did Qur'anists know that the prophet has mentioned them ?
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You see, there is nothing in bukhari to say that this is the same event. So you got two options now
- Bukhari compiled RANDOM bits of information which is very unsafe. You know this because you like to tell us about context, mashaa Allah.
- or Bukhari compiled a complete hadith which shows that the Prophet can be bewitched and so we cant trust his words. In fact, im sure that if most hadith are true, then he must have been bewitched. No sane person talks like that.
the prophet peace be upon him was bewitched but not like what you think because the influence was "passing" or "", so Bukhari " " gave us the hadith detailed which you can not afford because of your poor source.
as I see the hadiths doesn't talk about untrust the prophet neither a word describe this thing .. the hadiths is simple and clear, and shows that the prophet was bewitched for a shirt time (it could minutes) and you're talking about 25 years of the life of the prophet when he said his sayings.
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the verse talks about the men who they don't take what prophet said from provisions and succinctness
Where? We must be reading a different verse.
do you know that Fatima Azahraa may God be pleased with here (the daughter of the prophet peace be upon him) that when she was dying, she ordered his husband "Ali" that when it'll be die, they must cover here by a large clothes and to add the Palm leaves inside the clothes to make sure that her shape and her contours of her body will not be known. look at this great values
Wow! I am very impressed with the "great values" being presented in this hadith.
the verse of Hijab
The word "hijab" is not even in this verse. But anyway -- if you want to debate hijab, I suggest you do that in one of the already existing threads on the issue. Doesn't make sense to repeat arguments over and over again.
Btw, do you happen to be Egyptian?
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Yeah except you forgot to mention that they also said ?aw baddalhu? (or change it). So why didn?t he change the rulings? If he had the power with hadith to clarify, specify or whatever tricks you sunnis say he did just so u can reject the Quranic law, why didn?t Allah authorise him here?
Because he had no such power. He had to follow only Quran.sorry but I must say that your knowledge is so superficial in Qur'an and also in Arabic language .
read my post I didn't forget to mention " change it" as you claimed >>>>>>>>>> lack of reading my post.
the infidels asked the prophet to bring another one like Qur'an, or change Qur'an itself (they are talking about the same thing which is after all talking about change Qur'an by another one from God himself) .
you didn't understand the difference between change Qur'an and interpret Qur'an .
what "why didn't Allah authorise him here?" sorry this is the most stupid question I've ever heard, because if God authorise him to change Qur'an by another book from sky, why he would send him in the first time ? as we know Qur'an is the last book from God to human kind >>>>>>>>> pick your questions .
ah one more thing the verse shows that the speaker is the prophet not God.
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Where? We must be reading a different verse.
No, sorry we are reading the same verse .
Wow! I am very impressed with the "great values" being presented in this hadith.
I've just gave you an example, I know that you can't be like her even in your dreams .
The word "hijab" is not even in this verse. But anyway -- if you want to debate hijab, I suggest you do that in one of the already existing threads on the issue. Doesn't make sense to repeat arguments over and over again.
what you don't know that the verse is called the verse of Hijab for more than 1400 years ago and you came today to say that Hijab is not mentioned lol that was silly or maybe because of your lack of knowledge.
Btw, do you happen to be Egyptian?
No, never .
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I've just gave you an example, I know that you can't be like her even in your dreams .
Well, I don't know her and have no wish to be like her. Not sure what makes you think I should feel that way.
what you don't know that the verse is called the verse of Hijab for more than 1400 years ago
Says who? You?
and you came today to say that Hijab is not mentioned lol that was silly or maybe because of your lack of knowledge.
If it is silly, then could you please kindly show me where in the verse the word hijab is being mentioned? Must be my lack of knowledge that I can't discover it.
No, never .
Then where are you from?
You sound just like a number of Egyptians I used to discuss faith with. Same arguments, same condescending style, same avoiding of questions and resorting to ad hominem attacks.
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Well, I don't know her and have no wish to be like her. Not sure what makes you think I should feel that way.
