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    cosmicdancer
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    http//i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/seeker133/Abraha2.jpg

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      One of the great miracles performed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala is that he destroyed the mighty army of Abraha by using birds to carry stones and throw them at the army.

      the stones were from backed clay and every stones contain the name of man that it'll kill, in addition to these things that these stones were guided by God to strike their heads and imagine just a stone have shaded from a higher point from earth "the tower of sheikh talal" into your head directly "let's see if you will stay alive " God knows.

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        Wakas
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        why would God save the Kaaba?

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          One of the great miracles performed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala is that he destroyed the mighty army of Abraha by using birds to carry stones and throw them at the army.

          The Qur'an - the Divine and literal speech of Allah, Subhanahu wa ta'aala - said

          Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the owners of the elephant?
          Did He not make their plot go astray?
          And send against them birds, in flocks
          Striking them with stones of baked clay
          And made them like an empty field of stalks (1051-5)

          God almighty in his last communication with mankind told us this very important story about how Abraha the ruler of Yemen who came to attack the Ka'ba with a huge army (along with elephant) out of jealously (he had a big church he wanted ppl to visit). But the Ka'ba is God's house and he wanted to defend it, so he sent birds carrying stones. The birds threw these stones at the army below, killing them all.

          It must have taken an awful lot of birds to throw enough stones to kill a whole army, though I suppose each bird could have carried 3 stones; one in each claw and one in it's beak - so I guess that reduces the number needed slightly - though the birds must have been very strong and had incredible muscles to have the power and dexterity to throw stones with great velocity so as to kill the soldiers. They must also have had intelligence over and above those usually associated with birds so as to perform all these manouvers and aim so accurately. (I suspect God had been training them for some months in a secret location.)

          They must have also been excellent good shots - or perhaps they went back to wherever they got the stones to be reloaded - perhaps a ground crew of little hamsters were standing by huge piles of rocks.

          I have to also wonder about the effectiveness of such stones hitting a huge and well equipped army.

          If they were just dropped then they would not really hit very hard. If the birds threw them with a lot of force I suppose they could have really hurt. Then again perhaps the stones had been sharpened by knife wielding badgers or were poisoned by venomous mercenary snakes, paid for their services with little mice.

          It seems strange that God was so concerned to save the Ka'ba a place of idol worship and destroy a Christian army? I thought Shirk was unforgivable and Christians had nothing to fear. A lot of innocent Christians died to save a pile of bricks dedicated to idols - very odd!

          I have to wonder why God did not make as much effort to save the Kaba when it was destroyed (and rebuilt) more than once in subsequent history.

          It would also be nice to see God for once save the billions he drowns or crushes under builings in Tsunamis and Earthquakes etc...

          But hey! Whatever the case - God is Great! May his name be blessed and praised!

          Where it says abrah Army o

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            Mazhar
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            Where it says abrah Army o

            Durther, and where does it say "along with elephants". There is the possessive phrase. Possessor is the Elephant and the related/possessed are Persons/Companions/Men. "Companions/Men of the Elephant". This is their title/identification known at that point in time. And those who understood the Verse they have made their own "Birds" called Drones, and tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan now fully understand the content of the verse.

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              Thereformer1
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              why would God save the Kaaba?

              I know much reasons of why God would save Al-Qa'aba, but I'll just choose the powerful one

              { { } the end of the your question .

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                Thereformer1
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                Where it says abrah Army o

                this is history, the historians wrote this story and dated it.

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                  Wakas
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                  Sorry, but that did not end my question.

                  Are you implying if the Kaaba were destroyed, this disproves islam or Quran or God?

                  Please clarify.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    Thereformer1
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                    Sorry, but that did not end my question.
                    Are you implying if the Kaaba were destroyed, this disproves islam or Quran or God?
                    Please clarify.

                    the Ka'aba were destroyed before and Qur'aysh re-built it again. and about disprove who knows but God knows.

                    I can state more than five verses about that Ka'aba is a necessary thing in Islam world and in Qur'an also.

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                    B.S this will disprove the call of Abaraham and Ismail when they asked God to accept the work of building the Ka'aba.And this will disprove that it was an order from God to build it.

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                      jawad_mugniya
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                      this is history, the historians wrote this story and dated it.

                      Why then Allah protected the Kaaba during Abraha's time and not during Yazid's time because it was also destroyed by the Umayyad ?

                      Ponder upon it !

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                        Why then Allah protected the Kaaba during Abraha's time and not during Yazid's time because it was also destroyed by the Umayyad ?
                        Ponder upon it !

                        what , where this person come from and what do you mean by Yazid's time ? ..write the name by arabic to see .

                        the ka'aba never destroyed after the time of abraha al habashey, but Qur'aych re-built it because there was destroyed by a flood.

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                          jawad_mugniya
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                          what , where this person come from and what do you mean by Yazid's time ? ..write the name by arabic to see .

                          the ka'aba never destroyed after the time of abraha al habashey, but Qur'aych re-built it because there was destroyed by a flood.

                          Bro. if you don't know history then learn it please !

                          Second Civil War (680-694)

                          With the death of Mu'awiyya in 680 and the succession of his son, Yazid, a second civil war broke out with the followers of 'Ali. Yazid had some of the administrative effectiveness of Mu'awiyya, but none of the moral restraint and certainly no portion of the hilm that characterized his father. Anxious to force 'Ali's son, Husayn, to recognize his authority, Yazid eventually killed Husayn and a handful of his followers at Karbala in Iraq. This intemperate act inspired the people of Medina to revolt?Yazid put down this revolt and then laid siege to Mecca. In the middle of the siege, however, he died, and the caliphate was bestowed on his adolescent son, Mu'awiyya II. But the young boy soon died and the Islamic world fell into disarray over competing claims to the caliphate?the hereditary caliphate was still too young in its establishment.

