one Question for Quranists

Mazhar

the only blind I see is you, you think that following what Quran said and what prophet is blind beliefs, well let me applaud for you because I really don't want to be in your situation and as they said ?But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart...?, so keep going in seeing things with your eyes, your end will be always a blind , there you go another philosopical answer for you.

Allah has decided and pronounced through the Exalted Messenger in these plain and simple words who is blind;

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You, the Messenger pronounce for humanity, "That is a Guide and Healer for those people who have accepted ,
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and those who do not accept/believe, there is heaviness in their ears
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and that/Grand Qur'aan upon them is blinded/far distant,
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they are the people as if they are being called to see from a far distant place.

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hope4

the only blind I see is you, you think that following what Quran said and what prophet is blind beliefs, well let me applaud for you because I really don't want to be in your situation and as they said ?But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart...?, so keep going in seeing things with your eyes, your end will be always a blind , there you go another philosopical answer for you.

Selam

You seem to be confused as to what you follow. I follow the word of Allah (written in the Quran). You seem to follow a list of exotic names and stories from the past. If this is not true then I have made a wrong judgement. Its a good thing that Allah is judging us and not you.

Peace

Thereformer1

Selam
You seem to be confused as to what you follow. I follow the word of Allah (written in the Quran). You seem to follow a list of exotic names and stories from the past. If this is not true then I have made a wrong judgement. Its a good thing that Allah is judging us and not you.
Peace

the problem is always over your eyes, I believe in Quran and I believe in Sunnah both of them are necessary in Islam. You believe in one thing / so think.

and by the way you know that what you said about sunnah is just a stories is the same thing that people said before which not make you better than him.

Leyna

peace

after asking about HUWA and its meanings , you to see what before Huma because Huwa is a Damir ishara.

I don't understand this sentence at all. Where is the verb? ???

Yes, it is wrong but it's not a mistake.
...

it was wrong but surely it's not mistake.

If you do something wrong, you are making a mistake.

Leyna

I've just explained to him the way we say the words, so stop attacking me .

I have not attacked you. I asked you to please stop picking on people's spelling and making snide and ridiculing remarks.

Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner.
Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.
16125

ok, you said that my post is full of mistakes, go ahead show me my mistakes and see how I'll respond

You obviously have too much time on your hands.

Regarding mistakes, we need to look no further than your next sentence

" Camel Never see his Humb"

Shumali

I have a couple of questions for reformer?

Did prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) ever got inspired by Satan, to reveal some verses?

Did prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) used to have memory loss?

Thereformer1

peace
I don't understand this sentence at all. Where is the verb? ???

this is a " " we don't need a verb, plus " howa " is " "

If you do something wrong, you are making a mistake.

No, not necessary.

Thereformer1

I have not attacked you. I asked you to please stop picking on people's spelling and making snide and ridiculing remarks.

Yes, you did attack me, and stop bringing verses you don't understand them (an advice)

You obviously have too much time on your hands.
Regarding mistakes, we need to look no further than your next sentence

the proverb is correct " Camel never sees his Humb" , go figure. and it means that people never see their own mistakes yet they are making statements about others

Leyna

this is a " " we don't need a verb, plus " howa " is " "

Could you please clarify the sentence in English? Thanks.

What you wrote does need a verb, the second part of your sentence is incorrect without

you to see what before Huma because Huwa is a Damir ishara.

???

stop bringing verses you don't understand them (an advice)

This is a forum about Islamic issues, and it is a normal part of discussions to quote from the Qur'an. And it is no up to you "advise" anyone which verses they are allowed to post or not.

As for my understanding of the verse -- I don't recall saying anything about its interpretation, so how do you come to the conclusion that I do not understand it?

the proverb is correct " Camel never sees his Humb" , go figure.
and it means that people never see their own mistakes yet they are making statements about others

We were talking about spelling and grammar mistakes, right? Remember the context was that you were repeatedly being asked to stop picking on people's supposed misspellings?

So I did not say the proverb is "not correct". You don't need to explain the meaning, I think that is obvious. )

The whole proverb goes like this, btw.

The camel never sees its own hump, but that of its brother is always before its eyes.

And there is a similar English proverb

The hunchback does not see his own hump, but sees his companion?s.

But anyway, this was about spelling and grammar mistakes. So let's see.