Yes, I know that's why I said you will not be like her even in your dreams , so I'm not thinking , it's a fact .
Says who? You?
it was called the verse of Hijab by the Sahaba.
If it is silly, then could you please kindly show me where in the verse the word hijab is being mentioned? Must be my lack of knowledge that I can't discover it.
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Then where are you from?
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You sound just like a number of Egyptians I used to discuss faith with. Same arguments, same condescending style, same avoiding of questions adn resorting to ad hominem attacks.
well, I don't sound like them, in fact I'm different from them, because they have a problem in controling their feelings. anyways I'm not an Egyptian and sorry to say that I don't like them (no offence if there is any egyptian here).
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this is the verse the so-called Hijab's verse
I did not ask what the verse is called, I pinted out that the word "hijab" is not to be found in there.
Hijab is a term of covering and what stated in the verse is covering . Hijab is an arabic term and it means "cover or veil or whithheld"
I know what hajaba / means.
so what mentioned this verse is Hijab.
THE WORD "HIJAB" in the QURAN
"Hijab" is the term used by many Muslims women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider.
Can we find the word "Hijab" in the Quran??
The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 746, 3353, 3832, 415, 4251, 1745 & 1917.
None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman.
God knows that generations after Muhammed's death the Muslims will use the word "Hijab" to invent a dress code that He never authorized. God used the word "Hijab" ahead of them just as He used the word "Hadith" ahead of them.
Hijab in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code.
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well, I don't sound like them, in fact I'm different from them, because they have a problem in controling their feelings.
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Al-`Irbad ibn Sariyah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said ?Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur?an? I tell you, by Allah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur?an, if not more so.? (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Khiraj wal-imarah wal-fay'
The most shocking thing? What I find shocking about this hadith is how obviously it contradicts the Qur'an, as has been shown by others on here.
This hadith is always quoted in texts about the supposed "authority of sunnah", I've read it countless times. nope
I actually am under the opposite opinion of this hadith. As a community leader I am sure the Prophet (S) had a lot of things to say and decisions to make dealing with the situations of the time in light of the Quran. However the Quran is what is being protected by Allah, so I would think the most important commands would be in the Quran.
For example The Prophet (S) in on hadith prohibits gold for men, this supposed to be related to the verse in the Quran that says "Don't be extravagant". This hadith may be true, however it may not (as hadith is not protected by Allah on Quran) However extravagance can have different meanings in different societies in different time periods. There for the Quran can not become dated.
I can't understand why the most important commandments would be in something that is not protected by Allah. What the hadith never got collected (as the first two caliphs ordered)?
I am just throwing ideas out here, I am not a scholar in any way. Allah knows best.
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I did not ask what the verse is called, I pinted out that the word "hijab" is not to be found in there.
it is not important to find the exact word, what it matters is that the words there lead to the meanings of cover which is in turn means Hijab .
ok let's see "the predators from the strain of the big cats in the jungle are exsiting to keep balance in nature " . so without looking what they mean by the strain of the big cats, we will know that they mean tigers . I think we need to mention tigers in the sentence to understand that we're talking about tigers. brickwall
I know what hajaba / means.
You know that you take the wrong word ... is "" not "" . the word that you have stated, means something else
THE WORD "HIJAB" in the QURAN
"Hijab" is the term used by many Muslims women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider.
Hijab is covering everything, there is another words about head covering and or hair covering and khimar. they translated them into one world which is wrong . in arabic the covering differ but Hijab as an arabic word means covering the whole body.
Can we find the word "Hijab" in the Quran??
The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 746, 3353, 3832, 415, 4251, 1745 & 1917.
see above ..the first post.
None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman.
God knows that generations after Muhammed's death the Muslims will use the word "Hijab" to invent a dress code that He never authorized. God used the word "Hijab" ahead of them just as He used the word "Hadith" ahead of them.
Hijab in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code.
