Birds Throwing Stones
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Where it says abrah Army o
this is history, the historians wrote this story and dated it.
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Sorry, but that did not end my question.
Are you implying if the Kaaba were destroyed, this disproves islam or Quran or God?
Please clarify.the Ka'aba were destroyed before and Qur'aysh re-built it again. and about disprove who knows but God knows.
I can state more than five verses about that Ka'aba is a necessary thing in Islam world and in Qur'an also.
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B.S this will disprove the call of Abaraham and Ismail when they asked God to accept the work of building the Ka'aba.And this will disprove that it was an order from God to build it.
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this is history, the historians wrote this story and dated it.
Why then Allah protected the Kaaba during Abraha's time and not during Yazid's time because it was also destroyed by the Umayyad ?
Ponder upon it !
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Why then Allah protected the Kaaba during Abraha's time and not during Yazid's time because it was also destroyed by the Umayyad ?
Ponder upon it !what , where this person come from and what do you mean by Yazid's time ? ..write the name by arabic to see .
the ka'aba never destroyed after the time of abraha al habashey, but Qur'aych re-built it because there was destroyed by a flood.
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what , where this person come from and what do you mean by Yazid's time ? ..write the name by arabic to see .
the ka'aba never destroyed after the time of abraha al habashey, but Qur'aych re-built it because there was destroyed by a flood.
Bro. if you don't know history then learn it please !
Second Civil War (680-694)
With the death of Mu'awiyya in 680 and the succession of his son, Yazid, a second civil war broke out with the followers of 'Ali. Yazid had some of the administrative effectiveness of Mu'awiyya, but none of the moral restraint and certainly no portion of the hilm that characterized his father. Anxious to force 'Ali's son, Husayn, to recognize his authority, Yazid eventually killed Husayn and a handful of his followers at Karbala in Iraq. This intemperate act inspired the people of Medina to revolt?Yazid put down this revolt and then laid siege to Mecca. In the middle of the siege, however, he died, and the caliphate was bestowed on his adolescent son, Mu'awiyya II. But the young boy soon died and the Islamic world fell into disarray over competing claims to the caliphate?the hereditary caliphate was still too young in its establishment.
The Arabian people were by now scattered all over the Islamic world. Two tribes based in Syria, the Qays and the Kalb, rallied around two separate candidates for caliph Marwan ibn al-Hakam and Ibn al-Zubayr. A bitter war was fought between the two tribes and Marwan, backed by the Kalbites, became caliph in 684 and founded a new Umayyad dynasty. But because he died a year later, the reconquest of Islamic lands would fall to his son 'Abd al-Malik, who ruled from 685 to 705 (65-86 AH). When 'Abd al-Malik became caliph, all of Arabia was under the control of his rival, Ibn al-Zubayr, while much of Iraq had fallen under the control of a rebel named al-Mukhtar. al-Mukhtar was defeated by Ibn al-Zubayr and, in 692, 'Abd al-Malik defeated Ibn al-Zubayr at Mecca. So desperate was he for victory, that he showered Mecca and the Ka'aba with catapults and freely destroyed the holy place.
His victory cemented Umayyad control over Islam; however, both the Shi'a and the Kharjites would remain powerful oppositional forces.
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I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.
"Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo
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Bro. if you don't know history then learn it please !
Hahahahahah. I've read history more than what you think and what you stated here never happened even in my dreams.
this is a fake history ..first of all there was no one called Yazid " " and he never killed "" and the events between the death of "" and this fake man are not related at all . second of all this age was called the age of dawla al Omaweya where the leader was " " and the age of this Dawla was shirt and Ka'aba has never been destroyed in that age. third of all ka'aba was destroyed by flood in th existence of the prophet and Qur'aich rebuilt it again and it has never destroyed after that .
I swear that what you stated here is a fake history ....I've studied hisory and never these things have happened before.
so next time after making a big mistake, try to know the source of what you're going to post.
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I love what Hallaj (a 9th century Sufi) said to one man who was going on pilgrimage to the Ka'ba.
"Do Tawaf around me instead and then give the money you would have spent on this journey to the poor!" bravo
Lol, this man has been crusified .
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Lol, this man has been crusified .
And you find that funny?
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Was he amongst "dancing or whirling sufis"?
I don't believe he was, no. Why do you ask?
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this is a fake history ..first of all there was no one called Yazid " " and he never killed "" and the events between the death of "" and this fake man are not related at all .
Are you a follower of Dr. Shabbir Ahmed one who is claiming that Karbala never happened ?
I asked him two questions but he never answered me
First question - Who is the author of the book Kitab Dalail-e-Nabawwut Abdul Jabbar Fatimi or Abdul Jabbar Qaramati ?
Second question - Can you provide me the photographs of the above mentionned book as you say in your forum "I am extremely grateful to my loyal readers who, at the risk of life and imprisonment, have been mailing me these photographed excerpts for a few years.
" ?Ok if you claim that all thing i posted is rubbish then give me the name of your sources ie. name of books etc.
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Irrespective of the fact, whether this event happened or not, it does not seem that this story is the topic in this Surah. The folowoing rendition at www.servantofthelight.com, seem to make a lot of sense, and seem linguistically correct. Here is the reproduction for your reference.
(This is the 105th chapter with 5 short verses.