" Camel Never see his Humb"

~ There should be no space between the quotation mark and the letter.

~ You have to either write "a camel" or "the camel", otherwise the sentence would not be grammatically correct.

~ Wrong conjugation. It is not "the camel see", but "the camel sees".

~ The camel is not "he" but "it". So it never sees "its hump", not "his hump".

~ It's "hump", not "humb".

~ The words "never" and "hump" should not be capitalized.

So you made six mistakes in a small sentence of five words. And you ask me to pick apart a whole posting of yours?!

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Ayisha

Assalamu aleikum,

A would chose number 3 too and I'll do whatever you asked my prophet, after all obeying you is obeying God.

and therefore yet another man-god christ is born!

Sirius

and therefore yet another man-god christ is born!

No. You obey the one with more authority than you and seeing as the Prophet (s) would never order that which is not in accordance with Islam, what right do you have to refuse his direct order?

Are you telling me, should you have lived at the time of the Prophet (s) and he had ordered you to do such and such, you would say 'No'?

Ayisha

No. You obey the one with more authority than you and seeing as the Prophet (s) would never order that which is not in accordance with Islam, what right do you have to refuse his direct order?

Are you telling me, should you have lived at the time of the Prophet (s) and he had ordered you to do such and such, you would say 'No'?

No I am not saying that but if it was a religious instruction from Allah that the prophet was instructing me to do then yes i would do it, as its from Allah, but if it was how to wash myself or how to use the toilet I would use my brain and if it was logical and a better way than I myself had thought of I would do it, but not because it was something the prophet had instructed me to do but because it was a logical better way. Not everything the prophet said in his life was from Allah and he has no authority over me in those things.

Thereformer1

I have a couple of questions for reformer?

Yes, with pleasure.

Did prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) ever got inspired by Satan, to reveal some verses?

No, never ..I know this story and it was a fake story fabricated from the ennmies of Islam years ago, the story said that the prophet was receiving inspiration from God and to be specific Surat A-Najm, and when he arrived to a verse, satan whispered him to say the opposite of the verse ( the verse talked about the Idols ). The story is fake because the RAWI all his sayings are from the Daef. And one more thing the prophet God has ordered the angle to remove the chance of Satan from him when he was young, so satan impossible to come and whisper in his ears or in his mind. so the story is totally fake.

Did prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) used to have memory loss?

NO, never.

Mazhar

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Did prophet Mohammad (s.a.w) ever got inspired by Satan, to reveal some verses?

No, never ..I know this story and it was a fake story fabricated from the ennmies of Islam years ago, the story said that the prophet was receiving inspiration from God and to be specific Surat A-Najm, and when he arrived to a verse, satan whispered him to say the opposite of the verse ( the verse talked about the Idols ). The story is fake because the RAWI all his sayings are from the Daef. And one more thing the prophet God has ordered the angle to remove the chance of Satan from him when he was young, so satan impossible to come and whisper in his ears or in his mind. so the story is totally fake.

So you are boldly saying and admitting that Bukhari or people of that sort fabricated such false story. And you are announcing that such people were "Zaalim" since they attributed a false story to the Messenger . Then what is the point in honouring their other stories and words?

Thereformer1

Could you please clarify the sentence in English? Thanks.

No, I can't . as you said "I made full of mistakes" so sorry.

What you wrote does need a verb, the second part of your sentence is incorrect without

you to see what before Huma because Huwa is a Damir ishara.
???

Yes, it's incorrect because of being so fast in typing I forgot "have" , I was trying to say "you have to see what before Huwa..."

This is a forum about Islamic issues, and it is a normal part of discussions to quote from the Qur'an. And it is no up to you "advise" anyone which verses they are allowed to post or not.
As for my understanding of the verse -- I don't recall saying anything about its interpretation, so how do you come to the conclusion that I do not understand it?

the answer is you choose verses offtopic so that's why the most of the verses that you have chose are out of the subject especially you use verses to comment what one said.

So you made six mistakes in a small sentence of five words. And you ask me to pick apart a whole posting of yours?!

I didn't ask you and I didn't force to pick posting of mine.
and thanks for clarifying my six mistakes.

zulu12

This is where we have the problem. A lot of, if not all PM's believe that the Prophet PBUH's sole job was to deliver the message and that's it. And then they use certain ayats to back up their claim, thus going so far as even equating the Prophet PBUH to a postman who just delivers the message/letter/ post etc.