                          The Arabian people were by now scattered all over the Islamic world. Two tribes based in Syria, the Qays and the Kalb, rallied around two separate candidates for caliph Marwan ibn al-Hakam and Ibn al-Zubayr. A bitter war was fought between the two tribes and Marwan, backed by the Kalbites, became caliph in 684 and founded a new Umayyad dynasty. But because he died a year later, the reconquest of Islamic lands would fall to his son 'Abd al-Malik, who ruled from 685 to 705 (65-86 AH). When 'Abd al-Malik became caliph, all of Arabia was under the control of his rival, Ibn al-Zubayr, while much of Iraq had fallen under the control of a rebel named al-Mukhtar. al-Mukhtar was defeated by Ibn al-Zubayr and, in 692, 'Abd al-Malik defeated Ibn al-Zubayr at Mecca. So desperate was he for victory, that he showered Mecca and the Ka'aba with catapults and freely destroyed the holy place.

                          His victory cemented Umayyad control over Islam; however, both the Shi'a and the Kharjites would remain powerful oppositional forces.

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                            cosmicdancer
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                            I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.

                            "Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo

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                              Bro. if you don't know history then learn it please !

                              Hahahahahah. I've read history more than what you think and what you stated here never happened even in my dreams.

                              this is a fake history ..first of all there was no one called Yazid " " and he never killed "" and the events between the death of "" and this fake man are not related at all . second of all this age was called the age of dawla al Omaweya where the leader was " " and the age of this Dawla was shirt and Ka'aba has never been destroyed in that age. third of all ka'aba was destroyed by flood in th existence of the prophet and Qur'aich rebuilt it again and it has never destroyed after that .

                              I swear that what you stated here is a fake history ....I've studied hisory and never these things have happened before.

                              so next time after making a big mistake, try to know the source of what you're going to post.

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                                I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.

                                "Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo

                                Lol, this man has been crusified .

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                                  cosmicdancer
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                                  Lol, this man has been crusified .

                                  And you find that funny?

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                                    I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.

                                    "Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo

                                    Was he amongst "dancing or whirling sufis"?

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                                      cosmicdancer
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                                      Was he amongst "dancing or whirling sufis"?

                                      I don't believe he was, no. Why do you ask?

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                                        this is a fake history ..first of all there was no one called Yazid " " and he never killed "" and the events between the death of "" and this fake man are not related at all .

                                        Are you a follower of Dr. Shabbir Ahmed one who is claiming that Karbala never happened ?

                                        I asked him two questions but he never answered me

                                        First question - Who is the author of the book Kitab Dalail-e-Nabawwut Abdul Jabbar Fatimi or Abdul Jabbar Qaramati ?

                                        Second question - Can you provide me the photographs of the above mentionned book as you say in your forum "I am extremely grateful to my loyal readers who, at the risk of life and imprisonment, have been mailing me these photographed excerpts for a few years.
                                        " ?

                                        Ok if you claim that all thing i posted is rubbish then give me the name of your sources ie. name of books etc.

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                                          Irrespective of the fact, whether this event happened or not, it does not seem that this story is the topic in this Surah. The folowoing rendition at www.servantofthelight.com, seem to make a lot of sense, and seem linguistically correct. Here is the reproduction for your reference.

                                          (This is the 105th chapter with 5 short verses.

                                          It is traditionally translated, or more accurately interpreted, with reference to, and the support of, historical event; events that took place before the time of the Rasul Mohammed. It has been translated as a catastrophe upon an army and their elephants, during the time of an invasion to the place of worship, which was not only very dear to the people there, but was a centre of trade for the entire area, and hence a source of income to the pagan Bedouins. It is described, traditionally, that since it is the House of Allah build by Prophet Abraham and his son, it was hence protected by Allah himself. A closer look at the word, "Feel" shows that this word was not the classical Arabic word for elephants at that time, but was a Persian word. The word "Feel" in classical Arabic actually reflected those people who were cowardly, timid, weak in judgement and erring in clear perception. With this understanding, it is rather difficult to assign the classical rendition of the destruction of the army of the elephants, as the real plausible rendition, with regard to the spirit of this very profound Surah.

                                          This we feel, based on our understanding of the great work of grammar and lexicon, is rather reflective of the creation of the human as a superior creation among all the other creations, akin to the making of a stallion in the entire herd of creations. It is then stated that by forgetting this very basic fact, humans tend to act like lower creations and put themselves in a state of error, so become easily defeated, and hence suffer collective destruction, rather than pulling out of this sickness. They are then invited to hasten to change the course of their flight, from a deceitful and wrong direction, to a course that is rightfully directed, and protect themselves from irreparable damage.)

                                          Surah 1051

                                          Truthfully, your nurturer, fosterer and nourisher has brought you forth to excel like a stallion in a herd, to source all solutions with the utmost mental and physical effort. Why would you abstain from it, but through timidity and cowardice? Being nothing other than followers, too weak in judgement and erring in clear perception.

                                          Surah 1052

                                          Truthfully you are created without any similar and for a special purpose. Why do you want to circumvent this purpose, by acting deceitfully and wickedly and be amongst those; who will not desist from error, confusion and perplexity?

                                          Surah 1053

                                          Here is a call upon you to pull gently out of this sickness. You hasten to take flight and prepare to change the course that is rightly directed.

                                          Surah 1054

                                          Use others for assistance for the greatest effort in; what is prohibited and secure from being infringed, breached, or broken? Do not be like a sovereign nation -

                                          Surah 1055

                                          • whom happens to neglect purpose and are doubtful of their creation. By suffering this sickness so decline quickly; hence becoming easily defeated.

                                          Peace

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