It is traditionally translated, or more accurately interpreted, with reference to, and the support of, historical event; events that took place before the time of the Rasul Mohammed. It has been translated as a catastrophe upon an army and their elephants, during the time of an invasion to the place of worship, which was not only very dear to the people there, but was a centre of trade for the entire area, and hence a source of income to the pagan Bedouins. It is described, traditionally, that since it is the House of Allah build by Prophet Abraham and his son, it was hence protected by Allah himself. A closer look at the word, "Feel" shows that this word was not the classical Arabic word for elephants at that time, but was a Persian word. The word "Feel" in classical Arabic actually reflected those people who were cowardly, timid, weak in judgement and erring in clear perception. With this understanding, it is rather difficult to assign the classical rendition of the destruction of the army of the elephants, as the real plausible rendition, with regard to the spirit of this very profound Surah.
This we feel, based on our understanding of the great work of grammar and lexicon, is rather reflective of the creation of the human as a superior creation among all the other creations, akin to the making of a stallion in the entire herd of creations. It is then stated that by forgetting this very basic fact, humans tend to act like lower creations and put themselves in a state of error, so become easily defeated, and hence suffer collective destruction, rather than pulling out of this sickness. They are then invited to hasten to change the course of their flight, from a deceitful and wrong direction, to a course that is rightfully directed, and protect themselves from irreparable damage.)
Surah 1051
Truthfully, your nurturer, fosterer and nourisher has brought you forth to excel like a stallion in a herd, to source all solutions with the utmost mental and physical effort. Why would you abstain from it, but through timidity and cowardice? Being nothing other than followers, too weak in judgement and erring in clear perception.
Surah 1052
Truthfully you are created without any similar and for a special purpose. Why do you want to circumvent this purpose, by acting deceitfully and wickedly and be amongst those; who will not desist from error, confusion and perplexity?
Surah 1053
Here is a call upon you to pull gently out of this sickness. You hasten to take flight and prepare to change the course that is rightly directed.
Surah 1054
Use others for assistance for the greatest effort in; what is prohibited and secure from being infringed, breached, or broken? Do not be like a sovereign nation -
Surah 1055
- whom happens to neglect purpose and are doubtful of their creation. By suffering this sickness so decline quickly; hence becoming easily defeated.
Peace
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This we feel, based on our understanding of the great work of grammar and lexicon, is rather reflective of the creation of the human as a superior creation among all the other creations, akin to the making of a stallion in the entire herd of creations.
This has been told in plain and straight words
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.70.gif
And indeed We have hnoured and dignified the posterity of Adam and We have made them ride in the Earth and the Water Reservoir;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/017.E%20Al%20Israa.htm
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Peace,
I am more traditionalist then and I think this story has more to do with historical events, one of the hypothesis I found is a volcan eruption that killed the army of the elefant which did not occur in Mecca but more in North West Arabia.
This is supported by the 2 following points
1- To cross the desert to get to Mecca with an elefant is not easy thing to do, knowing the quantity of water needed for an elefant to survive in the desert! (sunni version)
2- Scientific research can show that an eruption occured in North West Arabia in 640AD and killed many people and it is on the road to Sirya.
3- No way to proof presence of elefant in Yemen (sunni version)please see http//www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=0301-02=&volpage=photos&photo=104063
an other hypothesis is the Jordan river battle between the arabs and the Byzantins (the people of the elefant) where Heraclius lost the battle.
About the Elefant, bear in mind it is singular, and could also be the symbol of an army or tribe!!!!
Is it possible that "People of the elephant" is the people who were using an elephant as symbol e.g. people of Petra!!!
please see new findings
http//www.brown.edu/Departments/Joukowsky_Institute/Petra/elephant.html
Regards
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peace
I remember my Mum used to say the Ababeel-birds that fly around the kaaba do twaaf, you see them flying around the kaaba and they never shit on the holy precints i used to wonder how can animals know such stuff!!!
then when i went on Hajj with my mum i saw so many bird dropping in the verandas surrounding the kaaba- everything was self evident its all in the mind.
I was also told the zam zam is holy water that cures many a disease, until i saw a water container in the veranda- the lid had come off-full off green stuff fungi and realised why so many people get the cough and the belly aches.
when will they stop brain washing children into believing nonsensical things.
Thank God for everything he did for me.
peace
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I was also told the zam zam is holy water that cures many a disease, until i saw a water container in the veranda- the lid had come off-full off green stuff fungi and realised why so many people get the cough and the belly aches.
It is blatent lie. Fungi and smell/odor does not develop in Zam Zam water. I have one container of Zam Zam kept by me since 1991, now left about half of the container, it is fresh till today. I kept it for physical verification. First read scientific reports about the contents of Zam Zam, then talk and spread rubbish opinions. You might not know even peculiarity of that well. Water does not come from the sides but gushes from the bed.
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It is blatent lie. Fungi and smell/odor does not develop in Zam Zam water. I have one container of Zam Zam kept by me since 1991, now left about half of the container, it is fresh till today. I kept it for physical verification. First read scientific reports about the contents of Zam Zam, then talk and spread rubbish opinions. You might not know even peculiarity of that well. Water does not come from the sides but gushes from the bed.
Pictures of your container please ! whatever
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It is blatent lie. Fungi and smell/odor does not develop in Zam Zam water. I have one container of Zam Zam kept by me since 1991, now left about half of the container, it is fresh till today. I kept it for physical verification. First read scientific reports about the contents of Zam Zam, then talk and spread rubbish opinions. You might not know even peculiarity of that well. Water does not come from the sides but gushes from the bed.
May be the container hadn't been serviced for a while, God knows.
but here is something that you need to be aware of-
http//www.luton.gov.uk/internet/references/news/news%20archive/2008%20news%20releases/september%202008/05_09_08%20-%20dangerous%20levels%20of%20arsenic%20found%20in%20water%20brand
Hygiene is essential irrespective of what you are having and where.
I personally once went to K2 to get some Glacier water- i still have some after 10 years, it is supposed to be good for you - just check the web wow
peace
