of the above, now consider this verse!
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SHAKIR Most surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that Allah sends down from the cloud, then gives life with it to the earth after its death and spreads in it all (kinds of) animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between the heaven and the earth, there are signs for a people who understand. -
Our purpose in this world is to be the best we can be. We live in an interconnected world, and every action we take affects other people. Our actions should alleviate the suffering of humanity rather than make it worse, as it so often tends to do.
Peace
Kukumber
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Our purpose in this world is to be the best we can be. We live in an interconnected world, and every action we take affects other people. Our actions should alleviate the suffering of humanity rather than make it worse, as it so often tends to do.
Peace
Kukumberwhat you have stated in this post is the purpose of life, not the purpose of the existence .
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Peace Thereformer
The title of this post is "What God wants us to do"
What I posted is my understanding of "what God wants us to do" while we inhabit this planet Earth. There is no difference between purpose of life, and purpose of existence. They are one and the same. I exist to use the free-will that I exist with, for good, rather than for bad.
Kukumber
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Peace Thereformer
The title of this post is "What God wants us to do"
What I posted is my understanding of "what God wants us to do" while we inhabit this planet Earth. There is no difference between purpose of life, and purpose of existence. They are one and the same. I exist to use the free-will that I exist with, for good, rather than for bad.
KukumberSalam,
No sorry I disagree with you the purpose of life is what you want to achieve and what you want to do with what you exist with. The purpose of the existence is what you're for, with what you exist for.
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Well then we shall agree to disagree. They are one and the same to me.
Peace
Kukumber.I've explained to you the difference of the both terms ..so disagreeing with me ah not with me with what I said is your choice when it is wrong, when it is not, try to look for another word means the opposite .
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"I've explained to you the difference of the both terms ..so disagreeing with me ah not with me with what I said is your choice when it is wrong, when it is not, try to look for another word means the opposite Wink."
No idea what that above sentence means.
Peace
Kukumber
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"I've explained to you the difference of the both terms ..so disagreeing with me ah not with me with what I said is your choice when it is wrong, when it is not, try to look for another word means the opposite Wink."
No idea what that above sentence means.
Peace
KukumberBetter .
Sallam
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In a sober reality it is very difficult to understand these things. Observing this but with a tracer effect allows one to see it in a striking manner. One way in which to observe this would be to film the motion with a high speed camera then overlay the past frames of the video with the present. An alternative and far more spiritually powerful manner in which to see this same thing is to take a hit of acid.
Excellent post and can you explain the above highlighted part. Is this the same as those wildlife programmes shot in high speed cameras and when played back you see each movement of the bird which wouldn't be possible with the naked eye?
Can you recommend any websites or books that explain your post further.
PEACE
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Excellent post and can you explain the above highlighted part. Is this the same as those wildlife programmes shot in high speed cameras and when played back you see each movement of the bird which wouldn't be possible with the naked eye?
Can you recommend any websites or books that explain your post further.
PEACE
Exactly so but with one difference. If you waggle your finger about in front of your computer screen, you can see where it was in the past and where it is now at the same time because your optical nerves remain firing for a short time after observing an image. Hence, you have two modes with which to observe it (at the expense of losing the information of what was behind your finger in that time region). The same thing applies to the motions of birds, don't just watch it slowed down but also, overlay its past motions onto its current motions. You will then observe that there is a clear sense of flow, unity with the universe, that is simply amazing. In the same manner that a tuning fork resonates in such a way that dissipates its energy into stillness, a bird will do the same except its aim is to achieve motion in a specified direction. I hope to give this a rigorous mathematical treatment in the future. As for books which explain this, the quran is at the forefront.
As for books which expound on this, I guess you can crack open a physics textbook, learn about momentum, fluid dynamics, etc then you would have to learn about evolution and so on and so forth. It would be quite a mountainous task to understand this phenomenon alone. Even now, with our supercomputers and whatnot nobody has solved many problems in understanding the nature of reality, one example pertaining to this particular topic would be the Navier-Stokes smoothness problem.
We as humans have been alive for a short while and our attempts to produce creatures of flight are vastly superseded by the divine creator's method. Indeed we learn what we can from his method and put that into practice, the result being jet planes at this moment of time. Sure, our creator has had billions of years within which to enact this but surely within the constraints of our universe it takes a given measure of time to attain a particular vibrational state in a region of space. We as humans know far less than the all-knowing.
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salam alaykom;
first of all, I have to tell you that your signature is an insult to the arabs community, so care to delete it ? or people will take it a racist statement about arabs from you "including me" .WOW, do you ever read Quran at all?? That is from Quran, if you see it as in insult refer it to Allah!
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WOW, do you ever read Quran at all?? That is from Quran, if you see it as in insult refer it to Allah!
bravo exactly,