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    Thereformer1
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    Is that from a hadeeth too? Being rude is NEVER justified, whatever you may believe in!

    why you want to relate everything to hadith ? what's your point of doing this rude thing?

    she didn't read my posts and she was trying just reply without even take a time to understand what I mean , why you think that I should not be rude ?

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      Thereformer1
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      Disagreeing with you justifies being rude?

      Disagreeing with someone should be at least by using some knowledge, I doubt you have knowledge.

      Are you being serious here?

      I've never been serious but today I do .

      What makes you think that it is okay to be rude to a person simply because they don't agree with your opinion?

      because this person should have some knowledge to disgree with someone has knowledge.

      Haven't you've been claiming you are following the prophet Muhammad's sunnah? Can you tell me where in the sunnah it says it's okay to be rude to people because they disagree with you?

      so you're following the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, so you're not Muslim. can you tell me where in the Quran it says it's okey to not listen to someone better than you in knowledge ?

      Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
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      wel, beware your friend twice and your enemy once.

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        afridi220
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        Philosophy will not serve you by any way , so answer the question or leave a beautiful trace behind you .

        You don't know what I will do, so stop assuming .

        the question is clear and the answer is clear as well, we follow Asalaf Asaleh . Imam Malik and Bukhari and Muslim and so on.

        Here you go laugh

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          darcus
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          Salamun alaikum,

          thereformer...and you presume to have knowledge? I don't presume to have anything. Yet you judge that you are more knowledgeable than anyone on this forum, simply because they don't agree with your world-view.

          Stop being so sarcastic with your rudeness ALL the time. If you are feeling frustrated, can you imagine how we feel about your constant lack of understanding our viewpoint. A lot of us came from where you are in the 'i believe in hadith' corner. So some of us are fortunate enough to know BOTH sides - you however don't and possibly won't.

          Peace.

          Peace again
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            Thereformer1
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            Here you go laugh

            I didn't find your name between the dead, so you're not even alive.

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              Leyna
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              Disagreeing with someone should be at least by using some knowledge, I doubt you have knowledge.

              The fact that someone has less knowledge than you does not give you the right to be rude in any way.

              so you're following the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him,

              so you're not Muslim.

              Are these assumptions in any way related to the subject of discussion or the questions I asked you?

              can you tell me where in the Quran it says it's okey to not listen to someone better than you in knowledge ?

              Can you tell me where in the Qur'an it says it's okay to be rude to people because they disagree with you?

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                Thereformer1
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                Salamun alaikum,
                thereformer...and you presume to have knowledge? I don't presume to have anything. Yet you judge that you are more knowledgeable than anyone on this forum, simply because they don't agree with your world-view.
                Stop being so sarcastic with your rudeness ALL the time. If you are feeling frustrated, can you imagine how we feel about your constant lack of understanding our viewpoint. A lot of us came from where you are in the 'i believe in hadith' corner. So some of us are fortunate enough to know BOTH sides - you however don't and possibly won't.
                Peace.
                Peace again
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                I'm not frustrated and I'm not rude, I've just seen people arguing in things beyond their minds . I have knowledge in the subject more than anyone here does, and this is not as you claimed arrogance from me, no this is because I've witnessed your ignorance (guys here including you)

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                  afridi220
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                  I didn't find your name between the dead, so you're not even alive.

                  wish you nice inspirations then tempt laugh

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                    Thereformer1
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                    The fact that someone has less knowledge than you does not give you the right to be rude in any way.

                    Yes, it gives me the right because this one is arguing without knowledge which he will make angry, and when I become angry, I can be rude . so after all you are the responsable of me being rude.

                    Are these assumptions in any way related to the subject of discussion or the questions I asked you?

                    Yes, you're talking like we have two different prophets.

                    Can you tell me where in the Qur'an it says it's okay to be rude to people because they disagree with you?

                    Is it necessary to mention it in Quran ?

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                      Ayisha
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                      I have a deja vu feeling!

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                        Andreevici
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                        and therefore yet another man-god christ is born!

                        Assalamu aleikum,

                        I would have chose number three, not to worship the prophet Muhammed, i would have chose number 3 because the prophet Muhammed was a prophet like Moses, Jesus i would have obeyed Moses, Jesus, Muhammed and the other prophets because they where prophets and they had good teachings. Do you think Moses would have told you something bad, Jesus would have told you something bad to do or not to do?Muhammed would have told you to bad things?
                        From my point of view to obey the prophets that dosen't mean's to worship them or to do something against God's rules, against the Qur'an.