However, what is conveniently missed out from the equation is that in the same Quran, Allah SWT asks the Prophet PBUH to judge between the people and use the Quran as the guide. The Prophet PBUH is asked to be the jury. The Prophet PBUH is asked to deal gently with the followers and consult with them concerning matters of public opinion. The Prophet PBUH is given the right to make all decisions. Now, someone please tell me, which postman delivers the letters and then opens them to explain it's content to the receiver and then makes the decision for the receiver?

If the Prophet PBUH's job was solely the delivery, then why is he asked to do the judging and decision making on the same token?

The Quran tells believers not to make any distinctions between prophets in regards to saying we believe in some but not in the others. Following the way of the Prophet PBUH is not making a distinction as some people have also incorrectly stated. Because if this was the case, then the Quran itself confirms that Allah SWT gave some prophet's more than others, which can be classed as a distinction in line with the deviant interpretation

1755 seeing that thy Sustainer is fully aware of all beings that are in the heavens and on earth. But, indeed, We did endow some of the prophets more highly than others -just as We bestowed upon David a book of divine wisdom

Allah SWT chose the Prophet PBUH above all men similar to when He chose Mary mother of Jesus above all women, to deliver and show/explain the Quran after it was revealed and explained to him by Allah SWT. He came as a mercy, light, warner, bearer of glad tidings for ALL mankind and not just for his nation or his tribe.

21107 And We have sent thee as grace towards all the worlds.

Did not the Prophet PBUH pray? Did not the Prophet PBUH fast? Did not the Prophet PBUH perform pilgrimage? Did not the Prophet PBUH give in charity? Did not the Prophet PBUH marry and have children? Did not the Prophet PBUH distribute wealth? Did not the Prophet PBUH eat what was permissible and not eat what was not permissible? Everything mentioned in the Quran for the believers to do, was performed by the Prophet PBUH during his lifetime, to show us the path so that he can deliver the message in a clear and concise manner.

The Quran took a period of 23 years to be revealed in full. During this time, the Prophet PBUH did not disappear into an unknown planet and only came out of seclusion once an ayat was ready to be revealed. He lived among the people as a father, husband, leader, listener, judge, jury, employee, general, soldier, politician, leader, president, secreatry of state etc etc. An example for all mankind.

The Quran states the following about the Prophet PBUH

681 Nun. By the Pen and the (Record) which (men) write,-
682 Thou art not, by the Grace of thy Lord, mad or possessed.
683 Nay, verily for thee is a Reward unfailing
684 And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character.

Following the Prophet PBUH is an article of faith fully endorsed by Allah SWT

465 But nay, by thy Sustainer! They do not believe unless they make thee a judge of all on which they disagree among themselves, and then find in their hearts no bar to an acceptance of thy decision and give themselves up in utter self-surrender.

Peace

Leyna

the answer is you choose verses offtopic
so that's why the most of the verses that you have chose are out of the subject
especially you use verses to comment what one said.

That verse was not off-topic at all. We were talking about your conduct when discussing faith. The verse says

Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner.

Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

Are you telling me that this is what you are doing here? Are you speaking with wisdom, kindness, respect and genuine interest? No, you are doing the opposite -- ridiculing, attacking, mocking, trying to intimidate people. That's why I reminded you of what the Qur'an says about the issue. I can post more verses about appropriate conduct, if you like. None of them endorses the kind of behaviour and language you display on here.

I didn't ask you

Yes you did

go ahead show me my mistakes and see how I'll respond

Thereformer1

So you are boldly saying and admitting that Bukhari or people of that sort fabricated such false story. And you are announcing that such people were "Zaalim" since they attributed a false story to the Messenger . Then what is the point in honouring their other stories and words?

what are you talking about ? did you read my post very well? there is no relation between Bukhari and what I said.

the story is hadith Daef and the hadith Daef not existed in Sahih Bukhari. so stop blaming this man and insulting him.

the story that Bukhari has mentioned is typically the same story but with a lot of differences the place , the time and the people who were there, and so that the story mentioned that the prophet had said this thing but Bukhari denied that the prophet has said this thing and he came by a correct hadith narrated the root of the story and he was the first who bring a hadith about that >>>authentic hadith about the real story not the fabricated one.

Thereformer1