I don't know what are you talking about?
you have said before that you're a student of truth , as I see you're following what the guys here in freemind said and wrote.http//free-minds.org/scarf
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Do they? In which way?Yes, they do, well sorry I'll not tell you in wich way because they are after all brothers in Islam
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"the predators from the strain of the big cats in the jungle are exsiting to keep balance in nature" . so without looking what they mean by the strain of the big cats, we will know that they mean tigers .
You assume this is referring to tigers. It could also mean lions or cheetahs, for example.
You know that you take the wrong word ... is "" not "" . the word that you have stated, means something else
I suggest you check a dictionary of Arabic.
Hijab as an arabic word means covering the whole body.
If God wanted the word to mean something that covers the whole body, why didn't he explicitly mention it in the verse you call the "hijab verse"?
you have said before that you're a student of truth
Where?
I would assume we are all truthseekers here in some way or another, no?
as I see you're following what the guys here in freemind said and wrote.
Erm ... no. I follow my own conclusions as to what is right. Some people here feel the same way about some issues as I do, others don't. If you haven't noticed, not everyone on this board thinks alike, there are lots of different opinions on many issues.
You have been on here longer than me, I am surprised you haven't noticed. ???
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You assume this is referring to tigers. It could also mean lions or cheetahs, for example.
Yes, you're right. My point is without giving the exact word, we can understand the meaning of the sentence and make our interpretation . the verse talks about Hijab , the end of the story.
I suggest you check a dictionary of Arabic.
humm... No thanks . I'm an Born Arabic , why I should look for what I already knew?
If God wanted the word to mean something that covers the whole body, why didn't he explicitly mention it in the verse you call the "hijab verse"?
As I said God gave you mind to make your own interpretation, and if you read the verse very well, you'll find that the verse talks about Hijab .
I didn't find the verse in english , look for the english version and go deep in inderstanding it.Where?
I would assume we are all truthseekers here in some way or another, no?
No.
Erm ... no. I follow my own conclusions as to what is right. Some people here feel the same way about some issues as I do, others don't. If you haven't noticed, not everyone on this board thinks alike, there are lots of different opinions on many issues.
You have been on here longer than me, I am surprised you haven't noticed. ???
Maybe or Maybe not.
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As I said God gave you mind to make your own interpretation, and if you read the verse very well, you'll find that the verse talks about Hijab .
I didn't find the verse in english , look for the english version and go deep in inderstanding it.Listen, bro, maybe you should make up your mind whether you want to talk about ahadeeth or hijab. If you want to debate hijab, be my guest, but let's do so in the appropriate place.
As for the verse in question -- I have read it in various languages, including Arabic, and I can not find a command to cover the head in there. If you feel that when God asks women to cover their cleavage, He actually means they should cover their head, that's fine with me. If you insist the verse leaves no room for other interpretations, I disagree though.
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Let us remember
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Scripture except in the best manner; except for those who are wicked amongst them; and say "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit."
I would think today this could apply to the Quranist vs the Pro-Hadith and all in between, as well as "The people of the scripture."
In Reza Aslan's book "No god but God", he says "Muslims, Christians, and Jews who seem so often to mistake religion for faith and scripture for God."
We can argue all day, but only Allah knows best and for all of us here who strive to follow and understand the will of Allah (whichever side you may be on) may Allah be pleased with our struggle and recognize that we are doing are best to submit hail to the will of Allah.
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Listen, bro, maybe you should make up your mind whether you want to talk about ahadeeth or hijab. If you want to debate hijab, be my guest, but let's do so in the appropriate place.