                        Peace be upon you.

                        By choseing number 3 that dosen't mean's that i recognize the hadiths, i reject the hadiths.

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                          Leyna
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                          Yes, it gives me the right because this one is arguing without knowledge which he will make angry, and when I become angry, I can be rude . so after all you are the responsable of me being rude.

                          Very creative logic.

                          You have just admitted that you're very emotional and not capable of containing your anger. Yet then you go on to claim that others are responsible for that bad behaviour of yours. I assume that you're a grownup, no? In that case it is you alone who is responsible for your behaviour.

                          Since you are a hadith lover I am sure you have heard the hadith in which the prophet says that a strong man is the one who controls his emotions when he is angry.

                          So according to that and your own definition, you are a very weak person.

                          As for "arguing without knowledge" -- you have repeatedly said things which are factually wrong, thus exposing a lack of knowledge on particular issues. So by your own reasoning, other people should now have the right to be rude to you.
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                            Kukumber
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                            Peace all

                            We need to add a "kudos" option to this message board. I would then do it to all of Leyna's posts

                            Kukumber

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                              Thereformer1
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                              wish you nice inspirations then tempt laugh

                              they said " when a fool man spoke, don't wait a wise quote"

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                                Thereformer1
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                                Very creative logic.
                                You have just admitted that you're very emotional and not capable of containing your anger. Yet then you go on to claim that others are responsible for that bad behaviour of yours. I assume that you're a grownup, no? In that case it is you alone who is responsible for your behaviour.
                                Since you are a hadith lover I am sure you have heard the hadith in which the prophet says that a strong man is the one who controls his emotions when he is angry.
                                So according to that and your own definition, you are a very weak person.
                                As for "arguing without knowledge" -- you have repeatedly said things which are factually wrong, thus exposing a lack of knowledge on particular issues. So by your own reasoning, other people should now have the right to be rude to you.
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                                Yes , you're right about the hadith but you forgot why he said that and what for ???? always a lack of knowledge .

                                strong not literally, he said the strong one, is the one who controls his emotions when he is angry, this means that the one who controlls his emotion of outrage is strong in controlling his soul because it is evil and he kept the satan away from him, so he is strong. try to be in front of me when I'm angry and let's see how strong I'll be (just kidding).

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                                  Leyna
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                                  We need to add a "kudos" option to this message board. I would then do it to all of Leyna's posts

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                                  I'm not much into sweets though, I'm happy if you give me a falafel sandwich. eat

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                                    Leyna
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                                    Yes , you're right about the hadith but you forgot why he said that and what for ????

                                    How on earth are you able to know whether I forgot this or not? Or, for that matter, whether I ever knew it in the first place?

                                    Not that it is relevant; this hadith is pretty much self-explanatory. I am just amazed at your assumptions.

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                                      Thereformer1
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                                      How on earth are you able to know whether I forgot this or not? Or, for that matter, whether I ever knew it in the first place?

                                      you didn't mention it on the board, so that's why I said you forgot because you have to write everything . not just copied from a somewhere and pasted it .

                                      Not that it is relevant; this hadith is pretty much self-explanatory. I am just amazed at your assumptions.

                                      I am just amazed at your contradictions. you don't follow hadith yet I must use it to reply to this guy.

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        This is where we have the problem. A lot of, if not all PM's believe that the Prophet PBUH's sole job was to deliver the message and that's it. And then they use certain ayats to back up their claim, thus going so far as even equating the Prophet PBUH to a postman who just delivers the message/letter/ post etc

                                        In the love for Bukhari's gossip, you seem to have directly criticised Allah since He, not people on Free Minds, says that the basic responsibility and job assignment of the Messenger is to deliver the Aa'ya'at/Message of Allah. He is talking to people, telling them the contents of Qur'aan........
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                                        and if they turn their backs and go then let them go
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                                        since the only responsibility upon you is to deliver/convey/pass on the message

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                                        And/since Allah is ever watching/focused attention to His servants.

                                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.%2001--.htm

                                        Go to above link which will take you to all these verses.

                                        To follow the footprints of the Messenger is to act in the manner that none between him and us comes any third person. And we will be following him in letter and spirit only when we follow that which he followed in his entire life span. What did he follow? Find that and start following it, you will exactly be following the Messenger as if he is still living.

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                                          amin
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                                          To reformer or anyone,

                                          use your brain first, any advice rule is time dependent or place dependent, so Mohammed SAW should have given advice based on the place he lived, so if you want copy his actions dress hairstyle etc.. and say they are universal sunnah, its too foolish.

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