As for the verse in question -- I have read it in various languages, including Arabic, and I can not find a command to cover the head in there. If you feel that when God asks women to cover their cleavage, He actually means they should cover their head, that's fine with me. If you insist the verse leaves no room for other interpretations, I disagree though.
ok, I think we should back to the topic.
and about Hijab , give the link where I can debate in it.Edit to add one more thing (you didn't read Qur'an using Arabic language, I've said that for one resaon that you didn't understand what the verses said)
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Let us remember
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Scripture except in the best manner; except for those who are wicked amongst them; and say "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit."the problem here in this forum is the context of the verses whether you like it or not, every verse in Qur'an shaded whith a context, if you think the opposite, well why would God sent Qur'an in division other than be merciful to his prophet and detain the message?
the verse that you have chose here is talking about a situation where the people of the scriptures (the other books from Allah "Zabour, Al-Enjil, A-Thawrate" ) and to make it very easy they are the Jewish and the chritians.
I would think today this could apply to the Quranist vs the Pro-Hadith and all in between, as well as "The people of the scripture."
there is no thing called Quranist, I've proved that they are just making up things about hadith and I can debate with them in every hadith that they can choose. those people who claimed themselves Quranists are trying to ruin Islam in other words rejecting hadith will make them in a state of confusion, they can't take everything from Qur'an neither they can interpret it very well. so the side is already for Sunnah people .
In Reza Aslan's book "No god but God", he says "Muslims, Christians, and Jews who seem so often to mistake religion for faith and scripture for God."
Islam is the last religion and it's the religion of God, why we should argue with them while they got the name of their religions from their prophets and even they don't. fabricated name of religions.
We can argue all day, but only Allah knows best and for all of us here who strive to follow and understand the will of Allah (whichever side you may be on) may Allah be pleased with our struggle and recognize that we are doing are best to submit hail to the will of Allah.
I can argue all the day just to show the truth, and the truth said that Qur'anists play a good roles of ruining Islam.
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Quran 1 hadith 1
whithout hadith you'll never know how to be a Muslim .
Ah so you're saying they're equal? That God and Mohammed are equal? Sounds like shirk to me.
I can argue all the day just to show the truth, and the truth said that Qur'anists play a good roles of ruining Islam.
Yeah because we're the ones abusing our wives and daughters, chopping people's hands off for theft, chopping innocent babies' bits off and stoning pregnant women to death... just to name a few
anyways I'm not an Egyptian and sorry to say that I don't like them (no offence if there is any egyptian here).
What a disgusting racist comment.
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I can argue all the day just to show the truth, and the truth said that Qur'anists play a good roles of ruining Islam.
Islam is ruined by violent people not by peacefull people, Islam it's ruined by the hadiths wich are blasphemys and helpful to motivate violence, wich it hasn't his place into Islam...
well, I don't sound like them, in fact I'm different from them, because they have a problem in controling their feelings. anyways I'm not an Egyptian and sorry to say that I don't like them (no offence if there is any egyptian here).
Do you call yourself muslim?, If someone says that all the muslims are terrorists, is he right to generalize?
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I think enough has been said in this thread. I just want to say to you "TheReformer1" you are my brother in Islam, just as I consider everyone on this forum, and everyone who believes in the only one worthy of worship, the ONE God, and do there best to submit to his will. We all have our differences, it's too bad we can't see past those and embrace our similarities. Nobody can say who is and who isn't a "Muslim" for only Allah knows what is in our heart. Praise be to Allah and may Allah forever guide us closer to the truth.
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you didn't read Qur'an using Arabic language
Yes, I did.
I've said that for one resaon that you didn't understand what the verses said)
What you mean is that I did not understand the verse the way you understand it. This logic is fallacious, it would mean that any native Arabic speaker who comes to different conclusions than you do, did not read the Qur'an in Arabic.
That doesn't make sense at all.
2946 And do not argue with the people of the Scripture except in the best manner; except for those who are wicked amongst them; and say "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit."
Thank you for the reminder. I agree that we should not resort to insults or condescending language when debating faith (or anything, for that matter).
In Reza Aslan's book "No god but God", he says "Muslims, Christians, and Jews who seem so often to mistake religion for faith and scripture for God."
Great book! I've recommended it to many people. http//www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Btw., Reza Aslan says that the next big clash will not be between "Islam and the West", but between the ultra-conservative and progressive forces within Islam itself. I believe he is probably right.
